China threatens to send Lithuania to garbage bin of history

[Nlarhyalo]

“Re-uniting” against the will of the people in the area you are annexing is straight imperialism.
As such you are advocating imperialism.

And why does the PRC only get that “right”?

Is the US entitled to invade the Philippines and Canada, or Germany, Poland or Austria? Or Japan, Korea (and Taiwan ironically enough). Sure the current Federal Republic of Germany never controlled Austria, and the US government never did Canada. But neither did the PRC ever control Taiwan.

The US as as much claim to Canada and Germany to Austria as the PRC does Taiwan.

Remember how last time the whole “reunite” the nation craze turned out?
There was some 70 million people dead.

Maybe not advocate causing WWIII?

Thats not what imperialism is. Taiwan is part of China and its people have been held hostage from rejoining the mainland.

The Sudetenland is part of Germany and its people have been held hostage from rejoining the Vaterland

[Wumaohar]

Thats not what imperialism is. Taiwan is part of China and its people have been held hostage from rejoining the mainland.

The Sudetenland is part of Germany and its people have been held hostage from rejoining the Vaterland

Thats not a clear comparison whatsoever

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

“Re-uniting” against the will of the people in the area you are annexing is straight imperialism.
As such you are advocating imperialism.

And why does the PRC only get that “right”?

Is the US entitled to invade the Philippines and Canada, or Germany, Poland or Austria? Or Japan, Korea (and Taiwan ironically enough). Sure the current Federal Republic of Germany never controlled Austria, and the US government never did Canada. But neither did the PRC ever control Taiwan.

The US as as much claim to Canada and Germany to Austria as the PRC does Taiwan.

Remember how last time the whole “reunite” the nation craze turned out?
There was some 70 million people dead.

Maybe not advocate causing WWIII?

Thats not what imperialism is. Taiwan is part of China and its people have been held hostage from rejoining the mainland.

Manchuria is rightful Russian territory. Tibet is rightful Nepalese territory. Now hand it over Imperialist.

[Novus America]

“Re-uniting” against the will of the people in the area you are annexing is straight imperialism.
As such you are advocating imperialism.

And why does the PRC only get that “right”?

Is the US entitled to invade the Philippines and Canada, or Germany, Poland or Austria? Or Japan, Korea (and Taiwan ironically enough). Sure the current Federal Republic of Germany never controlled Austria, and the US government never did Canada. But neither did the PRC ever control Taiwan.

The US as as much claim to Canada and Germany to Austria as the PRC does Taiwan.

Remember how last time the whole “reunite” the nation craze turned out?
There was some 70 million people dead.

Maybe not advocate causing WWIII?

Thats not what imperialism is. Taiwan is part of China and its people have been held hostage from rejoining the mainland.

That is what imperialism is. If I go and conquer and area against their will, that is straight imperialism. It does not matter if I once controlled it.

The Government of British North America lost a civil war, fled to Canada, and although we tried to take Canada twice we failed back in the era such behavior was still common.

But we then grew up, realized those members of British North America who left and we did not control after we won the war, did in fact want to be separate, recognized their sovereignty and moved on. The are a sovereign nation. I do wish we can reunify BUT I recognize Canada is independent and sovereign and it would be indefensible to push such conquest against their will, and instead things like NAFTA and NATO allow greater cooperation but still respecting their will.

Lots of countries lost land in wars. Does not give them the right to take the land some 70 years after the war ended.

The issue of Taiwan is hardly unique. And you did not answer the rest. Letting the irredentist cat out of the bag is a very, very bad idea. Because last time the cat was out 70 million people died.

And how are they “hostage”? The President of the ROC was elected with 60% of the vote, the vast majority do not want to be part of the PRC.
What do you care more about? Han Chauvinism and ethnic nationalism or what the people actually want?

Your views are seemingly more in keeping with Fascism, as what you are advocating is exactly what they did.

[Christian Confederation]

Yesterday we thought WWIII would start over Ukraine but nope Lithuania calls Taiwan a country and China attacks a NATO Member.

[Novus America]

The Sudetenland is part of Germany and its people have been held hostage from rejoining the Vaterland

Thats not a clear comparison whatsoever

True, much of the people of Sutenland, unlike Taiwan actually did support the annexation. So when annexing territory by force even when it has a real degree of popular support is bad, it is even worse when it has basically none.

So you are right, Germany actually had better justification…

[Arvenia]

How can one "reunite" with something that they never controlled in the first place?

Because the KMT lost the Civil War and Taiwan is a breakaway province

In my opinion, the modern KMT might be a better ruler for China than the modern CCP.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Because the KMT lost the Civil War and Taiwan is a breakaway province

I think the modern KMT is a better ruler than the modern CCP.

Modern KMT is basically CPC's bootlicker so idk about that.

[Novus America]

Least imperialist Marxist-leninist

I hope for a peaceful reunifcation above all things, as does the PRC

Then why all the threats? Which only makes peaceful “reunification” LESS likely!

The PRC is only making peaceful “renunciation” LESS likely with stuff like this!

