The Invasion of Ukraine, Russia Threatens Finland/Sweden

[Militant Costco]

And in that senario everyone dies and no one wins, Meaning the leader at the time of such an attack would be responsable for the deaths of Billions, giving them the highest kill count in history

Clearly being a peacenik doesn't work - when the other side is quite willing to off you. Just because they can.

Yeah, but no one wins with nuclear war, peacenik or putinbot. You seem to be suggesting we should just nuke the Russians or that they would nuke us when there are at least a hundred other methods both sides could use to "win".

[Continental Free States]

The correct way to return his missive would be to fold it up and strap it to a Minuteman ICBM. To be shoved right up his backside. There should be no Munich 1938 or Poland 1939 redux. Better return fire now, before we are next in line to be chopped up and invaded.

Good job! Now Washington D.C is now a pile of nuclear ashes. I hope you planned for a nuclear war.

Good job! By letting Russia act with impunity in Eastern Europe because of a juvenile fear that any response other than a green light or mildly concerned letters will prompt Russian nukes flying at DC, you end up dragging the US and its allies into what will definitely be a nuclear war at a time Russia does in fact have a better hand to play. I'm not sure how you looked at Crimea and then the rest of Ukraine and not immediately get Munich-shaped red flags.

[Picairn]

Good job! By letting Russia act with impunity in Eastern Europe because of a juvenile fear that any response other than a green light or mildly concerned letters will prompt Russian nukes flying at DC, you end up dragging the US and its allies into what will definitely be a nuclear war at a time Russia does in fact have a better hand to play. I'm not sure how you looked at Crimea and then the rest of Ukraine and not immediately get Munich-style red flags.

Last I checked a fully armed Minuteman is not a letter.

[Salus Maior]

Good job! Now Washington D.C is now a pile of nuclear ashes. I hope you planned for a nuclear war.

Good job! By letting Russia act with impunity in Eastern Europe because of a juvenile fear that any response other than a green light or mildly concerned letters will prompt Russian nukes flying at DC, you end up dragging the US and its allies into what will definitely be a nuclear war at a time Russia does in fact have a better hand to play. I'm not sure how you looked at Crimea and then the rest of Ukraine and not immediately get Munich-shaped red flags.

We don't have any obligation to give military aid to Ukraine. We don't have any alliance or guarantee with them.

[Mendit Key]

Clearly being a peacenik doesn't work - when the other side is quite willing to off you. Just because they can.

Yeah, but no one wins with nuclear war, peacenik or putinbot. You seem to be suggesting we should just nuke the Russians or that they would nuke us when there are at least a hundred other methods both sides could use to "win".

We can also wait before they invade and nuke us. --- and then what ? We're not dealing with rational actors here. We're dealing with people who have been wanting to take over Europe for a very long time. Did you ever check out Foundations of Geopolitics by Aleksandr Dugin ? He is a chief strategist for Putin. A fascist. A Nazi.

If you are American. You might recognise some of what is going on right now:

In the United States:

Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics".[9]
The Eurasian Project could be expanded to South and Central America.[9]

The West is already at war and has been since 1917.

[Militant Costco]

Good job! Now Washington D.C is now a pile of nuclear ashes. I hope you planned for a nuclear war.

Good job! By letting Russia act with impunity in Eastern Europe because of a juvenile fear that any response other than a green light or mildly concerned letters will prompt Russian nukes flying at DC, you end up dragging the US and its allies into what will definitely be a nuclear war at a time Russia does in fact have a better hand to play. I'm not sure how you looked at Crimea and then the rest of Ukraine and not immediately get Munich-shaped red flags.

You seriously think the Russians won't 100% nuke us back if we sent a Minuteman ICBM? And that somehow the ICBM is our only option now just because Putin is taking over one country in Eastern Europe? A little melodramatic aren't you?

[Salus Maior]

We can also wait before they invade and nuke us..

And then we nuke them ten times over in response.

Russia wins?

[Mendit Key]

Good job! Now Washington D.C is now a pile of nuclear ashes. I hope you planned for a nuclear war.

Good job! By letting Russia act with impunity in Eastern Europe because of a juvenile fear that any response other than a green light or mildly concerned letters will prompt Russian nukes flying at DC, you end up dragging the US and its allies into what will definitely be a nuclear war at a time Russia does in fact have a better hand to play. I'm not sure how you looked at Crimea and then the rest of Ukraine and not immediately get Munich-shaped red flags.

Exactly. Better act now - before they do it to us.

