China threatens to send Lithuania to garbage bin of history

[Ethel mermania]

Found out that when the Republic of China lost its UN security seat to the PRC that some nations would have gone along with getting Taiwan a seat on the general assembly. It would be has if they were independent of the mainland. But the then Pres. of the Republic of China (Taiwan) General Chiang Kai-shek turned it down. He was intent on one day retaking the mainland. If he had taken the offer most likely non of this would be happening.

I dont know that mao would have renounced his claim on Taiwan either, but yes the KMT would not have gone for it.

[Ifreann]

Apparently the Chinese government is going with the Trump strategy of bullying anyone who disagrees with you, no matter how petty and irrelevant. Imagine a superpower feeling threatened by two small nations talking to each other.

Firstly, the island of Formosa

Lol.

And also.

Lmao.

[Vikanias]

We aren’t attacking the Chinese people, we are attacking however the crybaby toddlers in the CCP who are fucking terrified of a Baltic country wanting to do its diplomacy independently.

The fact that so many people here think that the Chinese government is quaking in its boots over a Taiwanese embassy in Vilnius is… I don’t even really have a word for it? It’s like when a toddler makes a joke that makes absolute zero sense but you laugh along anyways because they’re 3 and their brain doesn’t understand most concepts yet.

Because that’s the CCP… anything they don’t like get’s blatantly censored. Plus this has happened before, in February 2021 the 17+1 were going to have a internet call. National leaders were supposed to show up but multiple nations such as Bulgaria, Slovenia, Romania and the Baltic countries sent lower level representatives. The Baltic countries - especially Lithuania took the lead in this, when diplomats investigated if they could underrepresent themselves in the summit. And a day before the summit Chinese diplomats were piling pressure for higher level representatives. The Lithuanian ambassador to China (and her Estonian colleague) were asked to head to the Beijing foreign ministry for a dressing down which they promptly ignored. Of course China was NOT happy. So this isn’t the first time China got pissy over something the Baltics did.

[Mtwara]

However, since I can safely assume that the average forum lurker is incapable of really putting themselves in other people's shoes, this exercise in fantasy is the best possible device to explain to Western readers what the Chinese feeling is about this situation. A strongly worded letter is to be expected.

Although you are right in that different perspectives must be taken into account, the bottom line should be what do the people in Taiwan want? And I think it is pretty clear they do not, on the whole, particularly want to be part of the PRC.

The PRC and ROC should agree the ROC is limited to Taiwan and can't claim anything else, the PRC doesn't have a right to Taiwan and leave it there.

Whatever economic sanctions or punishments the Chinese try to levy on Lithuania can probably be circumvented by importing or doing business via other EU countries.

[Archinstinct]

Ah, a setback in the CCP's plan to murder 40 million people on Taiwan. Good. Lithuania will operate as a vital lifeline for other countries to ferry supplies for Taiwan when China inevitably invades.

For people who can't figure out what I mean, think plausible deniability for nations who don't want to offend the CCP while at the same time wishing to send supplies/trade with Taiwan. Lithuania recognizes Taiwan and has sea access, so send supplies to Lithuania normally > ships registered under the Lithuanian flag trade with Taiwan. if CCP accuses the nation of aiding Taiwan, they can deny claiming they sold shit to Lithuania not knowing what the country would do with it.

[Europa Undivided]

Apparently the Chinese government is going with the Trump strategy of bullying anyone who disagrees with you, no matter how petty and irrelevant. Imagine a superpower feeling threatened by two small nations talking to each other.

Firstly, the island of Formosa isn't a nation.

Secondly,

Try to imagine if Donald Trump had lost the election, refused to concede, declared himself the rightfully elected president, attempted a palace coup, failed, launched a civil war, failed the civil war, and then retreated to Hawaii with most of the US Navy, which remained loyal to him. Then, imagine that, while sitting in Hawaii, with the mainland US government being unable to realistically get out there and invade him, he declared that Hawaii belonged to America, as did all of its other territories, and that his was the rightful government of all of America. Then, imagine that he suddenly discovered that he was best friends with Russia and China, who started showering this rogue American Hawaii state with modern weapons, trade deals, etc - and the American Hawaii government converted to Ethnostate-ism, and firmly maintained its intentions to one day govern all of America, under Ethnostate-ism.

