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NATO should decline these demands and begin preparing for WW3 to break out.
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NATO should decline these demands and hope it's fine and/or limited to the invasion of Ukraine.
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NATO should negotiate.
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NATO should accept these demands.
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Postby TheFlyingDutchman » Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:30 am

Vassenor wrote:
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My IP address is in Phoenix, Arizona, man. I just don’t approve of the increasingly unilateral and aggressive foreign policy of the corporate Western regimes.


So basically Tucker Carlson said the US should be siding with Russia and you brought it.


So, when the West invades Iraq and Afghanistan and bombs the hell out of Libya, it is okay. But when Russia tries to stand up against threats on its own borders. it's wrong?

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:31 am

TheFlyingDutchman wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So basically Tucker Carlson said the US should be siding with Russia and you brought it.


So, when the West invades Iraq and Afghanistan and bombs the hell out of Libya, it is okay. But when Russia tries to stand up against threats on its own borders. it's wrong?


Now show the class where I said that.
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Postby Kilobugya » Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:35 am

Missing option : NATO should just disband. It's nothing but an aggressive imperialist force to enforce USA supremacy around the world, and has absolutely no justification beside that.
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Postby Catalonia 2070 RP » Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:38 am

Kilobugya wrote:Missing option : NATO should just disband. It's nothing but an aggressive imperialist force to enforce USA supremacy around the world, and has absolutely no justification beside that.

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Postby -Astoria- » Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:45 am

Kilobugya wrote:Missing option : NATO should just disband. It's nothing but an aggressive imperialist force to enforce USA supremacy around the world, and has absolutely no justification beside that.

I'm sure "meddling in others' internal affairs" is next, too.
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:05 pm

TheFlyingDutchman wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So basically Tucker Carlson said the US should be siding with Russia and you brought it.


So, when the West invades Iraq and Afghanistan and bombs the hell out of Libya, it is okay. But when Russia tries to stand up against threats on its own borders. it's wrong?


What threat? What is Ukraine supposed to do to Russia?

Russia has literally been taking territory from them.
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Postby New Tryphalia » Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:07 pm

Vassenor wrote:
New Tryphalia wrote:
My IP address is in Phoenix, Arizona, man. I just don’t approve of the increasingly unilateral and aggressive foreign policy of the corporate Western regimes.


So basically Tucker Carlson said the US should be siding with Russia and you brought it.


Or you were told lies by the military industrial complex and the national security establishment and you believed them. I don’t give a fig about Tucker Carlson and I seldom watch Fox or the Dem cheerleader channels, either. Try reading the Nation sometimes.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:15 pm

Even if we take the possible threat from NATO to Russia at face value, it’s not like Russian troops are actually trying to threaten NATO. Almost like Putin just needs some bullshit reason to have over a hundred thousand reasons near Ukraine for some unknowable reason…

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Postby Hemakral » Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:57 pm

New Tryphalia wrote:I just don’t approve of the increasingly unilateral and aggressive foreign policy of the corporate Western regimes.

And I agree with that, but simping for an overt imperialist to spite capitalist warmongers is not a good strategy
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Postby Umeria » Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:04 pm

Hemakral wrote:
New Tryphalia wrote:I just don’t approve of the increasingly unilateral and aggressive foreign policy of the corporate Western regimes.

And I agree with that, but simping for an overt imperialist to spite capitalist warmongers is not a good strategy

Wasn't the original claim "other countries are capable of diplomacy"? How is that unreasonable?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:13 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
TheFlyingDutchman wrote:
So, when the West invades Iraq and Afghanistan and bombs the hell out of Libya, it is okay. But when Russia tries to stand up against threats on its own borders. it's wrong?


What threat? What is Ukraine supposed to do to Russia?

Russia has literally been taking territory from them.

Countries that don't want to be invaded by Russia: *defends themselves*

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Postby Prima Scriptura » Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:25 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
What threat? What is Ukraine supposed to do to Russia?

Russia has literally been taking territory from them.

Countries that don't want to be invaded by Russia: *defends themselves*

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Postby Alkmaaria » Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:49 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
TheFlyingDutchman wrote:
So, when the West invades Iraq and Afghanistan and bombs the hell out of Libya, it is okay. But when Russia tries to stand up against threats on its own borders. it's wrong?


What threat? What is Ukraine supposed to do to Russia?

Russia has literally been taking territory from them.


The Ukrainians pose a threat of actually trying to defend their homeland.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:57 pm

Alkmaaria wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
What threat? What is Ukraine supposed to do to Russia?

Russia has literally been taking territory from them.


The Ukrainians pose a threat of actually trying to defend their homeland.


Don’t you know, only Russia has a right to defend itself. No other Eastern European country has a right to defend its’ borders.
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Postby TheFlyingDutchman » Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:16 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
TheFlyingDutchman wrote:
So, when the West invades Iraq and Afghanistan and bombs the hell out of Libya, it is okay. But when Russia tries to stand up against threats on its own borders. it's wrong?


What threat? What is Ukraine supposed to do to Russia?

Russia has literally been taking territory from them.


