The Invasion of Ukraine, Russia Threatens Finland/Sweden

[Kowani]

..let's not pretend your little fashy friends are anything more than an outlier

I suspect that in private, the situation is much different. Russia dislikes all the major political groups they don't like and are seemingly a match on culture war issues more so than what Democrats want to do on foreign policy. There are plenty of "I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat" shirts.

russia banned evangelizing outside of churches and mostly uses that ban to arrest protestants lmao
like the backtrack here is hilarious because seeing you run headfirst into the realization that you're on the outskirts of the right is amazing but "enemy of my enemy is my friend" isn't everyone's calculus

are you serious

We need to seriously discuss all actions we can take that will not result in outright nuclear war and to enact them.

If declaring a no fly zone would hurt Russia but they lack the stones to retaliate with nuclear launch, then we should enact a no fly zone.

Ukraine has asked for one. We could at the very least declare a no fly zone over "Non-contested Ukrainian territory" and give the Russians a few hours to get their planes away. Then what's their argument?

Pissing and moaning about how we won't let them use planes outside of their sovereign territory or the "Territory" of their "Allies"?

are you serious

Yes. We should consider it. I think it could be done. What could Russia realistically do to us in response? We should at least look at it.

the sheer refusal to consider the idea that russia might deploy nuclear weapons in response to a shooting war is incredible to me but it does make sense when you're hopped up on warfever

[Ostroeuropa]

I suspect that in private, the situation is much different. Russia dislikes all the major political groups they don't like and are seemingly a match on culture war issues more so than what Democrats want to do on foreign policy. There are plenty of "I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat" shirts.

russia banned evangelizing outside of churches and mostly uses that ban to arrest protestants lmao
like the backtrack here is hilarious because seeing you run headfirst into the realization that you're on the outskirts of the right is amazing but "enemy of my enemy is my friend" isn't everyone's calculus

We need to seriously discuss all actions we can take that will not result in outright nuclear war and to enact them.

If declaring a no fly zone would hurt Russia but they lack the stones to retaliate with nuclear launch, then we should enact a no fly zone.

Ukraine has asked for one. We could at the very least declare a no fly zone over "Non-contested Ukrainian territory" and give the Russians a few hours to get their planes away. Then what's their argument?

Pissing and moaning about how we won't let them use planes outside of their sovereign territory or the "Territory" of their "Allies"?

Yes. We should consider it. I think it could be done. What could Russia realistically do to us in response? We should at least look at it.

the sheer refusal to consider the idea that russia might deploy nuclear weapons in response to a shooting war is incredible to me but it does make sense when you're hopped up on warfever

We cannot live in fear of Russia.

[New Baltenstein]

Russia probably wants to put Zelenskyy and others on "trial" to expose their supposed crimes and to legitimize their invasion.

And that won’t win them any friends or sympathy only enrage Ukrainians further.

Russia doesn't seem to care about the information war at this point any more. They will be an isolated pariah quasi nazi state in the eyes of everyone except China and maybe the likes of Maduro but it doesn't matter.

The bigger issue is, how do they plan to control 40 million people who rightfully hate them indefinitely?

[El Lazaro]

By the way.

Putin isn't even in Moscow.

JUST IN CASE this escalates, he's not even in the city. He's in his bunker somewhere. (Though to be fair it may be a tactical command center that is incidentally not there).

That's really cool. I wonder what this bunker would look like and how many guards there would be.

If you’re still interested in enlisting in an army, I hear the rebels are taking just about anyone in Donetsk. Unless you’re scared?

[Antipatros]

Russian troops are foraging/looting supplies from civilians

Figures. Their military units are sparse in terms of organic logistics support and heavily rely on resupply from railheads.

[Umeria]

What could Russia realistically do to us in response?

This kind of reasoning is extremely dangerous. What if Russia has the same attitude? "It's okay if we escalate the situation further because they would be too scared to respond in kind" turns into a nuclear war if both sides do it.

[New Baltenstein]

That's really cool. I wonder what this bunker would look like and how many guards there would be.

Speaking of distasteful posts, I see IM is laser focused on knocking any competition out of the water.

It's a close run between IM and Sai, but I think the latter is still in the lead.

[Adamede]

By the way.

Putin isn't even in Moscow.

