Where is left-wing conservativism?

[Dreria]

I read this guy’s big vocabulary substack about how communism is the only way to have aristocracy in the Aristotelian sense in the modern day. Either he’s really smart or needs to go outside, maybe both

[Uiiop]

If you're only working to uplift a select few instead of everyone, you're just a capitalist in denial.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding it because intersectionality isn't that big in Poland and so I've only engaged with it online, but I thought intersectionality specifically prioritizes the uplifting of the select few of what they consider marginalized communities (such as racial/ethnic minorities, sexual minorities, the disabled, and so on) whereas the more traditional left-wing communism such as was practiced in Poland was in theory much more universalist in its outlook and goals than what I understand intersectionality to be

Intersectionality is more about being aware/inclusive of how people can be judged thorough fusion of multiple prejudiced rather than there's a worse prejudice that should be prioritized. It's mostly an legal lens or a way to virtue signal your diverse policy goals and inclusiveness. The internet being what it is it focus on people who misappropriate either to use for oppression Olympics and people whose the former to overgeneralize and misdiagnose the left's actual problem.

For example: BLM aren't prioritizing where police reforms go to but they do have a long list of other identities they want to center and used to advocate for moving beyond the nuclear family as well as free healthcare.

[The free romanians]

No, you’re not. Trying to divorce economic ideas that come out of socialist and left wing thought is impossible without losing all understanding of why something needs to happen. “Economically left by socially right” is propaganda from conservatism or worse far right ideologies that often doesn’t even have any real leftist economic theory within it. Like when someone describes themselves as neither left nor right it just means they’re to the right.

"Economically left but socially right" doesn't really have a movement in the U.S.., other than some segments of the alt-right which is just a Nazi movement. Economically left but culturally moderate describes a good chunk of the American people. I'm a social democrat with moderate opinions on social issues, which is what I describe myself as.

I am not right-wing culturally, but rather moved towards the center on that front.

There is the american solidarity party
I don't think its far right

[Neanderthaland]

"Economically left but socially right" doesn't really have a movement in the U.S.., other than some segments of the alt-right which is just a Nazi movement. Economically left but culturally moderate describes a good chunk of the American people. I'm a social democrat with moderate opinions on social issues, which is what I describe myself as.

I am not right-wing culturally, but rather moved towards the center on that front.

There is the american solidarity party
I don't think its far right

I just briefly looked them up. They definitely are.

[The free romanians]

There is the american solidarity party
I don't think its far right

I just briefly looked them up. They definitely are.

The american solidarity party?

[Neanderthaland]

I just briefly looked them up. They definitely are.

The american solidarity party?

Yes.

[The free romanians]

The american solidarity party?

Yes.

How?

[Dreria]

"Economically left but socially right" doesn't really have a movement in the U.S.., other than some segments of the alt-right which is just a Nazi movement. Economically left but culturally moderate describes a good chunk of the American people. I'm a social democrat with moderate opinions on social issues, which is what I describe myself as.

I am not right-wing culturally, but rather moved towards the center on that front.

There is the american solidarity party
I don't think its far right

that party is like five people four of which post on NSG

[Neanderthaland]

Yes.

How?

They're an explicitly Christian party who's policies are basically a list of working-class right-wing talking points.

They apparently care about the environment too, but a little environmentalism does not a centrist party make.

[The free romanians]

How?

They're an explicitly Christian party who's policies are basically a list of working-class right-wing talking points.

They apparently care about the environment too, but a little environmentalism does not a centrist party make.

So cdu in germany is far right

[Neanderthaland]

They're an explicitly Christian party who's policies are basically a list of working-class right-wing talking points.

They apparently care about the environment too, but a little environmentalism does not a centrist party make.

So cdu in germany is far right

German politics are not American politics. The ASP website is basically designed to lure in the voters who ended up voting for Trump instead of them.

They're also: and this is worth emphasizing, completely irrelevant to American politics.

[Ankras]

"Conservative leftism" does not exist. Socialism is always more progressive, socially and politically, than what it seeks to replace. Whether that fits our own standards is irrelevant. In Russia we could say, sure, the KPRF is a homophobic organization but it is not them who is beating gay people in the street.

Every successful socialist advance has been in direct opposition to national chauvinism and patriarchal institutions. Even Pedro Castillo, who is often considered conservative in internet discourses, declared in his campaigning that the fight against machismo culture is of importance despite his brushing off of feminism.

[Dreria]

So cdu in germany is far right

German politics are not American politics. The ASP website is basically designed to lure in the voters who ended up voting for Trump instead of them.

that is not true my mom voted for them and she’s an NPR liberal but religious

[The free romanians]

So cdu in germany is far right

German politics are not American politics. The ASP website is basically designed to lure in the voters who ended up voting for Trump instead of them.

We seem to have different opinions on this and the argument caused from this unneccesary }i will end this small converation in this forum(until im bored again )

[Forsher]

How?

They're an explicitly Christian party who's policies are basically a list of working-class right-wing talking points.

They apparently care about the environment too, but a little environmentalism does not a centrist party make.

Environmentalism isn't even incompatible with neoliberalism... ever heard of green accounting?

[Neanderthaland]

German politics are not American politics. The ASP website is basically designed to lure in the voters who ended up voting for Trump instead of them.

that is not true my mom voted for them and she’s an NPR liberal but religious

Supporting dumb politics must run in the family.

[The free romanians]

They're an explicitly Christian party who's policies are basically a list of working-class right-wing talking points.

They apparently care about the environment too, but a little environmentalism does not a centrist party make.

Environmentalism isn't even incompatible with neoliberalism... ever heard of green accounting?

Idk
Asp doesn't seem neoliberal

[Dreria]

that is not true my mom voted for them and she’s an NPR liberal but religious

Supporting dumb politics must run in the family.

I’m apolitical

[Neanderthaland]

Supporting dumb politics must run in the family.

I’m apolitical

You either don't know what that word means, or your entire signature is a lie.

[Matthew Lands]

From my personal experience, which is of course subjective, most people seem to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal despite how they define themselves.

[Forsher]

Environmentalism isn't even incompatible with neoliberalism... ever heard of green accounting?

Idk
Asp doesn't seem neoliberal

I'm not saying ASP is neoliberal, I'm saying environmentalism isn't necessarily a leftwing ideology (and offering a way in which it can be neoliberalised).

[The free romanians]

Idk
Asp doesn't seem neoliberal

I'm not saying ASP is neoliberal, I'm saying environmentalism isn't necessarily a leftwing ideology (and offering a way in which it can be neoliberalised).

Oh ok

[Ankras]

From my personal experience, which is of course subjective, most people seem to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal despite how they define themselves.

If your basis is the Internet I can believe this. Especially on a platform where people are able to create a fancy utopia of any kind they want to build without any geopolitical context, uninterrupted growth, and no one to tell them no.

But if this reflected meaningfully into the actions of people in the real world I think this "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" phenomenon would manifest more than it really does. Especially with the reality that the "fiscally conservative" organizations are losing popularity globally.

What most people actually believe outside these online political discussion pages is far more, far far more, messy and complicated than assigning a very simple easy label on them and the second it is something they personally have to deal with it is just as likely they flip into something else entirely.

[Dakini]

I mean, there's a whole international league of religious socialists with members in a number of countries.

[Uiiop]

I mean, there's a whole international league of religious socialists with members in another of countries.

Being religious isn't the same thing as social conservatism no?