Forcing employees to have microchips under the skin.

[Esternial]

No, we've been able to have metal in people's bodies for, like, millennia.

Like I said, it may be in there after surgery- but if the body ever notices that it doesn't belong there, that it'll just be covered up in macrophages and scar tissue will form at the site. The human body doesn't cooperate with a great many alterations. The best materials to use biologically match the individual somehow, like if it's 3D printed with their DNA. It's why organs aren't just interchangeable between people. It's not as simple as treating the body and it's many complex systems like a Lego set.

An organ that interfaces with the body vs. a relatively simple subdermal implant (or a mechanical substitute/prosthetic) are incredibly different things.

Which is why there's no such thing as a "hip donor" when someone needs a hip replacement.

EDIT: Apparently there is, though I was getting at the fact that inorganic prosthetics are commonplace and less potentially problematic than an organ replacement.

[Ifreann]

No, we've been able to have metal in people's bodies for, like, millennia.

Like I said, it may be in there after surgery-

Have you never heard of piercings?

but if the body ever notices that it doesn't belong there, that it'll just be covered up in macrophages and scar tissue will form at the site. The human body doesn't cooperate with a great many alterations.

Pacemakers. Pins in bones. Replacement joints.

The best materials to use biologically match the individual somehow, like if it's 3D printed with their DNA.

Utter gibberish.

It's why organs aren't just interchangeable between people. It's not as simple as treating the body and it's many complex systems like a Lego set.

We're not talking about organs, we're talking about the same shit we use to chip pets. We don't need magical future tech for this to work.

[Imperial States of Duotona]

So you're telling me this wasn't illegal before?

Excuse me, what?

[Chessmistress]

I'm assuming GDPR makes the threat of a "microchip mandate" a non-issue in Europe.

You're probably assuming it wrong.
Sweden is likely to become, in the next future, the first country to have widespread "microchip mandate" in workplaces:
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/lifest ... -v7e671e87

But that's just speculation, we can't be sure what's gonna happening.

[Chessmistress]

So you're telling me this wasn't illegal before?

Excuse me, what?

In most Europe is technically likely to not be illegal, the main condition is an agreement between the employer and the trade unions, it's unlikely but not impossible that the trade unions will sign such agreement: if the trade unions signs then the employee is done.

[Ifreann]

So you're telling me this wasn't illegal before?

Excuse me, what?

Why would this very specific thing have been made illegal before now?

[Ethel mermania]

I think that focussing specifically on implanted monitoring technology is a mistake. Wearable devices can turn a workplace into something like a panopticon just as much as implanted devices.

Or your phone with location monitoring on.

[American Legionaries]

I think that focussing specifically on implanted monitoring technology is a mistake. Wearable devices can turn a workplace into something like a panopticon just as much as implanted devices.

Yes, until you stop wearing them.

[Ifreann]

I think that focussing specifically on implanted monitoring technology is a mistake. Wearable devices can turn a workplace into something like a panopticon just as much as implanted devices.

Yes, until you stop wearing them.

That the workday eventually ends does not justify abuse of workers.

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I'm all for preemptive laws against this dystopian bullshit and I hope they roll back the already existing dystopian bullshit too.

[Arcturus Novus]

Fuck them chips.

Workers already give enough to their employers, I'm not letting anyone track me like I'm a feral cat.

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My friend has to wear a tracker at his warehouse job. His employers say it is exclusively used for covid contact tracing and nothing else. Press X to doubt.

[Saiwania]

Or your phone with location monitoring on.

Plenty of software apps for Android need the location permission in order to work properly. In practice there is no explanation why and its either give that program the permissions it wants/needs or not having it work as intended. Its a problem.

[Arpasia]

I don't feel comfortable at the thought of having a microchip being surgically attached to my flesh at all

[Esternial]

I'm assuming GDPR makes the threat of a "microchip mandate" a non-issue in Europe.

You're probably assuming it wrong.
Sweden is likely to become, in the next future, the first country to have widespread "microchip mandate" in workplaces:
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/lifest ... -v7e671e87

But that's just speculation, we can't be sure what's gonna happening.

There's a big difference between mandating it and offering it as an opt-in alternative to a printed or app-based solution.

While I'd agree that GDPR legislation is quite vague when you apply it to microchips, it does already put forward some limitations. It requires consent to be freely given, which isn't possible in an employment context where the data subject cannot refuse without detriment. I think it would be difficult for an employer to meet all the criteria (not only consent, but also e.g. legitimate interest) from GDPR when they want to microchip their employees. It would take great effort to ensure this measure is not disproportionate and that the appropriate measures are in place to safeguard their employees GDPR-derived (and human) rights.

That said, I wouldn't say additional legislation that is complementary to GDPR is a bad idea. GDPR is rather vague, and it would be useful to have more clear laws and guidelines.

[Chessmistress]

Or your phone with location monitoring on.

Plenty of software apps for Android need the location permission in order to work properly. In practice there is no explanation why and its either give that program the permissions it wants/needs or not having it work as intended. Its a problem.

Really?
I have a phone with Android-derived OS (100% compatible with all Android apps), with plenty apps installed, and all those apps work fine.
My phone have the GPS off.

