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NATO should decline these demands and begin preparing for WW3 to break out.
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38%
NATO should decline these demands and hope it's fine and/or limited to the invasion of Ukraine.
360
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NATO should negotiate.
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28%
NATO should accept these demands.
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Total votes : 1812

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Deblar
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Postby Deblar » Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:52 pm

Welp, see you on the front lines boys

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:54 pm

the fuck

This has to be exaggerated.
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Prima Scriptura
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:55 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
Why does Russia have a right to invade the Baltic states?

I....didn't say they did.


Then what did you say?
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:56 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I....didn't say they did.


Then what did you say?

Genivaria wrote:
Picairn wrote:Do you think NATO would immediately surrender once Russia occupied the Baltic countries ersumthing?

If anything such action would do more to justify NATO's existence than anything else in the past 30 years.

There you go, since you apparently missed it.
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Prima Scriptura
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:02 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
Then what did you say?

Genivaria wrote:If anything such action would do more to justify NATO's existence than anything else in the past 30 years.

There you go, since you apparently missed it.


So you do agree that Estonia and Latvia have a right to defend their sovereignty and their borders? That’s good.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:04 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Genivaria wrote:
There you go, since you apparently missed it.


So you do agree that Estonia and Latvia have a right to defend their sovereignty and their borders? That’s good.

Was that not obvious?
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:17 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
So you do agree that Estonia and Latvia have a right to defend their sovereignty and their borders? That’s good.

Was that not obvious?


My mistake.
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Postby Arpasia » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:20 pm

Russia on a daily basis, threatening other countries and alliances
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Postby Sundiata » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:30 pm

Putin should stop.
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Postby Vikanias » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:31 pm

Well shit.
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Laka Strolistandiler
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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:34 pm

*cries*
My dream of leaving this piece of shit of a country are becoming slimmer and slimmer with each and every day. Why the heck was I even born in this place?

I tell you what- the one who is going to get hit for this is none other than us, average Russian people. We always suffer for our leaders- that’s the way the things are here.
I am not a Russian but a Cameroonian born in this POS.
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Postby Rusozak » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:41 pm

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:*cries*
My dream of leaving this piece of shit of a country are becoming slimmer and slimmer with each and every day. Why the heck was I even born in this place?

I tell you what- the one who is going to get hit for this is none other than us, average Russian people. We always suffer for our leaders- that’s the way the things are here.


You also have revolutions when the people have had enough from the leaders.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:45 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:*cries*
My dream of leaving this piece of shit of a country are becoming slimmer and slimmer with each and every day. Why the heck was I even born in this place?

I tell you what- the one who is going to get hit for this is none other than us, average Russian people. We always suffer for our leaders- that’s the way the things are here.


You also have revolutions when the people have had enough from the leaders.


The thing is that Putin has strong support of the populace, and a lot of them are hungry to get their empire back.
I’m a Protestant Christian and American Patriot. 30 year-old male from MPLS, MN. Volcel with SSA.
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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:51 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
You also have revolutions when the people have had enough from the leaders.


The thing is that Putin has strong support of the populace, and a lot of them are hungry to get their empire back.

I bet that we’re going to see the emigration process from Russia complicated to an absurd amount (like in the USSr) after NATO will reject this offer. Due to national security or some other shit
I am not a Russian but a Cameroonian born in this POS.
An autocratic monarchy with elements of aristocracy which is militaristic to the point of suicidal. Nuclear armed ready to use this weapon on any agressor or itself to prevent capture. Ruled over by a combination of medieval-ish thinking of workers and peasants and incredibly hierarchical society. A British-ish colonial empire incorporating some partially democratic nations who just want some WMD’s
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Postby The Erenu State » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:52 pm

As Dictator Communist of the Ersnu State, I agree Russia should force national to abandon Eastern Europe and Europe in general but I believe on behalf of communism there is no threat of nuclear war coming as Nato had been threatening the Russians and communist for months by fiercely guarding the Russian border from Ukraine. Disband NATO!

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Postby The Erenu State » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:52 pm

As Dictator Communist of the Ersnu State, I agree Russia should force national to abandon Eastern Europe and Europe in general but I believe on behalf of communism there is no threat of nuclear war coming as Nato had been threatening the Russians and communist for months by fiercely guarding the Russian border from Ukraine. Disband NATO!

