White supremacist site hacked, illegal activities exposed

[The Jamesian Republic]

You must not have been online during 2020, which is weird, because there was precious little to do that year but go online.

It may have seemed like that to you, but I continued as usual. And, in the short time I spent browsing the web, I saw little condemnation of the violent riots.

I condemn the riots.

[Ifreann]

You must not have been online during 2020, which is weird, because there was precious little to do that year but go online.

It may have seemed like that to you, but I continued as usual. And, in the short time I spent browsing the web,

Sounds like you're ill-positioned to comments on the trends of online conversation at the time, then.

I saw little condemnation of the violent riots.

You missed an awful lot of condemnation. And you seem to have switched quite suddenly from talking about vandalism to talking about violent riots.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Defacing and damaging monuments and memorials seems to be something of a tit for tat territorial power play and war of symbols between activists.

This ^^

[The Jamesian Republic]

Defacing and damaging monuments and memorials seems to be something of a tit for tat territorial power play and war of symbols between activists.

This ^^

Exactly.

[-Azteca Mexico]

How shocking

[Alkmaaria]

I feel like this whole scenario should be taken from a government/law enforcement position: prosecute the bad guys, and be done with it.
If BLM/ANTIFA also do bad stuff, then prosecute them also. This isn't about who commits more/less crimes. If both groups are commiting organized violence, then they are both enemies of the state, and should be dealt with equally (by equally I mean having a fair trial).
If one group is commiting organized violence, then only one group is an enemy of the state.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I don't condone the Nazis here, but it is pathetic that vandalism only becomes bad when it is right-wing extremists doing it. This is just more culture war drivel.

[The Jamesian Republic]

I feel like this whole scenario should be taken from a government/law enforcement position: prosecute the bad guys, and be done with it.
If BLM/ANTIFA also do bad stuff, then prosecute them also. This isn't about who commits more/less crimes. If both groups are commiting organized violence, then they are both enemies of the state, and should be dealt with equally (by equally I mean having a fair trial).
If one group is commiting organized violence, then only one group is an enemy of the state.

I agree with this.

[Dakini]

Totally shocked that white supremacists are terrible people. /s

[United Nations of Gaia]

I don't condone the Nazis here, but it is pathetic that vandalism only becomes bad when it is right-wing extremists doing it. This is just more culture war drivel.

Vandalising the statue of a slaver is the same as vandalising the mural of a man murdered by the police.
Stars I adore both siders.

[CoraSpia]

lmfao people who were defending the activities of blm/Antifa in 2020 are now outraged that other people might use spraypaint as well? You can make a case for vandalism being bad, it's a really easy one to make. Have some consistency though please.

[Ifreann]

I don't condone the Nazis here, but it is pathetic that vandalism only becomes bad when it is right-wing extremists doing it. This is just more culture war drivel.

It's a shame that people are so eager to have such simplistic views on the subject. People just lining up to declare that vandalism is always wrong, no matter what is being vandalised, no matter what the nature of the vandalism, no matter the motives. No thoughts, no nuance, only obey the law.

[CoraSpia]

I don't condone the Nazis here, but it is pathetic that vandalism only becomes bad when it is right-wing extremists doing it. This is just more culture war drivel.

It's a shame that people are so eager to have such simplistic views on the subject. People just lining up to declare that vandalism is always wrong, no matter what is being vandalised, no matter what the nature of the vandalism, no matter the motives. No thoughts, no nuance, only obey the law.

Hey...vandalism on public property is absolutely fine, the government spends its money badly in general so they can afford to pay for that shit. It doesn't matter who does it or why it's being done though.

[United Nations of Gaia]

I don't condone the Nazis here, but it is pathetic that vandalism only becomes bad when it is right-wing extremists doing it. This is just more culture war drivel.

It's a shame that people are so eager to have such simplistic views on the subject. People just lining up to declare that vandalism is always wrong, no matter what is being vandalised, no matter what the nature of the vandalism, no matter the motives. No thoughts, no nuance, only obey the law.