Then, imagine that decades pass in a stalemate like this, and over this time, the military assets of American Hawaii become technologically obsolete, while mainland America, having most of the population, research and production of America, develops a modern Navy which could easily invade and reclaim American Hawaii. Now, crown this fantasy with an image of Vladimir Putin announcing his "firm commitment to protect American Ethnostate-ism in American Hawaii" and Russian warships patrolling the waters around the island to deter "imperialist mainland aggression" and Russian senators and television pundits waxing poetically about "Russia's commitment to protect its allies."

Then, try to imagine how the mainland American administration would react, if, say, Pakistan came out and recognized the sovereignty of American Hawaii, at a time when the entire world was not recognizing American Hawaii, and was recognizing the government in Washington as the legitimate government of all US territories, including Hawaii, and recognizing the occupation government in Hawaii as a civil war stalemate situation, but not as a legitimate government of an independent nation.

It's not clear what Pakistan would have to do with this situation, or why they would stick their opinion in it - just as it is not clear, here, what Lithuania has to do with any of this, or why they think they have something to do with it.

However, since I can safely assume that the average forum lurker is incapable of really putting themselves in other people's shoes, this exercise in fantasy is the best possible device to explain to Western readers what the Chinese feeling is about this situation. A strongly worded letter is to be expected.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Taiwan is a country, it fits every criteria for being one. International recognition is just unofficial at this point because of reasons that should be very obvious. America supplies Taiwan with weapons and has deals with it, even if the papers say that the US doesn't recognize it is a country. The United States and friends very much recognizes Taiwan as a country in practice; it simply doesn't do so officially.

The Trump analogy doesn't work, because there wasn't any election to legitimize the CCP or the KMT (Bold of you to think that China has elections!). The Nationalists simply lost a civil war and retreated to Taiwan to form their own nation.

Either way, Taiwan is a country, it's just China but better, Xi Jin Ping is Winnie the Pooh, the Uighur camps exist, Tibet is being suppressed, and the Tiananmen Square Massacre happened. Now I don't have any social credit left!

[Europa Undivided]

However, since I can safely assume that the average forum lurker is incapable of really putting themselves in other people's shoes, this exercise in fantasy is the best possible device to explain to Western readers what the Chinese feeling is about this situation. A strongly worded letter is to be expected.

Although you are right in that different perspectives must be taken into account, the bottom line should be what do the people in Taiwan want? And I think it is pretty clear they do not, on the whole, particularly want to be part of the PRC.

The PRC and ROC should agree the ROC is limited to Taiwan and can't claim anything else, the PRC doesn't have a right to Taiwan and leave it there.

Whatever economic sanctions or punishments the Chinese try to levy on Lithuania can probably be circumvented by importing or doing business via other EU countries.

Current day Taiwan isn't even interested in reclaiming the mainland. They only desire independence.

[Chia Dal]

First Russia, now China.

All we need now is North Korea to make some big threat and we'll have the communist trifecta on our bingo ballot.

Russia is not communist.

I find it amusing that China is having such an identity crisis to the point they have to threaten a small (relatively that is) Baltic nation to maintain their image.

Lithuania has indicated its complete disregard for China's sovereignty with its actions. Why should China not retaliate?

Taiwan doesn't belong to the PRC plus Lithuania can do what it wants as it is an independent sovereign country.

[James_xenoland]

Lithuania may pay a heavy economic price for its decision. The country is bracing for a corporate boycott after China told multinationals to sever ties with Lithuania or risk being shut out of the lucrative Chinese market, Reuters reported in December.

This, this right here is the wake up call for even the stupidest of governments, on the fact that our companies should (legally) not be allowed to get involved with china on any level.. full stop! We have already seen what the market nitwits are willing to do to make the CCP happy. It's also well past time that we stopped and reversed their buying up of infrastructure and such outside china.

[Dreria]

Lithuania joining the redditor bloc of countries and alleged countries

[-Astoria-]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh wait, this is a serious news? Let me laugh even harder!

Ah, well. The People's Republic of China, the country that feels threatened by tiny Baltic states, anime, a children's cartoon, and femboys. It never fails to deliver funny jokes.

That's kind of the point, why would China throw all their toys out of the pram when a nation that is quite small (and one that they don't rely on for goods at all) recognises their enemy? This just reinforces how childish the PRC's government can be over such trivial matters.