If the PRC stopped acting so authoritarian and obnoxious, made real attempts to understand the feelings of the people in Taiwan, and made real accommodations (like becoming less authoritarian) then the people of Taiwan would be less inclined to feel so negatively about the PRC.

So this is bullshit.

I would like Canada to join the US. But I still recognize Canada’s sovereignty, its ability to have relations with other countries, and that most of its people do not want to join the US at this time.

For any hope of “reunification” the US would first have to fix our flaws, such as things on healthcare, take into account what their people want and make concessions and compromises.

And moreover sending bombers to constantly threaten Canada, holding military exercises to practice violently seizing Ottawa, and such economic threats would be entirely counterproductive. It would only make Canada dislike us more.

So it is good we do not do that, and have NATO and NAFTA instead. We are not fully “unified” under one government but we can and do recognize their sovereignty while still working for peaceful integration on areas we can agree.

And moreover we recognize a North American union, might never happen. I hope it does happen but it is not “destiny” or “fated by history” or such nonsense.

If it does not happen at all, or does not happen for a century so be it. You cannot always get what you want.

[Arvenia]

I think the modern KMT is a better ruler than the modern CCP.

Modern KMT is basically CPC's bootlicker so idk about that.

Oh no.

[Reino Brasileiro]

Would also cripple the world economy.

Really well thought out plan there, chief.

China doesn't make anything we can't make ourselves.

the problem is that it would also paralyze the world economy because it also depends on china with possible catastrophic economic declines, the way for china would be to support taiwam, other south china sea countries, japan, south korea, india and prevent the alliance between Russia and China.

[Reino Brasileiro]

An embargo?

The PRC is not doing an official, legal embargo but is doing a de facto extra legal one that is not openly declared by having its customs agents extralegally or illegally block goods that should be allowed in legally.

This is a tactic used widely by the PRC. Obviously doing something (and wanting people to realize it is) while claiming it is not.

the people of taiwan do not want to join china, their democratic system would cease to exist and the plan of one country two governments of china is a lie if we can judge hong kong, the people of taiwan just want to be a real country with parental rights and does not want totalitarianism in china and persecute its people, having ethnic roots is not a pretext to annex a country by force, the people of this country must want to join the union, an election like the Brexi of the British and US.

[Reino Brasileiro]

The PRC is not doing an official, legal embargo but is doing a de facto extra legal one that is not openly declared by having its customs agents extralegally or illegally block goods that should be allowed in legally.

This is a tactic used widely by the PRC. Obviously doing something (and wanting people to realize it is) while claiming it is not.

the people of taiwan do not want to join china, their democratic system would cease to exist and the plan of one country two governments of china is a lie if we can judge hong kong, the people of taiwan just want to be a real country with parental rights and does not want totalitarianism in china and persecute its people, having ethnic roots is not a pretext to annex a country by force, the people of this country must want to join the union, an election like the Brexi of the British and US.

Not US, European Union

[Wumaohar]

Thats not a clear comparison whatsoever

True, much of the people of Sutenland, unlike Taiwan actually did support the annexation. So when annexing territory by force even when it has a real degree of popular support is bad, it is even worse when it has basically none.

So you are right, Germany actually had better justification…

Most people in Taiwan do not support reunification since, yknow, the KMT mass murdered communists and Chinese nationalists and for several decades have been propagating anti-PRC messages to its whole population. While I support the reunification of China Im not an idiot and think it would be seamless or that the Taiwanese people currently want reunification. Hence why again, I hope for it to be peaceful

[Wumaohar]

I hope for a peaceful reunifcation above all things, as does the PRC

Then why all the threats? Which only makes peaceful “reunification” LESS likely!

The PRC is only making peaceful “renunciation” LESS likely with stuff like this!

If the PRC stopped acting so authoritarian and obnoxious, made real attempts to understand the feelings of the people in Taiwan, and made real accommodations (like becoming less authoritarian) then the people of Taiwan would be less inclined to feel so negatively about the PRC.

So this is bullshit.

I would like Canada to join the US. But I still recognize Canada’s sovereignty, its ability to have relations with other countries, and that most of its people do not want to join the US at this time.

For any hope of “reunification” the US would first have to fix our flaws, such as things on healthcare, take into account what their people want and make concessions and compromises.

And moreover sending bombers to constantly threaten Canada, holding military exercises to practice violently seizing Ottawa, and such economic threats would be entirely counterproductive. It would only make Canada dislike us more.

So it is good we do not do that, and have NATO and NAFTA instead. We are not fully “unified” under one government but we can and do recognize their sovereignty while still working for peaceful integration on areas we can agree.

And moreover we recognize a North American union, might never happen. I hope it does happen but it is not “destiny” or “fated by history” or such nonsense.

If it does not happen at all, or does not happen for a century so be it. You cannot always get what you want.

What threats? China has a strict non-interventionist policy and only flexes its military muscles on *its own borders* when the Americans cross the largest ocean in the world to provoke them

Also specifically speaking what do you mean by authoritarian?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

What threats? China has a strict non-interventionist policy and only flexes its military muscles on *its own borders* when the Americans cross the largest ocean in the world to provoke them

About as strictly non-interventionist as me driving a Panzer IV up your street every day and letting off the 75 mm gun in your face.

