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The Alma Mater wrote:

Heloin wrote:Can’t imagine so. Less then 24 hours into an invasion most people wouldn’t decided that quickly to start attacking their friends and families.

You do realise that many Ukranians have family and friends in Russia and vice versa ?

I think you don’t realise being invaded doesn’t generally make army units loyal to their country change sides because it’s likely their cousin on the other side.

I would to the my last comment: What grants will give Russia in exange to this condition, what maybe Russia will not invade Ukraine it's seem a similar grants that Germany give to UK and France at the Munich conference in 1938.

The North Polish Union wrote:"The An-26 plane of the Air Force of Russia crashed in the Woroneż region, the crew died, according to Western Military District." (via TASS News Agency)

Was this due to human error or did Ukraine shoot it down?

Heloin wrote:

The Alma Mater wrote:You do realise that many Ukranians have family and friends in Russia and vice versa ?

I think you don’t realise being invaded doesn’t generally make army units loyal to their country change sides because it’s likely their cousin on the other side.

You assumption is incorrect. People switching sides because they see family is extremely common all throughout history.

Esthe wrote:

The North Polish Union wrote:"The An-26 plane of the Air Force of Russia crashed in the Woroneż region, the crew died, according to Western Military District." (via TASS News Agency)

Was this due to human error or did Ukraine shoot it down?

No indication I can find either way. Current weather in Woroneż is clear with no wind for what its worth

Esthe wrote:

The North Polish Union wrote:"The An-26 plane of the Air Force of Russia crashed in the Woroneż region, the crew died, according to Western Military District." (via TASS News Agency)

Was this due to human error or did Ukraine shoot it down?

Hell, it could even be a maintenance failure. Russia is known to have severe maintenance problems with it's submarine fleet at the very least. For the crew to not bail out and end up dying though? Sounds like something happened to incapacitate them before the plane crashed, which points to a shootdown. That is no guarantee , since crew die all the time when large bombers/transportcraft crash, but still ...

Kaltovar wrote:

Esthe wrote:Was this due to human error or did Ukraine shoot it down?

Hell, it could even be a maintenance failure. Russia is known to have severe maintenance problems with it's submarine fleet at the very least. For the crew to not bail out and end up dying though? Sounds like something happened to incapacitate them before the plane crashed, which points to a shootdown. That is no guarantee , since crew die all the time when large bombers/transportcraft crash, but still ...

Either way, it’s nice to see the Russians are getting some casualties.

Saiwania wrote:Warfare is good, but it shouldn't extend to dooming the entire planet or our species.

I am yet to see a single good take from you, you are very impressive with just how consistently dogshit your takes are.

Esthe wrote:

Kaltovar wrote:
Hell, it could even be a maintenance failure. Russia is known to have severe maintenance problems with it's submarine fleet at the very least. For the crew to not bail out and end up dying though? Sounds like something happened to incapacitate them before the plane crashed, which points to a shootdown. That is no guarantee , since crew die all the time when large bombers/transportcraft crash, but still ...

Either way, it’s nice to see the Russians are getting some casualties.

I feel bad agreeing with you because of this one Russian soldier I've had a fling with, but again, they literally are just invading another country for no reason so ... Not like it's undeserved. I just hope none of my friends are the Russians being the casualties. I wish time would rewind and this war would never happen - But if it's going to happen, it's beneficial to everyone besides Russia if Russia takes as many casualties as possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60k3RcF-53o

This video from TYT hasn't aged well. They accused legacy media of scaremongering when it appears they were right all along about Russia invading.

Saiwania wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60k3RcF-53o

This video from TYT hasn't aged well. They accused legacy media of scaremongering when it appears they were right all along about Russia invading.

In fairness, 99.99% of the time legacy media is just scaremongering, so it's not an unreasonable take to have.

Saiwania wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60k3RcF-53o

This video from TYT hasn't aged well. They accused legacy media of scaremongering when it appears they were right all along about Russia invading.

The Young Turks probably also think the Armenian Genocide is legacy media scaremongering.

The North Polish Union wrote:

Saiwania wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60k3RcF-53o

This video from TYT hasn't aged well. They accused legacy media of scaremongering when it appears they were right all along about Russia invading.

The Young Turks probably also think the Armenian Genocide is legacy media scaremongering.

There's no probably about it, Cenk Uygur's on record as saying similar.

Shrillland wrote:

The North Polish Union wrote:The Young Turks probably also think the Armenian Genocide is legacy media scaremongering.

There's no probably about it, Cenk Uygur's on record as saying similar.

Very progressive of them

Kubra wrote:

Ifreann wrote:That is rather the point of having them.

Who said that NATO wouldn't use their nuclear weapons?

The point of having them is to use them? I think you'll have to tell everyone else, seeing as the closest we can ever say we have got to the bomb going off since nagasaki has largely been technical failures and accidents, rather than actual intent.

