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How would you contribute to the fighting?

Greek infantry
5
10%
Greek armor and land battle vehicles
4
8%
Greek artillery
5
10%
Greek special forces/snipers
8
16%
Greek jet fighter pilot
9
18%
Greek attack helicopter
3
6%
Greek surface warship/capital ship
7
14%
Greek submarine
8
16%
 
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Postby Kannap » Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:50 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The Soviet military during WW2 at its peak had roughly 20 million troops. Modern day Greece has 10 million people. And this is just the Soviets. Throw in the other 11 nations and Greece is fucked, hope you like genocide


But we have 21st century weapons and tech


Who would win: One modern assault rifle or 100 shooty bois from 1937
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:08 am

Kannap wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
But we have 21st century weapons and tech


Who would win: One modern assault rifle or 100 shooty bois from 1937


The person with the modern assault rifle could get a respectable kill-death-ratio but he would probably get taken down after a while.

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Postby Spirit of the Communists » Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:12 am

I think attack helicopters and modern fighter jets would be able to inflict serious damage on any forces. All a fighter jet has to do is fly high enough that the modern fighter jets can't reach them, and then start bombing I guess.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:13 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Who would win: One modern assault rifle or 100 shooty bois from 1937


The person with the modern assault rifle could get a respectable kill-death-ratio but he would probably get taken down after a while.

War is not a video game where the AI shooters expose themselves to enemy fire for no good reason.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:26 am

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Kannap wrote:
Who would win: One modern assault rifle or 100 shooty bois from 1937


The person with the modern assault rifle could get a respectable kill-death-ratio but he would probably get taken down after a while.


Why do you insist on talking about war like its a video game? There's no "kill-death ratio" in reality. it doesn't take 50 bullets to take down a guy in a PvP match. This is war, it's terrifying, deadly, and you hope you never have to be in the middle of one. There's nothing glorifying about it, no fun statistics you get to see on a leaderboard representing your performance when it's over, it's not a game. If you die, then you die, and there was nothing noble or glorious about it, you gave your one life in this universe because some rich fucks in a corporate tower somewhere wanted to profit off of selling more guns or lowering the price of oil or something.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:28 am

Spirit of the Communists wrote:I think attack helicopters and modern fighter jets would be able to inflict serious damage on any forces. All a fighter jet has to do is fly high enough that the modern fighter jets can't reach them, and then start bombing I guess.


As aforementioned, the modern tech would be able to inflict serious damage for a bit. When it runs out of ammunition or fuel? Then its a useless decoration.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:28 am

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
They do have 2022 tech. Except for the USA (would be too unbalanced).

I clarified in the OP. You make good points.

Firstly Yugoslavia doesn’t exist.

Secondly. China nukes Tokyo, Berlin, Moscow, London, Paris, etc.

And if you’re going to try and bs me on nukes then the PLA will steamroll Japan, the Soviets, and just about anyone else who comes at them.


*googles PLA* I'd like to see the Public Library Association pull this off
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Postby Kannap » Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:29 am

Ethel mermania wrote:If the Greeks have an unlimited supply of spare parts, mentions, and gas. The greeks, f-16 's and f-4's make short work Europeans.

Drones flying ahead of modern battle tanks, against panzer type 2's?


My understanding of the OP is we're placing modern day Greece in the middle of WW2 and setting all sides onto them. In this understanding, Greece doesn't have unlimited supplies or weapons - just the quantities modern Greece has. Their weapons would kill lots of enemies, certainly, but when those weapons run out they'll be overrun easily.

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Hammer Britannia wrote:The only way Greece would last more than a week in this scenario is if Zeus himself came down from his home in Mount Olympus to fuck shit up. If it was modern Greece vs, say, the Ancient World? Maybe. But not every WW2 nation except the United States.

Therefore, I choose not to fight directly and instead become a priest. Because Divine Intervention is the only way Greece would survive.


Good idea, maybe I should edit in some Greek gods. I'll think on it.


Leave it to you to only think of ways to make a shitty hypothetical even shittier.

Infected Mushroom wrote:The following countries are now allies to Greece (to make it more fair):

Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania, Albania, Yugoslavia, Poland, Hungary, China, United States of America


Please carry on.


Turkey: Germany didn't invade Turkey primarily because they needed to focus on the Soviet Union and didn't need to open another front in the war. If Turkey is on the side of Greece against the Allies and the Axis both, it's going to be easily invaded from all sides.

Yugoslavia and Hungary: Both were invaded and occupied by Germany in WW2, add in extra enemies and their doom is sealed likewise.

Albania: Conquered by Italy. Fucking Italy

Bulgaria: Would've been invaded by Germany if it didn't join the Axis to prevent it, they're probably boned if they choose not to join the Axis.

Romania: Allied itself with Germany to prevent an invasion and was invaded anyway lol

China: China gets invaded by Japan as normal but now has fronts open to their south (British India and other British + French possessions in southeast Asia) and the north (Soviet Union), you've surrounded them.

United States: Pearl Harbor but make it two years earlier, maybe even the Japanese conquer the Hawaii Islands before launching an invasion of the west coast. British and French soldiers could stage in Canada and invade southward. At this point in time, the Japanese and British navies are both stronger than the U.S. navy - which is kinda obsolete and doesn't start undergoing modernization + ramping up production of new ships until about the time France is invaded and occupied IRL.