But it's ok mate I'm only using training shells.

[Wumaohar]

What threats? China has a strict non-interventionist policy and only flexes its military muscles on *its own borders* when the Americans cross the largest ocean in the world to provoke them

About as strictly non-interventionist as me driving a Panzer IV up your street every day and letting off the 75 mm gun in your face.

What are you referencing?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

About as strictly non-interventionist as me driving a Panzer IV up your street every day and letting off the 75 mm gun in your face.

What are you referencing?

Imagine somebody driving a tank up your street every day threatening to level your house unless you submitted. That's what's going on over the Taiwan Strait.

[Wumaohar]

What are you referencing?

Imagine somebody driving a tank up your street every day threatening to level your house unless you submitted. That's what's going on over the Taiwan Strait.

What you're saying is a hypothetical and that is precisely what it is: a hypothetical

China has the right to secure its own borders especially when the US, UK, and many other imperial powers constantly enter Chinese waterspace and park highly-lethal naval vessels so close by. China does not do this to "threaten Taiwan", they do it to thwart the invasion of their own de facto territory. Ever since the opening up of China the PRC has wished to bolster relations between the PRC and the government of Taiwan, this can be seen by China allowing Taiwanese companies to operate within China

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Imagine somebody driving a tank up your street every day threatening to level your house unless you submitted. That's what's going on over the Taiwan Strait.

What you're saying is a hypothetical and that is precisely what it is: a hypothetical

China has the right to secure its own borders especially when the US, UK, and many other imperial powers constantly enter Chinese waterspace and park highly-lethal naval vessels so close by. China does not do this to "threaten Taiwan", they do it to thwart the invasion of their own de facto territory. Ever since the opening up of China the PRC has wished to bolster relations between the PRC and the government of Taiwan, this can be seen by China allowing Taiwanese companies to operate within China

>when you huff too much agitprop

[Wumaohar]

What you're saying is a hypothetical and that is precisely what it is: a hypothetical

China has the right to secure its own borders especially when the US, UK, and many other imperial powers constantly enter Chinese waterspace and park highly-lethal naval vessels so close by. China does not do this to "threaten Taiwan", they do it to thwart the invasion of their own de facto territory. Ever since the opening up of China the PRC has wished to bolster relations between the PRC and the government of Taiwan, this can be seen by China allowing Taiwanese companies to operate within China

>when you huff too much agitprop

Look up the "Three Links", the PRC being ok w Taiwan operating as a separate country in international sports (even post-reunification), the 1992 Consensus....... the PRC is tryna do things peacefully

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

>when you huff too much agitprop

Look up the "Three Links", the PRC being ok w Taiwan operating as a separate country in international sports (even post-reunification), the 1992 Consensus....... the PRC is tryna do things peacefully

And it's driving strategic bombers totally non-aggressively all over the East China Sea for totally peaceful reasons. Amirite.
And no, if Taiwan dared to put up its flag and its national anthem proper in an international sports event there would be such a bitchingfest that even the Heavens would be maddened over Peking's immaturity.

[Wumaohar]

Look up the "Three Links", the PRC being ok w Taiwan operating as a separate country in international sports (even post-reunification), the 1992 Consensus....... the PRC is tryna do things peacefully

And it's driving strategic bombers totally non-aggressively all over the East China Sea for totally peaceful reasons. Amirite.
And no, if Taiwan dared to put up its flag and its national anthem proper in an international sports event there would be such a bitchingfest that even the Heavens would be maddened over Peking's immaturity.

And why does it fly strategic bombers on its own borders? Perhaps because the US does the same thing...

And no, I don't recall the PRC condemning the playing of the Taiwanese anthem at the Olympics. Again, don't know where you're coming up w this stuff

[-Astoria-]

Imagine somebody driving a tank up your street every day threatening to level your house unless you submitted. That's what's going on over the Taiwan Strait.

What you're saying is a hypothetical and that is precisely what it is: a hypothetical

China has the right to secure its own borders especially when the US, UK, and many other imperial powers constantly enter Chinese waterspace and park highly-lethal naval vessels so close by. China does not do this to "threaten Taiwan", they do it to thwart the invasion of their own de facto territory. Ever since the opening up of China the PRC has wished to bolster relations between the PRC and the government of Taiwan, this can be seen by China allowing Taiwanese companies to operate within China

"their de facto territory"

de facto
especially : being such in effect though not formally recognized

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

And it's driving strategic bombers totally non-aggressively all over the East China Sea for totally peaceful reasons. Amirite.
And no, if Taiwan dared to put up its flag and its national anthem proper in an international sports event there would be such a bitchingfest that even the Heavens would be maddened over Peking's immaturity.

And why does it fly strategic bombers on its own borders? Perhaps because the US does the same thing...

And no, I don't recall the PRC condemning the playing of the Taiwanese anthem at the Olympics. Again, don't know where you're coming up w this stuff

>Inside its own borders.
>Regularly goes outside the 12 nm boundary
>Went all the way to dickwave at Indonesia with 20 transport planes

Do you even know what the Taiwanese anthem is?