The Invasion of Ukraine, Russia Threatens Finland/Sweden

[Bulgar Rouge]

Nothing unhinged about Russia's demands, this is the tried and tested art of brinkmanship.

But even if Russia invades, they don't need to hold Ukraine. They'll just do something similar to the second Iraq War - go in, topple the government, install and stabilize a friendly regime, and then "withdraw completely" in exchange for sanctions relief. NATO is irrelevant to the situation as much as it tries to present itself as relevant.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Political Islamists are not aware of the importance of the Montreux Straits Convention With the Kanal Istanbul occupation project, the United States wants to carry the war to the Marmara Sea.The military lands of the US soldiers in the Dedeağaç region are the biggest proof of this. The Turkish government, loyal to our NATO allies, should follow a policy of neutrality, as it did in the second world war.

[GB and Ireland]

Political Islamists are not aware of the importance of the Montreux Straits Convention With the Kanal Istanbul occupation project, the United States wants to carry the war to the Marmara Sea.The military lands of the US soldiers in the Dedeağaç region are the biggest proof of this. The Turkish government, loyal to our NATO allies, should follow a policy of neutrality, as it did in the second world war.

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What does this have to do with the Russia-NATO issue?

[Juristonia]

Political Islamists are not aware of the importance of the Montreux Straits Convention With the Kanal Istanbul occupation project, the United States wants to carry the war to the Marmara Sea.The military lands of the US soldiers in the Dedeağaç region are the biggest proof of this. The Turkish government, loyal to our NATO allies, should follow a policy of neutrality, as it did in the second world war.

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If you don't want to be called an Imperialist, stop looking for lebensraum in Kurdistan. It's not yours and they don't want you. And this thread is not about Turkish nationalist wet dreams.

I second this last sentiment.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Political Islamists are not aware of the importance of the Montreux Straits Convention With the Kanal Istanbul occupation project, the United States wants to carry the war to the Marmara Sea.The military lands of the US soldiers in the Dedeağaç region are the biggest proof of this. The Turkish government, loyal to our NATO allies, should follow a policy of neutrality, as it did in the second world war.

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What does this have to do with the Russia-NATO issue?

Sorry, I guess I should have been more clear. Russia and America want to cross freely to fight in the Marmara Sea, and political Islam also supports this. The Montreux Straits Convention is the most important agreement that prevents this. This is not a nato russia cold war, unfortunately it is a possible war threat between the usa and russia.
We dont want war.

[Lord Dominator]

All the ships thus far have been going to the Black Sea, pretty sure no one wants to get in a war on some sea that’s basically internal to Turkey.

Edit: Or get in a naval battle in general (or any war) in the Black Sea, but deterrence is a thing.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

All the ships thus far have been going to the Black Sea, pretty sure no one wants to get in a war on some sea that’s basically internal to Turkey.

Edit: Or get in a naval battle in general (or any war) in the Black Sea, but deterrence is a thing.

Look, laws are binding texts. Do you think we will let the Montreux Convention perish? We do not want war, we do not want blood, those who pursue imperialist interests should stay away from the European Union states.Throughout their history, political Islamists have thought of money in their pockets, not people. The Channel Istanbul occupation project is both a political occupation project and an eco-genocide.

[GB and Ireland]

All the ships thus far have been going to the Black Sea, pretty sure no one wants to get in a war on some sea that’s basically internal to Turkey.

Edit: Or get in a naval battle in general (or any war) in the Black Sea, but deterrence is a thing.

Look, laws are binding texts. Do you think we will let the Montreux Convention perish? We do not want war, we do not want blood, those who pursue imperialist interests should stay away from the European Union states.Throughout their history, political Islamists have thought of money in their pockets, not people. The Channel Istanbul occupation project is both a political occupation project and an eco-genocide.

None of this has anything to do with "political islamists".

[Lord Dominator]

All the ships thus far have been going to the Black Sea, pretty sure no one wants to get in a war on some sea that’s basically internal to Turkey.

Edit: Or get in a naval battle in general (or any war) in the Black Sea, but deterrence is a thing.

Look, laws are binding texts. Do you think we will let the Montreux Convention perish? We do not want war, we do not want blood, those who pursue imperialist interests should stay away from the European Union states.Throughout their history, political Islamists have thought of money in their pockets, not people. The Channel Istanbul occupation project is both a political occupation project and an eco-genocide.

Wut?

I’m literally saying I don’t think there’s going to be war in either that sea internal to Turkey or in the Black Sea - and especially not in the way of violations of said treaty. At most, maybe Russia goes after Ukraine with whatever navy they have there.

[Dogmeat]

What does this have to do with the Russia-NATO issue?

Sorry, I guess I should have been more clear. Russia and America want to cross freely to fight in the Marmara Sea, and political Islam also supports this. The Montreux Straits Convention is the most important agreement that prevents this. This is not a nato russia cold war, unfortunately it is a possible war threat between the usa and russia.
We dont want war.

Oh my god. This isn't about you. No one cares about the stupid canal.