The only way the United States was able to land soldiers in Europe to fight was by using Britain as a launch point. With us losing Britain as an ally, how are we going to launch a naval invasion from across the entire Atlantic Ocean?
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:31 am

Kannap wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
But we have 21st century weapons and tech


Who would win: One modern assault rifle or 100 shooty bois from 1937

Surely war is like a video game, and higher tech weapons just have higher damage values.

ETA: This comment would have been funnier if it had come before the OP basically sincerely said the same thing.
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Postby Bloodstained Castle » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:00 am

Bloodstained Castle wrote:Why Greece to begin with?

This question, I don't think, has been answered.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:08 am

Bloodstained Castle wrote:
Bloodstained Castle wrote:Why Greece to begin with?

This question, I don't think, has been answered.


I like Greek myths.

I went to Greece many years and it was a very beautiful place. The mountains could give the defenders a big advantage. Also, Greece having so many islands would seem to encourage combat from all branches (air, land, and sea), giving everyone something to do in the campaigns.

I was debating between choosing Greece or Italy.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:09 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Who would win: One modern assault rifle or 100 shooty bois from 1937


The person with the modern assault rifle could get a respectable kill-death-ratio but he would probably get taken down after a while.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:09 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
The person with the modern assault rifle could get a respectable kill-death-ratio but he would probably get taken down after a while.

Say what?!


The soldier with the modern rifle could take down more than one target before he himself is taken down.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:12 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Say what?!


The soldier with the modern rifle could take down more than one target before he himself is taken down.

No Just no. Like everyone else already said. War isn’t a video game
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:13 am

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Bloodstained Castle wrote:This question, I don't think, has been answered.


I like Greek myths.

I went to Greece many years and it was a very beautiful place. The mountains could give the defenders a big advantage. Also, Greece having so many islands would seem to encourage combat from all branches (air, land, and sea), giving everyone something to do in the campaigns.

I was debating between choosing Greece or Italy.

You like Greece, therefore you enjoy imagining Greeks being slaughtered in the millions by the inexplicably combined forces of many other nations.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:18 am

Ifreann wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I like Greek myths.

I went to Greece many years and it was a very beautiful place. The mountains could give the defenders a big advantage. Also, Greece having so many islands would seem to encourage combat from all branches (air, land, and sea), giving everyone something to do in the campaigns.

I was debating between choosing Greece or Italy.

You like Greece, therefore you enjoy imagining Greeks being slaughtered in the millions by the inexplicably combined forces of many other nations.


They have allies in the scenario, also reasonably well-armed and some with modern tech. I edited the scenario to give them a good chance in response to constructive feedback from the posters.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:19 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
The soldier with the modern rifle could take down more than one target before he himself is taken down.

No Just no. Like everyone else already said. War isn’t a video game


Do the Greek modern assault rifles outrage WWII guns?

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Postby Kannap » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:28 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Say what?!


The soldier with the modern rifle could take down more than one target before he himself is taken down.


Maybe, maybe not. War isn't a video game. You don't just get to run out like it's Call of Duty and take 20 bullets before running to cover and finding a health pack that regenerates your health. It doesn't matter how good your gun is when somebody else gets a shot on you. A bullet is a bullet.
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Postby Free Ravensburg » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:28 am

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Thermodolia wrote:No Just no. Like everyone else already said. War isn’t a video game


Do the Greek modern assault rifles outrage WWII guns?

No, all that really changed were the optics and the caliber. But don’t take my words for granted.

It really depends on the person using the gun as well. I cant even aim that good. (Well, with a gun, at least, a bow, pretty good in the 10 meter range (unrealistic, i know))
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:31 am

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Ifreann wrote:You like Greece, therefore you enjoy imagining Greeks being slaughtered in the millions by the inexplicably combined forces of many other nations.


They have allies in the scenario, also reasonably well-armed and some with modern tech. I edited the scenario to give them a good chance in response to constructive feedback from the posters.

Greeks are still going to be dying in huge numbers. Massive armies are bearing down on them for no reason, that is a horrifying situation to be in.

What is even the point of this thread?


Infected Mushroom wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:No Just no. Like everyone else already said. War isn’t a video game


Do the Greek modern assault rifles outrage WWII guns?

Look it up yourself, it isn't hard.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:00 am

All the nations in question probably have wikipedia articles about the small arms they use either today or during WWII, all those guns probably have wikipedia articles that would list an effective range, among other easily quantifiable features. You could just learn to use the internet to answer these questions and you wouldn't need to involve all of us in these little fantasies.
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Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:05 am

Kannap wrote:-snip-

There was this lovely quote from a video game. I don’t have it handy at the moment so I might have gotten the exact wording wrong, but:

”The managers often talked about the view from 30,000 feet. The problem with that is that from 30,000 feet all the people look like ants.”

There are people in armies who are greatly concerned about things like how ‘effective’ the soldiers are at killing the enemy, but it is my understanding that the common soldiers themselves don’t tend to be such people.
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I want to join the operation with the banner of no to war, yes to sex.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:23 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:I want to join the operation with the banner of no to war, yes to sex.

I bet that'll deter the Wehrmacht.
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