Maybe Chna's thinking in terms of the domino effect — ie if one country falls, so do all of the others — so presumably they're getting antsy in case it happens.

[Sungoldy-China]

China can take any measures, Lithuania can also take any measures.

In fact, as long as China persists in purchasing Russian resources, it will be enough to disgust these Eastern European countries.

China’s bilateral friendly foreign policy has become increasingly useless in an increasingly intensified world.

However, it is fun to have a good drama on the world stage after all.

[Vivolkha]

China can take any measures, Lithuania can also take any measures.

This. This "incident" is just two countries acting on their diplomatic interests.

[Kaczynskisatva]

Taiwan is a country, it fits every criteria for being one.

The Trump analogy doesn't work, because there wasn't any election to legitimize the CCP or the KMT

This is a poorly-written post and I'm only responding to it because it condenses the two points in this thread into one post after snipping.

Please explain the criteria which Taiwan completes to be a country, which were not completed by the American Confederacy (which was not internationally recognized as sovereign during the American civil war) and which are not completed, generally, by any land-holding civil war faction in any country divided by civil war, at any time.

Within the Trump analogy - China, as a Communist country, does not consider the sacred cow of elections to be legitimizing of a State. They consider having a Communist revolution to be legitimacy ritual of their State. American Hawaii would not consider the declared electoral victory of the mainland American government to be legitimizing, because it would not be a Democratic State.

If you think "only governments which follow my model of government are legitimate" then you should get off the forum, jump in a time machine, join Infantry, and put your boots on the ground for the invasion of Afghanistan.

I'm glad that the opinion factory on this forum is run by people who don't get to make policy decisions, and I'm in an existential horror spiral that these are the cream of the political intellectual elite that vote in elections, which is so perpetual that I'm used to it.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

First Austria, then Sudetenland, what's next? Poland/Okinawa?

[Ayytaly]

No one tell the PRC that the name "China" comes from the Qin dynasty a.k.a an imperial era.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

No one tell the PRC that the name "China" comes from the Qin dynasty a.k.a an imperial era.

PRC wants to be an Imperial dynasty. It's their entire shtick wrt that ultranationalism of theirs. And with a gaggle of tributary states to boot.

[Ayytaly]

No one tell the PRC that the name "China" comes from the Qin dynasty a.k.a an imperial era.

PRC wants to be an Imperial dynasty. It's their entire shtick wrt that ultranationalism of theirs. And with a gaggle of tributary states to boot.

Ain't that a great analogy, though? PRC keeps the imperial name, wheraa ROC is known by a different name altogether.

[The North Polish Union]

Please explain the criteria which Taiwan completes to be a country, which were not completed by the American Confederacy (which was not internationally recognized as sovereign during the American civil war) and which are not completed, generally, by any land-holding civil war faction in any country divided by civil war, at any time.

This actually raises an interesting question regarding a number of widely-internationally-recognized states. Can both the RoK and DPRK be regarded as countries under this reasoning? What about the variety of post-Yugoslav states in the 1990s and 2000s (although some of those conflicts are now somewhat resolved)? "No land-holding factions in a civil war" can often be broadly correct, but it's rather reductionist thinking in terms of actual geopolitical practice

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Yes the CSA was a country, so is both ROK and DPRK.
The only problem with recognising the de facto country-status of Taiwan is the load of infantile seething and coping Peking will vomit out upon anybody making a positive reference to the former. And most people finds the latter incredibly annoying, like when dealing with the incredible energy an infant will expend on whinging and crying. Only that Peking should damn well fucking know better than to behave like an infant.

[Hukhalia]

rare moment of basedness from china

any regime that recognises the bandit-state in taiwan is worthy of being swept aside from the history books

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

rare moment of basedness from china

any regime that recognises the bandit-state in taiwan is worthy of being swept aside from the history books

well at least you admit to being a Rotfaschist already so that saves me some energy
bet you think the Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart in Berlin was great too, despite being erected by Nazis.

[Arvenia]

rare moment of basedness from china

any regime that recognises the bandit-state in taiwan is worthy of being swept aside from the history books

Bruh, this will not age well.

[-Astoria-]

rare moment of basedness from china

any regime that recognises the bandit-state in taiwan is worthy of being swept aside from the history books

You what?

[United Interuniversal Federation]

As a Chinese person, I sincerely apologize for the actions of our mainland secessionists. They've been throwing tantrums recently.