Capitalism Forever?

[Armeattla]

There is only one option: Hit that button! One time for every person dead and one time for every person living!

Millions are dying each year because profit goes over human lives. It does not matter how many perish in the turmoil of change. The chances that we end up with less dead than permanent capitalism are unquestionable.

[Engadine Mcdonalds 1997]

The amount of people going "But what if it leads to Fascism?!" is disturbing to say the least. Fascism, by design, is the mergence of the political and corporate state, where the state performs everything it can to protect capital. This could be seen in Nazi Germany (as the best example for this point), where the Nazi's eviscerated the unions that the working class had previously and replaced them with faux 'unions' that did nothing but perpetrate the Nazi ideology. Poverty rates remained the same despite more people working in the factories. Why? Because the Nazis slashed the minimum wages and, as previously stated, gutted the unions, and then empowered the private sector to a ridiculous degree, to the point that a word that was in little use was mass popularised and is still used to this day- Privatisation.

So pressing the button would result in a flurry of different socialist/communist movements across the globe, and honestly it sounds pretty nifty

[Forensic Reality]

Two billion people around the world plunged into poverty almost overnight.
Half of those would starve. Half of who do not starve, die in the carnival of atrocity authoritarian socialism breeds like vicious pit bulls.

I am not a Malthusian death cultist cosplaying as a communist, so no, I will not push the button.

[Disgraces]

Please let it be social democracy and not some kind of socialism
[Presses the button]

[-Astoria-]

Please let it be social democracy and not some kind of socialism
[Presses the button]

¿Por qué no los dos?

[Infected Mushroom]

If capitalism is this unpopular according to the polls, how come it’s the dominant global ideology?

[Kerwa]

If capitalism is this unpopular according to the polls, how come it’s the dominant global ideology?

For the same reasons you can never stamp out prostitution, it’s just the way of things. Even prisons have internal markets.

[Tinhampton]

Most certainly not; I like having money!

If capitalism is this unpopular according to the polls, how come it’s the dominant global ideology?

Because NationStates is not a representative cross-section of the entire global community.

[Keemstar]

Depends on what it would be replaced with. Fascism and communism are instant no so as socialism because I want free markets and competition. I want capitalism but a limited form of it. I want better anti-trust laws and to break monopolies or close to monopolies up into different companies. I want there to be competition and innovation in the markets.


Also, I do not want to hear any of that wasn't real Karl Marx's view that's what everyone says and how many more people die to achieve ¨real communism¨ its a neverending sacrificial altar for utopianism. Don't base your entire ideology on utopian theory crafting. Yes, capitalism has flaws but it's the best thing we have.

[PhilTech]

If capitalism is this unpopular according to the polls, how come it’s the dominant global ideology?

(hasty generalization incoming)

I think modern societies (for it to function properly) are more inclined to capitalist ideals. Some theorize that hundred years from now, societies might incline more to socialist/communist ideals.

In the first place, this game exist because of capitalism.

[Cannonio]

Please consider the following hypothetical:

There is a one-time button you can press, it expires in 24 hours. If you press it, capitalism in the entire world will be overthrown in a timeline ranging from a few months to a whole decades; a new political ideology and economic system will take over. You don’t know how (violently or peacefully), you don’t know how fast, you don’t know how many will die, you don’t know what ideology or system will replace it, you don’t know whether the alternative will work or not.

If you don’t press the button though, then capitalism will be fated to NEVER be overthrown in the entire world. We will have capitalism until the end of human civilization, whenever that is. No matter what systemic pressures emerge, no matter how unsustainable or unworkable it may become, somehow the global capitalist elite will keep holding on to power and keep it running. A permanent world of consumerism, exploitation of labour, profiteering, stock markets, corporations etc…

Do you press the button? Why?

It’s a hard one but I would probably press it. Capitalism is probably not the end stage of political/economic evolution and freezing us there in the alternative would be a mistake. At the same time, I am a bit concerned about what chaos could be unleashed but it may be a necessary risk.

I would press it, and hope for a leaniant monarchy and a sort of noncapitalist free market for political and economic respectively.

[The free romanians]

Please consider the following hypothetical:

There is a one-time button you can press, it expires in 24 hours. If you press it, capitalism in the entire world will be overthrown in a timeline ranging from a few months to a whole decades; a new political ideology and economic system will take over. You don’t know how (violently or peacefully), you don’t know how fast, you don’t know how many will die, you don’t know what ideology or system will replace it, you don’t know whether the alternative will work or not.