[Nuloerkun]

Good job! By letting Russia act with impunity in Eastern Europe because of a juvenile fear that any response other than a green light or mildly concerned letters will prompt Russian nukes flying at DC, you end up dragging the US and its allies into what will definitely be a nuclear war at a time Russia does in fact have a better hand to play. I'm not sure how you looked at Crimea and then the rest of Ukraine and not immediately get Munich-style red flags.

Last I checked a fully armed Minuteman is not a letter.

I wonder if the Ukrainians are countering with (non-nuclear obviously) bombing campaigns on Belgorod, Voroneż and nearby cities.

[Mendit Key]

We can also wait before they invade and nuke us..

And then we nuke them ten times over in response.

Russia wins?

How exactly ? In a nuclear first strike, there is no real responsible possible.

[Holy Nacimerian Empire]

Good job! Now Washington D.C is now a pile of nuclear ashes. I hope you planned for a nuclear war.

Good job! By letting Russia act with impunity in Eastern Europe because of a juvenile fear that any response other than a green light or mildly concerned letters will prompt Russian nukes flying at DC, you end up dragging the US and its allies into what will definitely be a nuclear war at a time Russia does in fact have a better hand to play. I'm not sure how you looked at Crimea and then the rest of Ukraine and not immediately get Munich-shaped red flags.

Ah yes because Putin is going to send nukes to obliterate the US captial because according to you he is a bloody idiot with the brain of a child in the body of an old man. Meaning we should send aid to a nation whose chances of winning are slim and end up eventually sending americans to die for Kyiv

[Novus America]

Good job! By letting Russia act with impunity in Eastern Europe because of a juvenile fear that any response other than a green light or mildly concerned letters will prompt Russian nukes flying at DC, you end up dragging the US and its allies into what will definitely be a nuclear war at a time Russia does in fact have a better hand to play. I'm not sure how you looked at Crimea and then the rest of Ukraine and not immediately get Munich-shaped red flags.

We don't have any obligation to give military aid to Ukraine. We don't have any alliance or guarantee with them.

That does not preclude us from helping them.
Doing the right thing, or most logical thing is more than just meeting legal obligations.

Again I do not think we should go to open war with Russia now. But we can and still should take steps short of war to help them.

[Militant Costco]

Yeah, but no one wins with nuclear war, peacenik or putinbot. You seem to be suggesting we should just nuke the Russians or that they would nuke us when there are at least a hundred other methods both sides could use to "win".

We can also wait before they invade and nuke us. --- and then what ? We're not dealing with rational actors here. We're dealing with people who have been wanting to take over Europe for a very long time. Did you ever check out Foundations of Geopolitics by Aleksandr Dugin ? He is a chief strategist for Putin. A fascist. A Nazi.

If you are American. You might recognise some of what is going on right now:

In the United States:

Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics".[9]
The Eurasian Project could be expanded to South and Central America.[9]

The West is already at war and has been since 1917.

You really think Russia is going to throw everything away and just invade us, with nukes? Again, no one wins in that scenario. Rational or not, Putin wants to win wars. If Putin just wanted to commit suicide he would have just invaded Lithuania ages ago. Putin is first and foremost a KGB-man, not a Neonazi or doomsdayer. KGB is usually a little more subtle than "6000 nukes and a goodbye to humanity".

[Thermodolia]

Yes the art that’s what matters

Did you miss the other things I mentioned?

Didn’t see any mention of the death of 3 million people

[Mendit Key]

Good job! By letting Russia act with impunity in Eastern Europe because of a juvenile fear that any response other than a green light or mildly concerned letters will prompt Russian nukes flying at DC, you end up dragging the US and its allies into what will definitely be a nuclear war at a time Russia does in fact have a better hand to play. I'm not sure how you looked at Crimea and then the rest of Ukraine and not immediately get Munich-shaped red flags.

You seriously think the Russians won't 100% nuke us back if we sent a Minuteman ICBM? And that somehow the ICBM is our only option now just because Putin is taking over one country in Eastern Europe? A little melodramatic aren't you?

"Ah.. let's not worry about Herr Hitler's little attack on Poland. Surely, he will never invade Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Yugoslavia, Greece, North Africa and the USSR... And he will never bomb Britain into rubble and declare war on the United States. Don't be so melodramatic !"

[Novus America]

And then we nuke them ten times over in response.

Russia wins?

How exactly ? In a nuclear first strike, there is no real responsible possible.

The vast majority of our ICBMS are on submarines, which are quite resistant to a first strike.

Please not I am not some appeasenik. I support many actions to punish Russia here and help Ukraine. But there is a middle ground between “go full Munich” and “BOOB Russia”.