JUST IN CASE this escalates, he's not even in the city. He's in his bunker somewhere. (Though to be fair it may be a tactical command center that is incidentally not there).

That's really cool. I wonder what this bunker would look like and how many guards there would be.

I was about to ask what the hell is wrong with you then I remembered you supported the PRC cracking down and destroying Hong Kong’s democracy

[The Lone Alliance]

the sheer refusal to consider the idea that russia might deploy nuclear weapons in response to a shooting war is incredible to me but it does make sense when you're hopped up on warfever

And then we'll deploy nuclear weapons right back and Russia as the nation will cease to exist in a nuclear fireball. Such a good win condition for Putin.

[Kerwa]

Republicans/Conservatives in the US are predominately splitting into 3 main camps on this issue, with just one being anti-Russia.

The neo-cons or establishment are backing Ukraine and are against Russia's invasion, all the traditional "hawks" that favor more US/NATO interventionism.

You have the pro-Russia camp that is skeptical about criticism of Putin/Russia and instead see good things from him and what they represent.
Lastly, there is the "who cares" camp where there is belief that the US shouldn't get involved and is bewildered as to why Joe Biden/Democrats want to.

Virtually no-one sees good things from Putin and what he represents. And the few who do really need to rethink their lives.

[Adamede]

are you serious

Yes. We should consider it. I think it could be done. What could Russia realistically do to us in response? We should at least look at it.

Light of the midnight sun and all that.

[San Lumen]

And that won’t win them any friends or sympathy only enrage Ukrainians further.

Russia doesn't seem to care about the information war at this point any more. They will be an isolated pariah quasi nazi state in the eyes of everyone except China and maybe the likes of Maduro but it doesn't matter.

The bigger issue is, how do they plan to control 40 million people who rightfully hate them indefinitely?

You can’t which means prolonged conflict and large amounts of causalities and destruction.

[El Lazaro]

What could Russia realistically do to us in response?

This kind of reasoning is extremely dangerous. What if Russia has the same attitude? "It's okay if we escalate the situation further because they would be too scared to respond in kind" turns into a nuclear war if both sides do it.

A conventional war in which neither nuclear power is even attacked carries zero risk of nuclear Armageddon. Stop fear-mongering just because Russia’s talking tough now, it’s what they want you to do.

[Adamede]

..let's not pretend your little fashy friends are anything more than an outlier

I suspect that in private, the situation is much different. Russia dislikes all the major political groups they don't like and are seemingly a match on culture war issues more so than what Democrats want to do on foreign policy. There are plenty of "I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat" shirts.

So anti-American treason.

[Kannap]

Russia probably wants to put Zelenskyy and others on "trial" to expose their supposed crimes and to legitimize their invasion.

And that won’t win them any friends or sympathy only enrage Ukrainians further.

And you think Putin cares about that?

[The Lone Alliance]

Yes. We should consider it. I think it could be done. What could Russia realistically do to us in response? We should at least look at it.

Light of the midnight sun and all that.

And we can give that right back to them.
And what's left of Mankind gets to hear about how a Man called Putin in the radioactive dustbowl formerly known as Russia decided to end the world because of his own inferiority complex.

So yes the idea that Putin's first response to any sort of reaction by NATO will be "AHH MOTHERLAND!!!!!!" is retarded.

[Jerzylvania]

That's really cool. I wonder what this bunker would look like and how many guards there would be.

Speaking of distasteful posts, I see IM is laser focused on knocking any competition out of the water.

I see...

Predicting she pleads no lo contendero to that charge.

[Adamede]

Allegedly, Russia plans to use indiscriminate shelling and thermobaric weapons to handle resistance inside Kyiv

That is why in order to spare the Capital from destruction, the Ukrainian government should declare the city open. They should send the armed people to the rural areas to harass the invaders. A new capital city should be declared in Lviv (former capital of the Kingdom of Ruthenia and seventh largest city in Ukraine). Its located 69 km. (43 miles) from the Polish border.
Location map of Lviv - https://gdb.voanews.com/DA2C6F24-5696-4 ... _r1_st.jpg

Russia’s main advantage is heavy combat vehicles. Being out in the open is where they function best. Urban combat is where their effectiveness is almost nullified.

[Kannap]

Speaking of distasteful posts, I see IM is laser focused on knocking any competition out of the water.