Right wingers are painfully incapable of understanding nuance, they're like robots, it's either 0 or 1.

[Ifreann]

It's a shame that people are so eager to have such simplistic views on the subject. People just lining up to declare that vandalism is always wrong, no matter what is being vandalised, no matter what the nature of the vandalism, no matter the motives. No thoughts, no nuance, only obey the law.

Right wingers are painfully incapable of understanding nuance, they're like robots, it's either 0 or 1.

I think that they're perfectly capable of understanding nuance, I think they're just choosing not to. It suits them in this case, lets them shift the topic of conversation away from the white supremacists.

[Galloism]

Well, plotting to commit vandalism must be some kind of crime, so... let's figure out what it is and prosecute it.

[Neutraligon]

Well, plotting to commit vandalism must be some kind of crime, so... let's figure out what it is and prosecute it.

Looks like it wasn't just plotting. From my understanding, they actually did vandalize. Also, since instructions were given, would that also count as conspiracy if vandalism is a crime?

[Galloism]

Well, plotting to commit vandalism must be some kind of crime, so... let's figure out what it is and prosecute it.

Looks like it wasn't just plotting. From my understanding, they actually did vandalize. Also, since instructions were given, would that also count as conspiracy if vandalism is a crime?

Might depend on the state. I'm not sure.

[Disgraces]

[Galloism]

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Just spoiler it.

Tbh, I was surprised.

They uncovered some minor vandalism. That's the big reveal. I would have expected far worse.

[CoraSpia]

Just spoiler it.

Tbh, I was surprised.

They uncovered some minor vandalism. That's the big reveal. I would have expected far worse.

This basically boils down to 'Political activist group does shit political activists have been doing for hundreds of years.'

[The Reformed American Republic]

I don't condone the Nazis here, but it is pathetic that vandalism only becomes bad when it is right-wing extremists doing it. This is just more culture war drivel.

It's a shame that people are so eager to have such simplistic views on the subject. People just lining up to declare that vandalism is always wrong, no matter what is being vandalised, no matter what the nature of the vandalism, no matter the motives. No thoughts, no nuance, only obey the law.

No, you're strawmanning me. I am not in favor of blindly following the law 100% of the time. I'm saying tearing down a statue of George Floyd isn't worse than destroying a statue of Washington. Your ideology or position on the culture war is not added nuance. They're both bad. When I looked at this thread, I expected plots against people's life or something along those lines, not vandalism that simply won't be "tolerated" due to culture war positions.

[Ifreann]

Yeah, but because it's right-wingers, it needs to be treated as if they had been found engaging in conspiracy to commit genocide.

Of course, that's not actually how anyone is reacting to this story. But a wildly extreme response would suit you, so let's just pretend it's happening.

[The Reformed American Republic]

It's a shame that people are so eager to have such simplistic views on the subject. People just lining up to declare that vandalism is always wrong, no matter what is being vandalised, no matter what the nature of the vandalism, no matter the motives. No thoughts, no nuance, only obey the law.

Right wingers are painfully incapable of understanding nuance, they're like robots, it's either 0 or 1.

1. I'm not right wing.
2. That post can equally apply to you. Leftists like you also don't get nuance and also act like robots following a script.

Code: Select all

If statue a person I like = true,
Vandalism, horrible crime,

If statue a person I like = false,
Justified, not a crime

That is not nuance. That's just seeking selective enforcement of the law based merely on your culture war positions, which to me is not sufficient to warrant a significant difference in how both cases are treated. That does not mean I blindly follow the law either, just that I have the nuance to know that following and enforcing anti-vandalism laws equally is not the same as enforcing the Dred Scott decision or segregation laws, or something along those lines.

[CoraSpia]

Yeah, but because it's right-wingers, it needs to be treated as if they had been found engaging in conspiracy to commit genocide.

Of course, that's not actually how anyone is reacting to this story. But a wildly extreme response would suit you, so let's just pretend it's happening.

Would suit a new member without posting history? Unless ofc you are completely certain this is a puppet and whose puppet it is.