[Chessmistress]

You're probably assuming it wrong.
Sweden is likely to become, in the next future, the first country to have widespread "microchip mandate" in workplaces:
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/lifest ... -v7e671e87

But that's just speculation, we can't be sure what's gonna happening.

There's a big difference between mandating it and offering it as an opt-in alternative to a printed or app-based solution.

While I'd agree that GDPR legislation is quite vague when you apply it to microchips, it does already put forward some limitations. It requires consent to be freely given, which isn't possible in an employment context where the data subject cannot refuse without detriment. I think it would be difficult for an employer to meet all the criteria (not only consent, but also e.g. legitimate interest) from GDPR when they want to microchip their employees. It would take great effort to ensure this measure is not disproportionate and that the appropriate measures are in place to safeguard their employees GDPR-derived (and human) rights.

That said, I wouldn't say additional legislation that is complementary to GDPR is a bad idea. GDPR is rather vague, and it would be useful to have more clear laws and guidelines.

There's a big difference just only as long as printed and app-based alternatives are available for free.

[Esternial]

There's a big difference between mandating it and offering it as an opt-in alternative to a printed or app-based solution.

While I'd agree that GDPR legislation is quite vague when you apply it to microchips, it does already put forward some limitations. It requires consent to be freely given, which isn't possible in an employment context where the data subject cannot refuse without detriment. I think it would be difficult for an employer to meet all the criteria (not only consent, but also e.g. legitimate interest) from GDPR when they want to microchip their employees. It would take great effort to ensure this measure is not disproportionate and that the appropriate measures are in place to safeguard their employees GDPR-derived (and human) rights.

That said, I wouldn't say additional legislation that is complementary to GDPR is a bad idea. GDPR is rather vague, and it would be useful to have more clear laws and guidelines.

There's a big difference just only as long as printed and app-based alternatives are available for free.

Well, yes. I haven't seen an instance where it's not, assuming you're not including cost for the ink in your printer and the electricity to run it.

What exactly are you suggesting?

[Window Land]

Plenty of software apps for Android need the location permission in order to work properly. In practice there is no explanation why and its either give that program the permissions it wants/needs or not having it work as intended. Its a problem.

Really?
I have a phone with Android-derived OS (100% compatible with all Android apps), with plenty apps installed, and all those apps work fine.
My phone have the GPS off.

You can get location from more than just GPS, information from wireless networks can often times get you sorta close, using a VPN with a location in a different country can do things like avoid regionally blocked content, and change the language of your google search results.

[-Astoria-]

Really?
I have a phone with Android-derived OS (100% compatible with all Android apps), with plenty apps installed, and all those apps work fine.
My phone have the GPS off.

You can get location from more than just GPS, information from wireless networks can often times get you sorta close, using a VPN with a location in a different country can do things like avoid regionally blocked content, and change the language of your google search results.

You can manually change the language of the search results without a VPN, if I recall correctly.

[Ethel mermania]

You can get location from more than just GPS, information from wireless networks can often times get you sorta close, using a VPN with a location in a different country can do things like avoid regionally blocked content, and change the language of your google search results.

You can manually change the language of the search results without a VPN, if I recall correctly.

If a cell phone is on, it can be located GPS or not. It is part of the E911 regulations in the states. E112 is the European equivalent

[Window Land]

You can get location from more than just GPS, information from wireless networks can often times get you sorta close, using a VPN with a location in a different country can do things like avoid regionally blocked content, and change the language of your google search results.

You can manually change the language of the search results without a VPN, if I recall correctly.

Yes, you can, but if say your VPN's endpoint is in Portugal google's going to treat your search like you're from Portugal irregardless of your language. Google's location-based localization is pretty sophisticated, and it will do other things like pull local and national news from where it thinks you are in Portugal.

[The Black Forrest]

Plenty of software apps for Android need the location permission in order to work properly. In practice there is no explanation why and its either give that program the permissions it wants/needs or not having it work as intended. Its a problem.

Really?
I have a phone with Android-derived OS (100% compatible with all Android apps), with plenty apps installed, and all those apps work fine.
My phone have the GPS off.

Well smart phones are not that simple. Even if you turn it off gps can still work. Some things to consider:

Do you disable Wi-Fi and Bluetooth when not needed?
Do you check the privacy settings of apps? In particular those apps which use location services…restaurants, maps, fitness apps, apps which help find the phone.
Do you limit ad tracking?
Do you disable location data usage for browsers?

Basically; there are many ways to track and you can limit the tracking. The only real way to not be tracked is to ditch the phone.

[American Legionaries]

Yes, until you stop wearing them.

That the workday eventually ends does not justify abuse of workers.

I didn't say it did.

[Chessmistress]

There's a big difference just only as long as printed and app-based alternatives are available for free.

Well, yes. I haven't seen an instance where it's not, assuming you're not including cost for the ink in your printer and the electricity to run it.

What exactly are you suggesting?

I'm suggesting that printed and app-based alternatives are readily available just only as long is a government thing mean to fight a pandemic, but those alternatives are likely to disappear or to be made hard to get in another context - i.e. an employer requiring something from the employees.