Do you think Russia built a nuclear arsenal purely for decoration?

Oho, so you think we might press the big ol' button over little ol' ukraine, then?

I don't especially credit any of the governments involved with good decision making skills.

The Alma Mater wrote:

El Lazaro wrote:It’s a given that Romania (and Moldova) is both a hoax and the worst country in Europe, but there are other countries that could have some use. I would guess Russia is more motivated by strategic positions rather than resources, so sea access, proximity, and potential to connect supply chains would probably make some countries more ideal. They also put distance between NATO and Moscow, which gives Russia a considerably more comfortable position in a hypothetical war.

Does it ?
Let's be frank here - the brunt of NATO is provided by the USA. And despite the most common world maps suggesting otherwise, the shortest route from the USA to Russia is not through Europe.

NATO is an alliance and would ostensibly cooperate during a war. Having military bases, infrastructure, and supplies that close to the enemy would be pretty helpful. I don’t think the US currently is prepared to trigger a war in east Asia or transport entire armies through the Arctic. Turkey is a kind of hesitant ally, Georgia hardly can defend itself (much less stage US armies for invasion) and forcing our way through southwest Asia seems like a political nightmare, if militarily possible. I don’t think Mongolia needs to be addressed even. While they’re all technically possible, they’re far from ideal. Anyways, any counterattack presupposes a war where allies are already being invaded, so lots of personnel would already be stationed in Europe.

It’s at moments like these that I find myself after 15 minutes on social media I want to scream “get the fuck over yourself”. Not to people posting about it, but people posting about people posting about it.

El Lazaro wrote:

The Alma Mater wrote:
Does it ?
Let's be frank here - the brunt of NATO is provided by the USA. And despite the most common world maps suggesting otherwise, the shortest route from the USA to Russia is not through Europe.

NATO is an alliance and would ostensibly cooperate during a war. Having military bases, infrastructure, and supplies that close to the enemy would be pretty helpful. I don’t think the US currently is prepared to trigger a war in east Asia or transport entire armies through the Arctic. Turkey is a kind of hesitant ally, Georgia hardly can defend itself (much less stage US armies for invasion) and forcing our way through southwest Asia seems like a political nightmare, if militarily possible. I don’t think Mongolia needs to be addressed even. While they’re all technically possible, they’re far from ideal. Anyways, any counterattack presupposes a war where allies are already being invaded, so lots of personnel would already be stationed in Europe.

An Asian front war however would have the nice benefit of Putin needing to move his troops out of the Ukraine and to the other side of the country.

Ifreann wrote:

Kubra wrote: The point of having them is to use them? I think you'll have to tell everyone else, seeing as the closest we can ever say we have got to the bomb going off since nagasaki has largely been technical failures and accidents, rather than actual intent.

Do you think Russia built a nuclear arsenal purely for decoration?

Oho, so you think we might press the big ol' button over little ol' ukraine, then?

I don't especially credit any of the governments involved with good decision making skills.

No: to ensure no one could be sure that they were absolutely sure that they would not use them. Even if one were absolutely sure, they could not say they were positively sure of their absolute assuredness.
As I said: nukes have value in war by their existence, not their use. Their use is, again, pretty piss poor in that regard.
I dunno, governments have generally been making the decision not to use nukes, for, hoo, soon it'll be a century. And again: if even the pakistani's won't yet, well that says volumes on what everyone else feels, dunnit?

Cannot think of a name wrote:It’s at moments like these that I find myself after 15 minutes on social media I want to scream “get the fuck over yourself”. Not to people posting about it, but people posting about people posting about it.

Me normally: "People are pretty cool"

Me reading the comment section: "The world must be cleansed by fire."

The North Polish Union wrote:"The An-26 plane of the Air Force of Russia crashed in the Woroneż region, the crew died, according to Western Military District." (via TASS News Agency)

The BBC I think have had a picture up of that for a few hours without any mention of what it was. I couldn't work it out from the wreckage.

Tarsonis wrote:Me reading the comment section: "The world must be cleansed by fire."

Ya' better be careful with this sort wishing. Given the situation, gods might grant this one. I'll just pray, that war ends as fast as possible. Hear, gods! Hear me! This dude just joked! Don't grant this wish!

Sky Reavers wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:Me reading the comment section: "The world must be cleansed by fire."

Ya' better be careful with this sort wishing. Given the situation, gods might grant this one. I'll just pray, that war ends as fast as possible.

I'm cool with it. In another billion years life will evolve again, maybe they'll do better.


In the meantime though, stay safe.

Prima Scriptura wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
Why? Why would he even need to?

He’s going to win just fine without it.

Why? Because Putin is a psychopath. Once Ukraine falls, you can see in an invasion of the Baltic states by Putin within months

Yeah there’s no proof of that. You’re just fear mongering.