[Mendit Key]

We can also wait before they invade and nuke us. --- and then what ? We're not dealing with rational actors here. We're dealing with people who have been wanting to take over Europe for a very long time. Did you ever check out Foundations of Geopolitics by Aleksandr Dugin ? He is a chief strategist for Putin. A fascist. A Nazi.

If you are American. You might recognise some of what is going on right now:



The West is already at war and has been since 1917.

You really think Russia is going to throw everything away and just invade us, with nukes? Again, no one wins in that scenario. Rational or not, Putin wants to win wars. If Putin just wanted to commit suicide he would have just invaded Lithuania ages ago. Putin is first and foremost a KGB-man, not a Neonazi or doomsayers. KGB is usually a little more subtle than "6000 nukes and a goodbye to humanity".

In their mind, they win when we no longer exist. That's the measure of their resolve.

[Mendit Key]

How exactly ? In a nuclear first strike, there is no real responsible possible.

The vast majority of our ICBMS are on submarines, which are quite resistant to a first strike.

But Britain and France ?

[Diarcesia]

You seriously think the Russians won't 100% nuke us back if we sent a Minuteman ICBM? And that somehow the ICBM is our only option now just because Putin is taking over one country in Eastern Europe? A little melodramatic aren't you?

"Ah.. let's not worry about Herr Hitler's little attack on Poland. Surely, he will never invade Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Yugoslavia, Greece, North Africa and the USSR... And he will never bomb Britain into rubble and declare war on the United States. Don't be so melodramatic !"

That's precisely why Putin thought he should invade Ukraine. The only difference is the actors involved.

"Let's not worry about NATO admitting Germany. Surely they will never include Poland, the Baltics, etc."

[Luxenermy]

You seriously think the Russians won't 100% nuke us back if we sent a Minuteman ICBM? And that somehow the ICBM is our only option now just because Putin is taking over one country in Eastern Europe? A little melodramatic aren't you?

"Ah.. let's not worry about Herr Hitler's little attack on Poland. Surely, he will never invade Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Yugoslavia, Greece, North Africa and the USSR... And he will never bomb Britain into rubble and declare war on the United States. Don't be so melodramatic !"

The problem with this response is you assume that the massive American Military that's much larger than the Russian one can only respond with a nuclear missile, or complete pacifism.

[Militant Costco]

You really think Russia is going to throw everything away and just invade us, with nukes? Again, no one wins in that scenario. Rational or not, Putin wants to win wars. If Putin just wanted to commit suicide he would have just invaded Lithuania ages ago. Putin is first and foremost a KGB-man, not a Neonazi or doomsayers. KGB is usually a little more subtle than "6000 nukes and a goodbye to humanity".

In their mind, they win when we no longer exist. That's the measure of their resolve.

Under your logic, why wouldn't Putin had nuked 20 years ago, when he had 7000 nukes instead of 6000. Why would he invest billions of dollars into an army that he plans to get obliterated in 20 minutes? Why work so hard eliminating your enemies and securing elections when you plan to destroy Russia in 20 minutes? It's not Putin that's irrational, it's you.

[Luxenermy]

In their mind, they win when we no longer exist. That's the measure of their resolve.

Under your logic, why wouldn't Putin had nuked 20 years ago, when he had 7000 nukes instead of 6000. Why would he invest billions of dollars into an army that he plans to get obliterated in 20 minutes? Why work so hard eliminating your enemies and securing elections when you plan to destroy Russia in 20 minutes? It's not Putin that's irrational, it's you.

Well said.

[Novus America]

The vast majority of our ICBMS are on submarines, which are quite resistant to a first strike.

But Britain and France ?

ALL of their ICBMS are on submarines. 100%.

[Tarsonis]

And in that senario everyone dies and no one wins, Meaning the leader at the time of such an attack would be responsable for the deaths of Billions, giving them the highest kill count in history

Clearly being a peacenik doesn't work - when the other side is quite willing to off you. Just because they can.

you really don't understand the concept of M.A.D. do you...

[Holy Nacimerian Empire]

You seriously think the Russians won't 100% nuke us back if we sent a Minuteman ICBM? And that somehow the ICBM is our only option now just because Putin is taking over one country in Eastern Europe? A little melodramatic aren't you?

"Ah.. let's not worry about Herr Hitler's little attack on Poland. Surely, he will never invade Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Yugoslavia, Greece, North Africa and the USSR... And he will never bomb Britain into rubble and declare war on the United States. Don't be so melodramatic !"

I think you have forgotten that the angry racist man tried to conquer the world nearly 100 years ago and was mollywhopped, times have changed since then