If you don’t press the button though, then capitalism will be fated to NEVER be overthrown in the entire world. We will have capitalism until the end of human civilization, whenever that is. No matter what systemic pressures emerge, no matter how unsustainable or unworkable it may become, somehow the global capitalist elite will keep holding on to power and keep it running. A permanent world of consumerism, exploitation of labour, profiteering, stock markets, corporations etc…

Do you press the button? Why?

It’s a hard one but I would probably press it. Capitalism is probably not the end stage of political/economic evolution and freezing us there in the alternative would be a mistake. At the same time, I am a bit concerned about what chaos could be unleashed but it may be a necessary risk.

I would press it, and hope for a leaniant monarchy and a sort of noncapitalist free market for political and economic respectively.

So distribuism and market socialism?

[Cannonio]

I would press it, and hope for a leaniant monarchy and a sort of noncapitalist free market for political and economic respectively.

So distribuism and market socialism?

I thought distribuism was a economic system, not a political one.

[Kilobugya]

Capitalism is destroying our planet, so it's a choice between a certain doom if we keep it, and a chance of something better (but also of another form of doom). No hesitation to me.

[The Holy Therns]

Push the button, Frank.

[Libertarianists States]

Eu só apertei o botão se fosse o comunismo/socialismo

[The Military State of the Galapagos]

Where is the button, so I can wait out the next 24 hours with it protecting it from communists

[HISPIDA]

The amount of people going "But what if it leads to Fascism?!" is disturbing to say the least. Fascism, by design, is the mergence of the political and corporate state, where the state performs everything it can to protect capital. This could be seen in Nazi Germany (as the best example for this point), where the Nazi's eviscerated the unions that the working class had previously and replaced them with faux 'unions' that did nothing but perpetrate the Nazi ideology. Poverty rates remained the same despite more people working in the factories. Why? Because the Nazis slashed the minimum wages and, as previously stated, gutted the unions, and then empowered the private sector to a ridiculous degree, to the point that a word that was in little use was mass popularised and is still used to this day- Privatisation.

So pressing the button would result in a flurry of different socialist/communist movements across the globe, and honestly it sounds pretty nifty

i'll go more into this when i get home but this is wrong

fascism is inherently an anti-capitalist ideology

[-Astoria-]

Where is the button, so I can wait out the next 24 hours with it protecting it from communists

Why specifically for a day? Are you going to stop defending it afterwards?

If that is so, then why would you want to protect it if it will get pressed anyway?

[Duvniask]

why in the world would you not press it

the only bad thing that can happen is if the new system is like, fascism or something
or God forbid trotskyism

Stop calling yourself a communist if you're incapable of recognizing that fascism is just the reign of capital re-organized under heavy-handed state rule. You conflate capitalism's different appearances with a "new system", precisely because you have zero theoretical knowledge.

The amount of people going "But what if it leads to Fascism?!" is disturbing to say the least. Fascism, by design, is the mergence of the political and corporate state, where the state performs everything it can to protect capital. This could be seen in Nazi Germany (as the best example for this point), where the Nazi's eviscerated the unions that the working class had previously and replaced them with faux 'unions' that did nothing but perpetrate the Nazi ideology. Poverty rates remained the same despite more people working in the factories. Why? Because the Nazis slashed the minimum wages and, as previously stated, gutted the unions, and then empowered the private sector to a ridiculous degree, to the point that a word that was in little use was mass popularised and is still used to this day- Privatisation.

So pressing the button would result in a flurry of different socialist/communist movements across the globe, and honestly it sounds pretty nifty

i'll go more into this when i get home but this is wrong

fascism is inherently an anti-capitalist ideology

How is it you manage to be so consistently wrong?

You're taking fascism on its word, not thinking about what its actual function is, which the other person has exactly right; it's the reign of capital re-coated.

[FNU]

While I understand the appeals that come with booting modern capitalism, the tendencies I've seen of the economic structures that replace it tend to be rather pseudo-capitalist or completely worthless. A nation with an economy and corruption issues is better then one with no economy and no corruption issues. Then again, I'm and Ohioan. Glory to Rockefeller.

[Duvniask]

I would press it, and hope for a leaniant monarchy and a sort of noncapitalist free market for political and economic respectively.

So distribuism and market socialism?

So capitalism, in other words.

It never ceases to amaze how people on the internet discuss such distinctions-without-difference and act like they've reinvented the wheel.

[Ifreann]

Pushing buttons is fun and capitalism is bad.

[The Holy Therns]

Pushing buttons is fun and capitalism is bad.

but fascism

[Ifreann]

Pushing buttons is fun and capitalism is bad.

but fascism

Yes, that is a bad thing about capitalism.