The Invasion of Ukraine, Russia Threatens Finland/Sweden

[The Commonwealth of Tennessee]

Didn't even know that about the Senate, learn something new on NSG everyday lmao.

You too can spend like ten minutes watching CGP Grey and pretend to be knowledgeable on US Senate procedure!

Wonder if he'll do a video oversimplifying the conflict or not. Seems like it'd be up his alley.

[Orostan]

Man still had the nuclear codes. He'd have done something silly.

A lot of people have to give confirmation before nukes can actually be launched. I don’t think we were in real danger of that happening.

The issue is nukes being used by accident in a high tension situation. Nuclear use would be because of mistakes that have happened in the past and only narrowly allowed the survival of humanity.

This is the attitude that causes a nuclear war.

Have you experienced a nuclear war?

I certainly hope none of us will, which is why I support de-escalation and a quick Russian victory.

[Adamede]

Yah I don't see it. This isn't Syria where it's a shit storm of dozens of different factions in at least 4 way civil war and anything can happen. This is a war where Russia is THE major belligerent. NATO intervention would be war against Russia. Putin likely isn't bluffing with his nuclear threats, and it's not a risk I would be willing to take.

Yes I'm talking about war with Russia. Nukes create a threat to Russian existence where the threat does not exist if Russia isn't directly attacked. Putin is definitely bluffing, he is attempting to escalate to deescalate he's puffing up so the big scary predators he just pissed off go away unfortunately we've already seen he's a toad and carrying out his threats gains him nothing.

No I think he's very real with those threats because he knows a NATO intervention would see his forces in Ukraine annihilated, especially now that we've seen how incompetent the Russians appear to be.

[Des-Bal]

NATO is the bully, Russia is doing nothing wrong.

Yeah Poland was coming right at him! Oh sorry wrong warmongering dickhead.

[Adamede]

Sometimes it is nice to watch bullies get bullied, or at least stood up to.

NATO is the bully, Russia is doing nothing wrong.

Cringe and unbased take.

[Diopolis]

Why? The entire point of nukes is that nobody wants to use them. If anyone does it, everyone dies. Nukes aren’t just a toy to send over whenever you’re upset at something.

Yah, and that's why Russia wouldn't attack NATO airbases where jets are being delivered to the Ukrainians.

Russian doctrine explicitly calls for strategic strikes on airbases in safehavens and authorizes commanders to use low yield nuclear weapons.

[Senkaku]

Whenever a Republican says that Biden "hasn't done enough" to stop Russia in Ukraine, they are implicitly telling you one of 3 things: they want a nuclear war, only a conservative authoritarian strongman could get Putin to stop (i.e., become Putin to stop Putin), or some combination of the other two.

Refuse to buy into it.

The republican narrative appears to be that Trump threatened a nuclear war and Putin backed down. I don't find this implausible for the simple reason that it sounds like something Trump would do(he was, umm, seemingly fond of nuclear weapons) and Putin was sane prior to his year and a half of total isolation.

I mean, Trump's also the guy who tried to use lethal aid as a bargaining chip to get Zelensky to manufacture political dirt for him, which puts Dem Russiagate-type narratives at a comparable level of credibility. Americans love to assume that things we did or didn't do are the reason that stuff's happening in the world, but if we could suspend our narcissism for a moment I think this conflict may have more complex roots than an American presidential transition.

Disabling nearby airbases with nuke is impractical and totally overkill, why wouldn’t Russia use conventional weapons if they chose to?

I think you're misunderstanding mean. I'm not talking about Russia using nukes on military bases (however if there was an actual war they would), I'm saying that if Russia attacked NATO airbases because of supplied Jets being given to Ukraine are flying out of them, then that would spark a war between Russia and NATO which would quickly turn nuclear.

Yeah, it would, which is why there's no way the Russians are going to do it. The jets are just weapons, same as the missiles and artillery the West is sending, if they haven't started a wider war over it yet then it seems pretty unlikely they'll start one just as they're getting maximally bogged down in their initial goals.

The republican narrative appears to be that Trump threatened a nuclear war and Putin backed down. I don't find this implausible for the simple reason that it sounds like something Trump would do(he was, umm, seemingly fond of nuclear weapons) and Putin was sane prior to his year and a half of total isolation.

Putin waited for a weak president.

When it's sunny where you live, do you stare apprehensively skyward and say that God waited for an untanned, sunburn-prone president?

[Adamede]

NATO is the bully, Russia is doing nothing wrong.

Yeah Poland was coming right at him! Oh sorry wrong warmongering dickhead.

What's funny is that the Germanys did the exact same style of falseflag attacks that the Russians did.

[Free Algerstonia]

This is so annoying. Can all American posters stop discussing internal American politic for this instance? We have discussed your domestics for years now, current situation is bigger than red v blue.

Please someone tell twitter and American media that.

I will say the reputation of Amero-centrism that American culture has acquired is well deserved.

so you support american imperialism and north atlantic tyranny order

[Des-Bal]

No I think he's very real with those threats because he knows a NATO intervention would see his forces in Ukraine annihilated, especially now that we've seen how incompetent the Russians appear to be.

A nuclear war does not prevent his forces from being annihilated it just ensures his forces in Russia will also be annihilated.

[El Lazaro]

I think it’s boring when people throw ”fascist” around lightly, but would it still be unfair if I just start calling Putin shills Nazis? All of the arguments that justify invasion have literally been Nazi-tier bs or actual Nazis salivating over ethnonationalist warmongering.

[Orostan]

NATO is the bully, Russia is doing nothing wrong.

Very curious to see you explain this in a little more depth, if you don't mind.