[TheFlyingDutchman]

I wonder how Biden would react if Mexico joined the CSTO and allowed Russia to build permnanent military bases there. Would he respect Mexico's sovereignty and decision, or would he act the same way that Putin has at NATO's continuous expansion to Russian borders? I am really curious.

[Hemakral]

I wonder how Biden would react if Mexico joined the CSTO and allowed Russia to build permnanent military bases there. Would he respect Mexico's sovereignty and decision, or would he act the same way that Putin has at NATO's continuous expansion to Russian borders? I am really curious.

People who chose option four on the poll be like: "haha yeah I'm not a bot"

[Neanderthaland]

I wonder how Biden would react if Mexico joined the CSTO and allowed Russia to build permnanent military bases there. Would he respect Mexico's sovereignty and decision, or would he act the same way that Putin has at NATO's continuous expansion to Russian borders? I am really curious.

We already ran this experiment in the 60s.

[Deblar]

I wonder how Biden would react if Mexico joined the CSTO and allowed Russia to build permnanent military bases there. Would he respect Mexico's sovereignty and decision, or would he act the same way that Putin has at NATO's continuous expansion to Russian borders? I am really curious.

Well, the US didn't blatantly annex, say, Baja California like Russia did Crimea, so Mexico would have no incentive to join to protect from more of its land being taken. Ukraine's a different story.

[Rusozak]

I wonder how Biden would react if Mexico joined the CSTO and allowed Russia to build permnanent military bases there. Would he respect Mexico's sovereignty and decision, or would he act the same way that Putin has at NATO's continuous expansion to Russian borders? I am really curious.

We already ran this experiment in the 60s.

That's what's so messed up about it. We've done this already and been on both sides of it. And the first time we came so scary close to nuclear war the American and Russian leaders were assassinated and couped respectively (depending how you look at it). Both sides should know better.

[TheFlyingDutchman]

I wonder how Biden would react if Mexico joined the CSTO and allowed Russia to build permnanent military bases there. Would he respect Mexico's sovereignty and decision, or would he act the same way that Putin has at NATO's continuous expansion to Russian borders? I am really curious.

Well, the US didn't blatantly annex, say, Baja California like Russia did Crimea, so Mexico would have no incentive to join to protect from more of its land being taken. Ukraine's a different story.

I thought that America did take land from Mexico.

[Neanderthaland]

We already ran this experiment in the 60s.

From an outside perspective, it really does look like the West has been unfair to Russia.

Well that experiment ended with Kennedy promising to never invade Cuba, and to withdraw US missiles from Turkey in exchange for a withdrawal of Soviet missiles from Cuba. And Cuba was allowed to remain in the Soviet sphere.

Whereas, in this case, the Ukraine hasn't even joined the American sphere of influence. And is being pre-emptively invaded for just thinking about it. And the only reason they are thinking about it is so they won't be invaded.

So no. It doesn't.

[Balheim]

Well, the US didn't blatantly annex, say, Baja California like Russia did Crimea, so Mexico would have no incentive to join to protect from more of its land being taken. Ukraine's a different story.

I thought that America did take land from Mexico.

Yeah, a massive amount of land, including all of california, utah, and california was annexed in the Mexican-American War and subsequent Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

[Hemakral]

From an outside perspective, it really does look like the West has been unfair to Russia.

So no. It doesn't.

guess he didn't delete fast enough

[TheFlyingDutchman]

I thought that America did take land from Mexico.

Yeah, a massive amount of land, including all of california, utah, and california was annexed in the Mexican-American War and subsequent Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

Yeah. It's interesting how both America and Russia think that they are goodies and that the other are the badies. From an outside perspective, it looks less like Batman vs Mr. Freeze and more like the Joker vs Mr. Freeze.

[Hemakral]

Two-day account with no posts comes to the aid of zero-day account with no posts

hmm

[Balheim]

Yeah, a massive amount of land, including all of california, utah, and california was annexed in the Mexican-American War and subsequent Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

Yeah. It's interesting how both America and Russia think that they are goodies and that the other are the badies. From an outside perspective, it looks less like Batman vs Mr. Freeze and more like the Joker vs Mr. Freeze.

I just wish that the three largest nations in the world weren't all corrupt and oppressive.

[Neanderthaland]

Yeah, a massive amount of land, including all of california, utah, and california was annexed in the Mexican-American War and subsequent Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

Yeah. It's interesting how both America and Russia think that they are goodies and that the other are the badies. From an outside perspective, it looks less like Batman vs Mr. Freeze and more like the Joker vs Mr. Freeze.

So America is frequently guilty of doing terrible things, and we shouldn't sugar-coat that.

But comparing things that the US did 170 years ago, to things that the Russian Federation is doing now, is a bit silly.

[TheFlyingDutchman]

Yeah. It's interesting how both America and Russia think that they are goodies and that the other are the badies. From an outside perspective, it looks less like Batman vs Mr. Freeze and more like the Joker vs Mr. Freeze.

I just wish that the three largest nations in the world weren't all corrupt and oppressive.

It's like George Orwell's 1984.

[Neanderthaland]

I just wish that the three largest nations in the world weren't all corrupt and oppressive.

It's like George Orwell's 1984.

It really isn't.