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Postby Arpasia » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:54 pm

The Erenu State wrote:As Dictator Communist of the Ersnu State, I agree Russia should force national to abandon Eastern Europe and Europe in general but I believe on behalf of communism there is no threat of nuclear war coming as Nato had been threatening the Russians and communist for months by fiercely guarding the Russian border from Ukraine. Disband NATO!

*Beats you with a baseball bat*
Ek Sê!, A Nation on Eastern Altropia, basically an Alternate Universe France.
NS Stats executed by M67 Rifle.
Le temps de Philippeaux: OrbOb satellite captures S.S Jiangxiao moored on pirate-controlled Nasrah coast. | Black Coast government fully transitions into military dictatorship virtually overnight. | 5.7 magnitude earthquake rocks western Norteagua and Cortina. | Arpasian ambassador to Sufistan disappears after going inside People's Council building.
Since those people have anime girls and whatnot on their flags, I decide to use him in my flag, and also, this is not Henry on my flag, it's Konrad and a marine.

Likes: Quailty Posts, F7, GE&T, Henry Stickmin, S-61R, UH-60.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:54 pm

The Erenu State wrote:As Dictator Communist of the Ersnu State, I agree Russia should force national to abandon Eastern Europe and Europe in general but I believe on behalf of communism there is no threat of nuclear war coming as Nato had been threatening the Russians and communist for months by fiercely guarding the Russian border from Ukraine. Disband NATO!

General is out of character.
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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:54 pm

The Erenu State wrote:As Dictator Communist of the Ersnu State, I agree Russia should force national to abandon Eastern Europe and Europe in general but I believe on behalf of communism there is no threat of nuclear war coming as Nato had been threatening the Russians and communist for months by fiercely guarding the Russian border from Ukraine. Disband NATO!

That’s an OOC forum, please don’t rp here
I am not a Russian but a Cameroonian born in this POS.
An autocratic monarchy with elements of aristocracy which is militaristic to the point of suicidal. Nuclear armed ready to use this weapon on any agressor or itself to prevent capture. Ruled over by a combination of medieval-ish thinking of workers and peasants and incredibly hierarchical society. A British-ish colonial empire incorporating some partially democratic nations who just want some WMD’s
Quote of the day:They forced the life on me. I do not want to live. My life brings happiness to no one
Pronouns up to your choice but I’d prefer to be referred to as she/her.
I reserve the right to /stillme any one-liners if my post is at least two lines long

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Prima Scriptura
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:56 pm

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
The thing is that Putin has strong support of the populace, and a lot of them are hungry to get their empire back.

I bet that we’re going to see the emigration process from Russia complicated to an absurd amount (like in the USSr) after NATO will reject this offer. Due to national security or some other shit


Russophobia is strong in former Warsaw pac satellite states. They will either put a hard cap very conservatives cap on Russian migrants, if they accept any at all. I can bet the bank that Poland isn’t going to take any at all
I’m a Protestant Christian and American Patriot. 30 year-old male from MPLS, MN. Volcel with SSA.
Pro: Jesus, The Holy Bible, Constitutional Republic, representative democracy, efficient and comprehensive welfare state, paternalistic conservatism, civic nationalism, cannabis legalization, $15 an hour min.wage, religious liberty, Law & Order, police, death penalty, sensible reform of law enforcement, racial equity, peace through strength, NATO, EU
Anti: Satan, sin, anarchism, paleoconservatism, communism, libertarianism, fascism, ACAB, racism, populism, Trump(ism), Qanon, Putin, Xi, Taliban.
Sola gratia. Sola fide. Soli Deo gloria. Solus Christus
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Postby Vadterland » Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:00 am

I doubt this will happen and hope this doesn't get far. Russian military and political influence outside of Belarus and Eastern Ukraine is dead in the water and no one really takes them seriously for good reason. This is at best a bluff, and one not even the stupidest Western heads of state will even come close to falling for for any number of reasons, not the least of which is because it would be geopolitical suicide.
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Laka Strolistandiler
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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:02 am

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:I bet that we’re going to see the emigration process from Russia complicated to an absurd amount (like in the USSr) after NATO will reject this offer. Due to national security or some other shit


Russophobia is strong in former Warsaw pac satellite states. They will either put a hard cap very conservatives cap on Russian migrants, if they accept any at all. I can bet the bank that Poland isn’t going to take any at all

