The Invasion of Ukraine, Russia Threatens Finland/Sweden

[Novus America]

in an act of solidarity, I have broken my alliance with Russia in my current TW: Empire campaign. Profitable as it was, Poland- Lithuania will not stand for this blatant aggression

I'm personally boycotting all Russian and Belarusian products and services.

I would, if I knew of any.

[Kowani]

because idiocy is bipartisan, Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) is calling for the US to enforce a no-fly-zone over Ukraine

I am not sure this is idiocy. Russia’s nuclear threshold is much higher, and we do not need boots on the ground fighting.
Why is this inherently so bad? It is the only way to stop the war.

They are fighting so bravely while we just watch them die.

It would be morally right no doubt. I still question of the cost is worth it but I cannot reject it out of hand.

are you serious

[Tarsonis]

That would be insane if Ukrainian forces in the east broke through and advanced on Moscow. I mean, they'd get annihilated, but it'd be an oh shit moment for sure

Russia is too far to try to advance through, why not try to seize Belarus instead if Ukraine had such an opening available? It is from where one axis of attack was from.

See Scipio vs Hannibal, 202 B.C

[Saiwania]

..let's not pretend your little fashy friends are anything more than an outlier

I suspect that in private, the situation is much different. Russia dislikes all the major political groups they don't like and are seemingly a match on culture war issues more so than what Democrats want to do on foreign policy. There are plenty of "I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat" shirts.

[Ostroeuropa]

I am not sure this is idiocy. Russia’s nuclear threshold is much higher, and we do not need boots on the ground fighting.
Why is this inherently so bad? It is the only way to stop the war.

They are fighting so bravely while we just watch them die.

It would be morally right no doubt. I still question of the cost is worth it but I cannot reject it out of hand.

are you serious

We need to seriously discuss all actions we can take that will not result in outright nuclear war and to enact them.

If declaring a no fly zone would hurt Russia but they lack the stones to retaliate with nuclear launch, then we should enact a no fly zone.

Ukraine has asked for one. We could at the very least declare a no fly zone over "Non-contested Ukrainian territory" and give the Russians a few hours to get their planes away. Then what's their argument?

Pissing and moaning about how we won't let them use planes outside of their sovereign territory or the "Territory" of their "Allies"?

[Antipatros]

I'm personally boycotting all Russian and Belarusian products and services.

I would, if I knew of any.

For me, it mostly means the end of World of Tanks.

[El Lazaro]

Republicans/Conservatives in the US are predominately splitting into 3 main camps on this issue, with just one being anti-Russia.

The neo-cons or establishment are backing Ukraine and are against Russia's invasion, all the traditional "hawks" that favor more US/NATO interventionism.
You have the pro-Russia camp that is skeptical about criticism of Putin and instead see good things from him and what he represents.
Lastly, there is the "who cares" camp where there is belief that the US shouldn't get involved and is bewildered as to why Joe Biden/Democrats want to.

You’re over complicating this, there’s the “America is worth salvaging” camp and the “fuck America” camp, with people who wouldn’t remove their heads from the sand if their city was being bombed making up the third group. If America is doomed, it is solely because its people are utterly hopeless.

[Novus America]

I am not sure this is idiocy. Russia’s nuclear threshold is much higher, and we do not need boots on the ground fighting.
Why is this inherently so bad? It is the only way to stop the war.

They are fighting so bravely while we just watch them die.

It would be morally right no doubt. I still question of the cost is worth it but I cannot reject it out of hand.

are you serious

Yes. We should consider it. I think it could be done. What could Russia realistically do to us in response? We should at least look at it.

[The Lone Alliance]

The US has stated they are prepared to evacuate Zelensky. Which presumably means a small number of US troops will enter the area if requested.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... ly-target/

Worryingly, the Prime Minister (the one next in line) is also still with him. This is a good plan to ensure continuation of government.

They could be counting on the fact that the easiest way to get Ukraine to surrender would be to catch them alive, which means Russia is going to have to be careful what forces they target in Kyiv.

[Mestovakia]

I would, if I knew of any.

For me, it mostly means the end of World of Tanks.

For me, War Thunder.

[Space Squid]

Pornhub sanctions Russia by blocking Russians access to its contents.

It's good to see someone taking sanctions seriously.

[Rio Cana]

Allegedly, Russia plans to use indiscriminate shelling and thermobaric weapons to handle resistance inside Kyiv

That is why in order to spare the Capital from destruction, the Ukrainian government should declare the city open. They should send the armed people to the rural areas to harass the invaders. A new capital city should be declared in Lviv (former capital of the Kingdom of Ruthenia and seventh largest city in Ukraine). Its located 69 km. (43 miles) from the Polish border.
Location map of Lviv - https://gdb.voanews.com/DA2C6F24-5696-4 ... _r1_st.jpg

[Novus America]

are you serious

We need to seriously discuss all actions we can take that will not result in outright nuclear war and to enact them.

If declaring a no fly zone would hurt Russia but they lack the stones to retaliate with nuclear launch, then we should enact a no fly zone.

This. At least we should do a proper cost benefit analysis.

They are doing far more to defend western civilization then we are, and this might be one of our last chances to save western civilization. The world is going to shot so fast, radical action is needed to change the course. We are in a downward spiral, sometime we have to do something beyond waiting to hit the ground.

The status quo is the slow death of global freedom. So we have to look at how to change it. Maybe this is the way.