It's a close run between IM and Sai, but I think the latter is still in the lead.

Nah, Sai is posting as expected and people are responding about how bad his posts are as expected, the forum works.

IM is fantasizing about Putin's "cool" bunker and how it looks while there's literally a Russian invasion of Ukraine going on, like what?

[Saiwania]

This whole situation might be "Legacy of the Sith" come to life, more than Bioware intended. Ukraine can be the battlefield (Manaan), whilst the invading Russians are the Sith empire whilst NATO can be the Jedi defenders if they wind up sending a secret general to help oversee the counteroffensive/defense efforts.

Only what resource does Ukraine have if it isn't Kolto (magical healing substance)?

[Port Caverton]

By the way.

Putin isn't even in Moscow.

JUST IN CASE this escalates, he's not even in the city. He's in his bunker somewhere. (Though to be fair it may be a tactical command center that is incidentally not there).

That's really cool. I wonder what this bunker would look like and how many guards there would be.

You should be in Gitmo for that comment

[Novus America]

I suspect that in private, the situation is much different. Russia dislikes all the major political groups they don't like and are seemingly a match on culture war issues more so than what Democrats want to do on foreign policy. There are plenty of "I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat" shirts.

russia banned evangelizing outside of churches and mostly uses that ban to arrest protestants lmao
like the backtrack here is hilarious because seeing you run headfirst into the realization that you're on the outskirts of the right is amazing but "enemy of my enemy is my friend" isn't everyone's calculus

We need to seriously discuss all actions we can take that will not result in outright nuclear war and to enact them.

If declaring a no fly zone would hurt Russia but they lack the stones to retaliate with nuclear launch, then we should enact a no fly zone.

Ukraine has asked for one. We could at the very least declare a no fly zone over "Non-contested Ukrainian territory" and give the Russians a few hours to get their planes away. Then what's their argument?

Pissing and moaning about how we won't let them use planes outside of their sovereign territory or the "Territory" of their "Allies"?

Yes. We should consider it. I think it could be done. What could Russia realistically do to us in response? We should at least look at it.

the sheer refusal to consider the idea that russia might deploy nuclear weapons in response to a shooting war is incredible to me but it does make sense when you're hopped up on warfever

I disagree. “Let anyone with nukes rape and pillage as they want cause nukes scary” is morally bankrupt and based on false premises. I am not advocating we spread it to bombing Russian territory in Europe. Keep it only to Ukraine.

Global freedom is dying. It has been in drastic decline for the past 7 years. What are you willing to do about it?

We have to get out of this downward spiral. Maybe this is the safest way.

I am not saying we 100% do it yet. But remember Turkey shot down some Russian planes. Russia could not do much then either. They did not nuke Turkey.

[Latorik]

This whole situation might be "Legacy of the Sith" come to life, more than Bioware intended. Ukraine can be the battlefield (Manaan), whilst the invading Russians are the Sith empire whilst NATO can be the Jedi defenders if they wind up sending a secret general to help oversee the counteroffensive/defense efforts.

Only what resource does Ukraine have if it isn't Kolto (magical healing substance)?

What the fuck are you babbling about

[Umeria]

This kind of reasoning is extremely dangerous. What if Russia has the same attitude? "It's okay if we escalate the situation further because they would be too scared to respond in kind" turns into a nuclear war if both sides do it.

A conventional war in which neither nuclear power is even attacked carries zero risk of nuclear Armageddon. Stop fear-mongering just because Russia’s talking tough now, it’s what they want you to do.

The policy being discussed is a no-fly zone, which entails shooting down Russian aircraft. That's a nuclear power attacking another nuclear power.

Light of the midnight sun and all that.

And we can give that right back to them.
And what's left of Mankind gets to hear about how a Man called Putin in the radioactive dustbowl formerly known as Russia decided to end the world because of his own inferiority complex.

You're talking about the lives of billions. This isn't a video game.

[Kannap]

This whole situation might be "Legacy of the Sith" come to life, more than Bioware intended. Ukraine can be the battlefield (Manaan), whilst the invading Russians are the Sith empire whilst NATO can be the Jedi defenders if they wind up sending a secret general to help oversee the counteroffensive/defense efforts.

Only what resource does Ukraine have if it isn't Kolto (magical healing substance)?

You're aware this isn't a video game, right?