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Postby Deblar » Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:25 pm

Free Algerstonia wrote:I can only support the nationalization of housing if I'm in control because then I can sell the houses at ridiculously overpriced prices with literally zero competition and become the richest person on the planet

Bro you just posted cringe, you are going to lose subscriber

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Postby Free Algerstonia » Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:26 pm

Deblar wrote:
Free Algerstonia wrote:I can only support the nationalization of housing if I'm in control because then I can sell the houses at ridiculously overpriced prices with literally zero competition and become the richest person on the planet

Bro you just posted cringe, you are going to lose subscriber

I'll just buy them back with all the money I make from my housing monopoly
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Postby Free Ravensburg » Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:49 pm

Free Algerstonia wrote:
Deblar wrote:Bro you just posted cringe, you are going to lose subscriber

I'll just buy them back with all the money I make from my housing monopoly

You forget people can build houses.
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Postby The Snazzylands » Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:18 pm

Free Algerstonia wrote:I can only support the nationalization of housing if I'm in control because then I can sell the houses at ridiculously overpriced prices with literally zero competition and become the richest person on the planet

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Postby Terruana » Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:19 pm

GuessTheAltAccount wrote:https://ne-np.facebook.com/TheYoungTurks/videos/what-its-like-to-rent-from-a-corporate-landlord/1110337736128701/

(Yes, I know it's TYT, doesn't make it any less true. Also, can't find the original video anymore so I had to settle for a reupload.)

So the problems with the wealthy screwing over renters in the USA are getting worse and worse. Ana advocates for stopping private equity firms from buying up housing. I'd go further than that and say that if these are the results capitalism produces, it's time for capitalism to no longer have any role whatsoever in the housing market. It's time for housing to be nationalized. No more of this "muh economic freedumz" crap. They didn't accept that during coronavirus lockdowns, nor should they have. Time for society to take the lesson it learned from that and apply it here as well.


Yes to the extent that there should be adequate nationalised safety netting to ensure nobody should ever be homeless or forced into unsuitable housing.

Id also advocate against private landlords being able to own more than 1 rental property at a time, and add a lot of extra restrictions protecting private tenants rights.

Businesses based on renting out properties en masse also require far more oversight.
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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:09 am

What's "housing", though?

If I build a house in the middle of rural somewhere, will I be arrested and go to jail? Or will a government agent park at the front, wait until the house's construction is finished, point a gun at my face and seize the property?

Do the national (or federal) government pay for all of my housing maintenance? Plumbing? Wifi? Furnitures and TV? What if I want to put a golden chandelier in my living room, do they pay for it? Am I even allowed to? What if I want to add another garage? Or a third story? Or a small grocery store? Or a smaller new house adjacent to the current house? Can I rent out said adjacent house to other people? Is there a faceless bureaucrat I have to beg for permission before I can do any of those?

Housing, no. Land, sure, like Singapore's leasing system. Or of it's too radical, just simple LVT.

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Postby Kerwa » Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:51 am

Resilient Acceleration wrote:
Housing, no. Land, sure, like Singapore's leasing system. Or of it's too radical, just simple LVT.


Nobody actually “owns” land in the US (maybe a few people a little bit in Nevada and Texas).

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Postby Balkannia » Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:22 am

We have to be realistic, some people will never earn enough for housing, its the way it is, bad luck or something, eco-refugees, regional economic crisis, so the government must have - if not ministry of housing - then atleast government housing agency. The government should provide basic housing to those people.

It is the best of both worlds. The capitalists can't complain it will destroy housing market and discourage people to own homes, and communists must be happy because there are no more homeless people.

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Postby Free Algerstonia » Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:55 am

Free Ravensburg wrote:
Free Algerstonia wrote:I'll just buy them back with all the money I make from my housing monopoly

You forget people can build houses.

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Postby Ascendant Yugoslavia » Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:59 am

No, we should not nationalize housing. It would result in egregious violation of private property rights and probably wind up horribly mismanaged by central government. We should regulate pricing and avoid predatory marketing, but no central control over all housing should be allowed.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:01 am

Ascendant Yugoslavia wrote:No, we should not nationalize housing. It would result in egregious violation of private property rights and probably wind up horribly mismanaged by central government. We should regulate pricing and avoid predatory marketing, but no central control over all housing should be allowed.

Doesn't regulating pricing also violate private property rights?
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Postby Provisional America » Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:03 am

Partially, yes. I would nationalize to prevent gentrification and demolition, but not for everything.
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Postby Touseyland » Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:06 am

Housing should be nationalized in the basic sense but people should be allowed to buy a second or nicer house

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Postby Agend » Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:39 am

Resilient Acceleration wrote:What's "housing", though?

If I build a house in the middle of rural somewhere, will I be arrested and go to jail? Or will a government agent park at the front, wait until the house's construction is finished, point a gun at my face and seize the property?

Do the national (or federal) government pay for all of my housing maintenance? Plumbing? Wifi? Furnitures and TV? What if I want to put a golden chandelier in my living room, do they pay for it? Am I even allowed to? What if I want to add another garage? Or a third story? Or a small grocery store? Or a smaller new house adjacent to the current house? Can I rent out said adjacent house to other people? Is there a faceless bureaucrat I have to beg for permission before I can do any of those?

Housing, no. Land, sure, like Singapore's leasing system. Or of it's too radical, just simple LVT.


It'll probably depends upon the private property laws for the rural somewhere. You'll have to deal with the person owning the land first. Most like you'll be arrested.
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