NATO has been expanding as far as it could since 1991 in violation of agreements it had with the USSR and Russia. It is doing this because the west has never been able to fully control Russia and wants to encircle Russia. It is better for Russia to launch a war against a Ukraine which is run in large part by nazis, makes its intention to join NATO and create an unacceptable security problem for Russia known, and has recently talked about having nuclear weapons. This invasion will save lives in the long term.

[Senkaku]

Yah, and that's why Russia wouldn't attack NATO airbases where jets are being delivered to the Ukrainians.

Russian doctrine explicitly calls for strategic strikes on airbases in safehavens and authorizes commanders to use low yield nuclear weapons.

They seem hesitant about even using heavy artillery against urban areas or targeting the power grid, I think we can safely say they don't have plans to start using nukes against Ukraine or NATO unless something very unexpected (like a full-scale American intervention) happens.

[Adamede]

Yah, and that's why Russia wouldn't attack NATO airbases where jets are being delivered to the Ukrainians.

Russian doctrine explicitly calls for strategic strikes on airbases in safehavens and authorizes commanders to use low yield nuclear weapons.

Yah I know. Read my other comment. They're not going to because they don't want to be wiped off the face of the earth along with everyone else in the Northern Hemisphere.

[Jerzylvania]

Where did I say that nuclear war was going to happen? I'm just saying why Russia isn't going to nuke the west for supplying Ukraine with weapons and supplies.

Disabling nearby airbases with nuke is impractical and totally overkill, why wouldn’t Russia use conventional weapons if they chose to?

They won't use the nukes. Chernobyl was an early objective and for good reason. To protect soldiers from unsettling the radioactive dust in it's decaying sarcophagus. Why do that if nukes are on the table?

[Grenartia]

Whenever a Republican says that Biden "hasn't done enough" to stop Russia in Ukraine, they are implicitly telling you one of 3 things: they want a nuclear war, only a conservative authoritarian strongman could get Putin to stop (i.e., become Putin to stop Putin), or some combination of the other two.

Refuse to buy into it.

The republican narrative appears to be that Trump threatened a nuclear war and Putin backed down. I don't find this implausible for the simple reason that it sounds like something Trump would do(he was, umm, seemingly fond of nuclear weapons) and Putin was sane prior to his year and a half of total isolation.

Trump threatened a nuclear war? Fucking when? Between breaths while fellating Putin's ego on the world stage?

[Free Algerstonia]

I think it’s boring when people throw ”fascist” around lightly, but would it still be unfair if I just start calling Putin shills Nazis? All of the arguments that justify invasion have literally been Nazi-tier bs or actual Nazis salivating over ethnonationalist warmongering.

nazis do not support self-determination and nazis do not support states that call themselves people's republics

[Adamede]

Please someone tell twitter and American media that.

I will say the reputation of Amero-centrism that American culture has acquired is well deserved.

so you support american imperialism and north atlantic tyranny order

lol try harder dude, otherwise you may get a pay cut

[Ethel mermania]

Much like the first world War, getting to nuclear war is a process. Widening the war to include the use of nato airbases, even just in a ferrying role, using those bases is a step forward in that process

No it's not, Russia is already using Belarusian bases so it's simply a counter-measure. Should NATO just bend over and let Russia use all it's springboards without giving Ukraine some base support? Nuclear war won't happen.

Here is the thing, what you think is rational doesn’t count. Your finger isn't on the button, Putin's is. Every step closer just opens up the opportunity for escalation. I am not saying its going to occur, much like the Cuban missle crises which got much closer than today, it becomes a legitimate concern.

[The African Emirates]

Please someone tell twitter and American media that.

I will say the reputation of Amero-centrism that American culture has acquired is well deserved.

so you support american imperialism and north atlantic tyranny order

Yes, and?

[Adamede]

No I think he's very real with those threats because he knows a NATO intervention would see his forces in Ukraine annihilated, especially now that we've seen how incompetent the Russians appear to be.

A nuclear war does not prevent his forces from being annihilated it just ensures his forces in Russia will also be annihilated.

Yah and it would also see the west annihilated, which means they'll take his threat seriously and not intervene.

[Latvijas Otra Republika]

A lot of people have to give confirmation before nukes can actually be launched. I don’t think we were in real danger of that happening.

The issue is nukes being used by accident in a high tension situation. Nuclear use would be because of mistakes that have happened in the past and only narrowly allowed the survival of humanity.

Have you experienced a nuclear war?

I certainly hope none of us will, which is why I support de-escalation and a quick Russian victory.

Putin achieved zero of his projected day-one aims and has killed countless of Russian boys, they should leave and cut their loses already. It's been an international humiliation. If they want nuclear De-escalation then they should leave and stop the war.

[Grenartia]

The republican narrative appears to be that Trump threatened a nuclear war and Putin backed down. I don't find this implausible for the simple reason that it sounds like something Trump would do(he was, umm, seemingly fond of nuclear weapons) and Putin was sane prior to his year and a half of total isolation.

Putin waited for a weak president.

If that were true, he would have done something while Trump was in office and openly questioning the need for NATO.

[Free Algerstonia]

so you support american imperialism and north atlantic tyranny order

lol try harder dude, otherwise you may get a pay cut

im paid in rubles the west is already destroying my pay stop taunting me

[The Grand World Order]

I think it’s boring when people throw ”fascist” around lightly, but would it still be unfair if I just start calling Putin shills Nazis? All of the arguments that justify invasion have literally been Nazi-tier bs or actual Nazis salivating over ethnonationalist warmongering.

I got into this discussion last night

A right-wing authoritarian state doing mean things does not a Fascism make. Superficially, his actions seem a match, but Russia does not nor has it ever displayed any of the more nuanced philosophies and beliefs of Fascism.