I don’t think that this will be strictly related to worsening of relationships with NATO. My point was about Putin and his cohort making it harder for Russians to escape this land
I am not a Russian but a Cameroonian born in this POS.
An autocratic monarchy with elements of aristocracy which is militaristic to the point of suicidal. Nuclear armed ready to use this weapon on any agressor or itself to prevent capture. Ruled over by a combination of medieval-ish thinking of workers and peasants and incredibly hierarchical society. A British-ish colonial empire incorporating some partially democratic nations who just want some WMD’s
Quote of the day:They forced the life on me. I do not want to live. My life brings happiness to no one
Pronouns up to your choice but I’d prefer to be referred to as she/her.
I reserve the right to /stillme any one-liners if my post is at least two lines long

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Arpasia
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Postby Arpasia » Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:03 am

Stellar Colonies wrote:the fuck

This has to be exaggerated.

I'm afraid that this is a very real happening, my friend.
Ek Sê!, A Nation on Eastern Altropia, basically an Alternate Universe France.
NS Stats executed by M67 Rifle.
Le temps de Philippeaux: OrbOb satellite captures S.S Jiangxiao moored on pirate-controlled Nasrah coast. | Black Coast government fully transitions into military dictatorship virtually overnight. | 5.7 magnitude earthquake rocks western Norteagua and Cortina. | Arpasian ambassador to Sufistan disappears after going inside People's Council building.
Since those people have anime girls and whatnot on their flags, I decide to use him in my flag, and also, this is not Henry on my flag, it's Konrad and a marine.

Likes: Quailty Posts, F7, GE&T, Henry Stickmin, S-61R, UH-60.
Dislikes: Summies, Adbots, Slaver Nations, One-liners.

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Laka Strolistandiler
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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:06 am

Vadterland wrote:I doubt this will happen and hope this doesn't get far. Russian military and political influence outside of Belarus and Eastern Ukraine is dead in the water and no one really takes them seriously for good reason. This is at best a bluff, and one not even the stupidest Western heads of state will even come close to falling for for any number of reasons, not the least of which is because it would be geopolitical suicide.

But Russian citizens will take it seriously. Whenever our government does something absurd we get sanctioned to hell and become even more poor economically, and to make up for material losses they’ll increase taxation even more. If this doesn’t have little to no consequences for you westerners this doesn’t mean that no one will suffer
I am not a Russian but a Cameroonian born in this POS.
An autocratic monarchy with elements of aristocracy which is militaristic to the point of suicidal. Nuclear armed ready to use this weapon on any agressor or itself to prevent capture. Ruled over by a combination of medieval-ish thinking of workers and peasants and incredibly hierarchical society. A British-ish colonial empire incorporating some partially democratic nations who just want some WMD’s
Quote of the day:They forced the life on me. I do not want to live. My life brings happiness to no one
Pronouns up to your choice but I’d prefer to be referred to as she/her.
I reserve the right to /stillme any one-liners if my post is at least two lines long

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Prima Scriptura
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:11 am

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
Russophobia is strong in former Warsaw pac satellite states. They will either put a hard cap very conservatives cap on Russian migrants, if they accept any at all. I can bet the bank that Poland isn’t going to take any at all

I don’t think that this will be strictly related to worsening of relationships with NATO. My point was about Putin and his cohort making it harder for Russians to escape this land


Putin will do anything to retain and expand his power. The people of Russia will be in prayers.
I’m a Protestant Christian and American Patriot. 30 year-old male from MPLS, MN. Volcel with SSA.
Pro: Jesus, The Holy Bible, Constitutional Republic, representative democracy, efficient and comprehensive welfare state, paternalistic conservatism, civic nationalism, cannabis legalization, $15 an hour min.wage, religious liberty, Law & Order, police, death penalty, sensible reform of law enforcement, racial equity, peace through strength, NATO, EU
Anti: Satan, sin, anarchism, paleoconservatism, communism, libertarianism, fascism, ACAB, racism, populism, Trump(ism), Qanon, Putin, Xi, Taliban.
Sola gratia. Sola fide. Soli Deo gloria. Solus Christus
1 Chronicles 16:34
Psalms 147:3
Isaiah 53:5
Luke 9:23
Romans 3:22-24
2 Corinthians 5:17

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