Russia took Crimea for good reason. The Ukrainian government was overthrown in a Western-backed coup and was replaced by a russophobic fascist regime. The people of Crimea were understandably terrified, so Russia decided to protect them. The people wanted it and welcomed becoming a part of the Russian Federation.

USA invades other countries for no reason. Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya are all victims of Western aggression against non-threats. It is the West that the world needs to be wary of, not Russia.

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Postby Untecna » Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:18 pm

TheFlyingDutchman wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
What threat? What is Ukraine supposed to do to Russia?

Russia has literally been taking territory from them.


Russia took Crimea for good reason. The Ukrainian government was overthrown in a Western-backed coup and was replaced by a russophobic fascist regime. The people of Crimea were understandably terrified, so Russia decided to protect them. The people wanted it and welcomed becoming a part of the Russian Federation.

USA invades other countries for no reason. Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya are all victims of Western aggression against non-threats. It is the West that the world needs to be wary of, not Russia.

One hell of a hot take, too bad it's gonna remain an uninformed hot take...
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Postby TheFlyingDutchman » Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:20 pm

Untecna wrote:
TheFlyingDutchman wrote:
Russia took Crimea for good reason. The Ukrainian government was overthrown in a Western-backed coup and was replaced by a russophobic fascist regime. The people of Crimea were understandably terrified, so Russia decided to protect them. The people wanted it and welcomed becoming a part of the Russian Federation.

USA invades other countries for no reason. Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya are all victims of Western aggression against non-threats. It is the West that the world needs to be wary of, not Russia.

One hell of a hot take, too bad it's gonna remain an uninformed hot take...


Only if you only follow Western imperialist media. The West is a predator and the rest of the world is the prey.

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Postby Untecna » Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:21 pm

TheFlyingDutchman wrote:
Untecna wrote:One hell of a hot take, too bad it's gonna remain an uninformed hot take...


Only if you only follow Western imperialist media. The West is a predator and the rest of the world is the prey.

Wow... it just gets better. :rofl:
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:23 pm

Untecna wrote:
TheFlyingDutchman wrote:
Only if you only follow Western imperialist media. The West is a predator and the rest of the world is the prey.

Wow... it just gets better. :rofl:


Quite honestly, his arguments are not unique to himself. There is another set of Russia defenders that actually want Russia to annex countries because they hate Western democracy, this includes people like Tucker Carlson
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Postby Untecna » Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:25 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Untecna wrote:Wow... it just gets better. :rofl:


Quite honestly, his arguments are not unique to himself. There is another set of Russia defenders that actually want Russia to annex countries because they hate Western democracy, this includes people like Tucker Carlson

No shit Tucker hates Western democracy, that's why he's on Fox News.
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Postby TheFlyingDutchman » Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:26 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Untecna wrote:Wow... it just gets better. :rofl:


Quite honestly, his arguments are not unique to himself. There is another set of Russia defenders that actually want Russia to annex countries because they hate Western democracy, this includes people like Tucker Carlson


Lots of countries love democracy, but can't have it because of Western aggression and imperialism.

Who is Tucker Carlson? I see his name sometimes but don't know who he is.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:26 pm

TheFlyingDutchman wrote:
Untecna wrote:One hell of a hot take, too bad it's gonna remain an uninformed hot take...


Only if you only follow Western imperialist media. The West is a predator and the rest of the world is the prey.


You say that like its a bad thing.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:27 pm

TheFlyingDutchman wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
What threat? What is Ukraine supposed to do to Russia?

Russia has literally been taking territory from them.


Russia took Crimea for good reason. The Ukrainian government was overthrown in a Western-backed coup and was replaced by a russophobic fascist regime. The people of Crimea were understandably terrified, so Russia decided to protect them. The people wanted it and welcomed becoming a part of the Russian Federation.

USA invades other countries for no reason. Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya are all victims of Western aggression against non-threats. It is the West that the world needs to be wary of, not Russia.


Russia said that Russia was justified and therefore it must be true.
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Postby TheFlyingDutchman » Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:28 pm

Vassenor wrote:
TheFlyingDutchman wrote:
Russia took Crimea for good reason. The Ukrainian government was overthrown in a Western-backed coup and was replaced by a russophobic fascist regime. The people of Crimea were understandably terrified, so Russia decided to protect them. The people wanted it and welcomed becoming a part of the Russian Federation.

USA invades other countries for no reason. Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya are all victims of Western aggression against non-threats. It is the West that the world needs to be wary of, not Russia.


America said that America was justified and therefore it must be true.


Tell that to the innocents of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Grenada, Vietnam, and so many other poor countries.

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Postby Untecna » Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:28 pm

TheFlyingDutchman wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
Quite honestly, his arguments are not unique to himself. There is another set of Russia defenders that actually want Russia to annex countries because they hate Western democracy, this includes people like Tucker Carlson


Lots of countries love democracy, but can't have it because of Western aggression and imperialism.

Who is Tucker Carlson? I see his name sometimes but don't know who he is.

  1. Russian democracy isn't democracy.
  2. He's an anchor on Fox News, and the replacement for Bill O'Reilly's slot a few years back. As with most on Fox News, he's really right-wing.
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