I am no chicken hawk. If they want me to go on a ship in the Black Sea to enforce it I would go.

[New Baltenstein]

..let's not pretend your little fashy friends are anything more than an outlier

I suspect that in private, the situation is much different. Russia dislikes all the major political groups they don't like and are seemingly a match on culture war issues more so than what Democrats want to do on foreign policy. There are plenty of "I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat" shirts.

Figures, many far-right types throughout Europe prefered selling out their countries to the German occupation rather than standing up for them too.

[New Baltenstein]

Allegedly, Russia plans to use indiscriminate shelling and thermobaric weapons to handle resistance inside Kyiv

That is why in order to spare the Capital from destruction, the Ukrainian government should declare the city open. They should send the armed people to the rural areas to harass the invaders. A new capital city should be declared in Lviv (former capital of the Kingdom of Ruthenia and seventh largest city in Ukraine). Its located 69 km. (43 miles) from the Polish border.

A bloodless and swift takeover is exatly what the Russians want. Naturally, the Ukranians won't give it to them.

[The Lone Alliance]

Really Belarus should get the same level of sanctions as Russia, they allowed Russia to use their country as an invasion point, they should suffer the consequences.

[Malaiya Union]

Worryingly, the Prime Minister (the one next in line) is also still with him. This is a good plan to ensure continuation of government.

Do they really have anywhere to go? Russia will stop at nothing to capture/kill them.

I mean, exile in Poland is a good start. Although departing for Lviv first may also be possible.

[San Lumen]

Really Belarus should get the same level of sanctions as Russia, they allowed Russia to use their country as an invasion point, they should suffer the consequences.

I agree.

[Antipatros]

Worryingly, the Prime Minister (the one next in line) is also still with him. This is a good plan to ensure continuation of government.

They could be counting on the fact that the easiest way to get Ukraine to surrender would be to catch them alive, which means Russia is going to have to be careful what forces they target in Kyiv.

Russia probably wants to put Zelenskyy and others on "trial" to expose their supposed crimes and to legitimize their invasion.

[New Baltenstein]

Really Belarus should get the same level of sanctions as Russia, they allowed Russia to use their country as an invasion point, they should suffer the consequences.

Belarus is little more than one giant Russian military base at this point.

[San Lumen]

They could be counting on the fact that the easiest way to get Ukraine to surrender would be to catch them alive, which means Russia is going to have to be careful what forces they target in Kyiv.

Russia probably wants to put Zelenskyy and others on "trial" to expose their supposed crimes and to legitimize their invasion.

And that won’t win them any friends or sympathy only enrage Ukrainians further.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Republicans/Conservatives in the US are predominately splitting into 3 main camps on this issue, with just one being anti-Russia.

The neo-cons or establishment are backing Ukraine and are against Russia's invasion, all the traditional "hawks" that favor more US/NATO interventionism.

You have the pro-Russia camp that is skeptical about criticism of Putin/Russia and instead see good things from him and what they represent.
Lastly, there is the "who cares" camp where there is belief that the US shouldn't get involved and is bewildered as to why Joe Biden/Democrats want to.

I wish the number of Republican Ukraine supporters on this poll were higher, but it is a majority of us Republicans. I have posted links of credible news sources to the Black Forrest proving President Trump was tough on Russia. I have posted links of credible news sources to TJR proving the real views of President Trump on Russia and Ukraine at war. I respect all persons rights to their different views on all issues I wish the number of Republican Ukraine supporters on this poll were higher, but it is a majority of us Republicans. I have posted links of credible news sources to the Black Forrest proving President Trump was tough on Russia. I have posted links of credible news sources proving the real views of President Trump on Russia and Ukraine at war. I respect all persons rights to their views on all issues. I wish the number of Republican Ukraine supporters on this poll were higher, but it is a majority of us Republicans. I have posted links of credible news sources to the Black Forrest proving President Trump was tough on Russia. I have posted links of credible news sources proving the real views of President Trump on Russia and Ukraine at war.
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/4bmkoc0k8o/ ... Report.pdf

[Kannap]

By the way.

Putin isn't even in Moscow.

JUST IN CASE this escalates, he's not even in the city. He's in his bunker somewhere. (Though to be fair it may be a tactical command center that is incidentally not there).

That's really cool. I wonder what this bunker would look like and how many guards there would be.

Speaking of distasteful posts, I see IM is laser focused on knocking any competition out of the water.

[Mestovakia]

They could be counting on the fact that the easiest way to get Ukraine to surrender would be to catch them alive, which means Russia is going to have to be careful what forces they target in Kyiv.

Russia probably wants to put Zelenskyy and others on "trial" to expose their supposed crimes and to legitimize their invasion.

The show trials, all over again.

[The Lone Alliance]

Allegedly, Russia plans to use indiscriminate shelling and thermobaric weapons to handle resistance inside Kyiv

That is why in order to spare the Capital from destruction, the Ukrainian government should declare the city open. They should send the armed people to the rural areas to harass the invaders. A new capital city should be declared in Lviv (former capital of the Kingdom of Ruthenia and seventh largest city in Ukraine). Its located 69 km. (43 miles) from the Polish border.
Location map of Lviv - https://gdb.voanews.com/DA2C6F24-5696-4 ... _r1_st.jpg

That's a retarded idea. Rural combat will just let the Russians slaughter them in the fields, city combat is hell for an invader.

Trying to make Lviv the new Vichy Ukraine is surrender talk.