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NATO should decline these demands and begin preparing for WW3 to break out.
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NATO should decline these demands and hope it's fine and/or limited to the invasion of Ukraine.
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NATO should negotiate.
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NATO should accept these demands.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:47 pm

Free Algerstonia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Did you miss the other things I mentioned?

you forgot to mention all the people that could die my boy


Of course that would be awful as well.

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Postby Picairn » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:48 pm

Kathol Rift wrote:

I'm seeing some sources saying he's at least up to six now. They're calling him "The Ghost of Kyiv." Might be propaganda, but if it inspires Ukrainian people I'm all for it.

Sadly, it may actually be propaganda. The guy who invented the story was a Scottish gaming account, who later admitted he did not have sources for it and had the fucking audacity to suggest selling merch off his own hoax. A load of crap honestly, and I won't believe the Ghost is real until more concrete info comes out. https://mobile.twitter.com/Sc0ttishKoal ... 9947671552
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Holy Nacimerian Empire
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Postby Holy Nacimerian Empire » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:48 pm

Mendit Key wrote:
Nora Xent wrote:Good job! Now Washington D.C is now a pile of nuclear ashes. I hope you planned for a nuclear war.

They will do it anyway. Two months or a year from now. Munich 1938: "Let's not declare war on Germany, before they bomb London"... "Let's not be beastie to the Hun.."

Then everyone succumbs to Radation and the human race goes extinct.

And this is why Im happy everyone cant become a ruler of a nation
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Nora Xent
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Postby Nora Xent » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:50 pm

Holy Nacimerian Empire wrote:
Mendit Key wrote:They will do it anyway. Two months or a year from now. Munich 1938: "Let's not declare war on Germany, before they bomb London"... "Let's not be beastie to the Hun.."

Then everyone succumbs to Radation and the human race goes extinct.

And this is why Im happy everyone cant become a ruler of a nation

Humanity probably will survive. We all probably won't and will either be killed during the first nuclear strikes, or by the mass-famine after that.

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El Lazaro
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Postby El Lazaro » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:50 pm

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Saiwania wrote:Warfare is good, but it shouldn't extend to dooming the entire planet or our species.

I am yet to see a single good take from you, you are very impressive with just how consistently dogshit your takes are.

You are talking about an actual Nazi. If anything, they’ve gotten worse since 1945 because today’s neo-Nazism has literally zero correct aspects. You can’t even say “At least they recognize the importance of infrastructure” or something that should be impossible to disagree with. Fascists these days are in an arms race to have completely and thoroughly wrong views to the point of absurdity.

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Pangurstan
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Postby Pangurstan » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:50 pm

Holy Nacimerian Empire wrote:
Mendit Key wrote:They will do it anyway. Two months or a year from now. Munich 1938: "Let's not declare war on Germany, before they bomb London"... "Let's not be beastie to the Hun.."

Then everyone succumbs to Radation and the human race goes extinct.

And this is why Im happy everyone cant become a ruler of a nation

If people can live in Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the bombs were dropped, they can live with the fallout from a nuclear war.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:51 pm

Pangurstan wrote:
Holy Nacimerian Empire wrote:Then everyone succumbs to Radation and the human race goes extinct.

And this is why Im happy everyone cant become a ruler of a nation

If people can live in Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the bombs were dropped, they can live with the fallout from a nuclear war.


Enough with the nuclear war talk. It’s not going to happen.

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Mendit Key
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Postby Mendit Key » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:51 pm

Holy Nacimerian Empire wrote:
Mendit Key wrote:They will do it anyway. Two months or a year from now. Munich 1938: "Let's not declare war on Germany, before they bomb London"... "Let's not be beastie to the Hun.."

Then everyone succumbs to Radation and the human race goes extinct.

And this is why Im happy everyone cant become a ruler of a nation

The odds of him ever going nuclear are small anyway. Why ? Because not a single millimetre of Russian soil will be free from radiation if he does so. Better act now - before the next war is in your own backyard. You know - back in my father's day, there was an expression: "Rather an (American) missile in my backyard, than a Russian (soldier) in my kitchen !"

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Postby Militant Costco » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:51 pm

Mendit Key wrote:
Nora Xent wrote:Good job! Now Washington D.C is now a pile of nuclear ashes. I hope you planned for a nuclear war.

They will do it anyway. Two months or a year from now. Munich 1938: "Let's not declare war on Germany, before they bomb London"... "Let's not be beastie to the Hun.." You don't negotiate with Nazi's and fascists. Ever. They cannot be reasoned with. That's what history has shown us. Or at least to those who paid attention in school. Mere sanctions did not stop Japan from bombing Pearl Harbor anyway.

Yeah but who's gonna look like the bad guys if WE fired the nukes first?
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Postby Vikanias » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:51 pm

El Lazaro wrote:
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Hope you stay safe man, you are our boots on the ground here.

I’m watching a camera livestream, I’m not actually in Ukraine oml.

Here’s the link if you want to watch it yourself: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HIPNVm6lNfM
liveuamap.com is pretty convenient for observing too. Twitter is the fastest to update, but there’s a fair bit of misinfo and hoaxes on there.


Well still hope you stay safe.
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El Lazaro
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Postby El Lazaro » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:52 pm

Picairn wrote:
Kathol Rift wrote:I'm seeing some sources saying he's at least up to six now. They're calling him "The Ghost of Kyiv." Might be propaganda, but if it inspires Ukrainian people I'm all for it.

Sadly, it may actually be propaganda. The guy who invented the story was a Scottish gaming account, who later admitted he did not have sources for it and had the fucking audacity to suggest selling merch off his own hoax. A load of crap honestly, and I won't believe the Ghost is real until more concrete info comes out. https://mobile.twitter.com/Sc0ttishKoal ... 9947671552

The phrasing sounds like he jumped on a story he heard, is there other context that makes this more clear?

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Mendit Key
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Postby Mendit Key » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:52 pm

Militant Costco wrote:
Mendit Key wrote:They will do it anyway. Two months or a year from now. Munich 1938: "Let's not declare war on Germany, before they bomb London"... "Let's not be beastie to the Hun.." You don't negotiate with Nazi's and fascists. Ever. They cannot be reasoned with. That's what history has shown us. Or at least to those who paid attention in school. Mere sanctions did not stop Japan from bombing Pearl Harbor anyway.

Yeah but who's gonna look like the bad guys if WE fired the nukes first?

Who cares ? It's not like he didn't start the war. We just pre-empt the inevitable attack on us.

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Nora Xent
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Postby Nora Xent » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:52 pm

Militant Costco wrote:
Mendit Key wrote:They will do it anyway. Two months or a year from now. Munich 1938: "Let's not declare war on Germany, before they bomb London"... "Let's not be beastie to the Hun.." You don't negotiate with Nazi's and fascists. Ever. They cannot be reasoned with. That's what history has shown us. Or at least to those who paid attention in school. Mere sanctions did not stop Japan from bombing Pearl Harbor anyway.

Yeah but who's gonna look like the bad guys if WE fired the nukes first?

That will only matter for about half an hour or so before all of the nuclear weapons have hit their targets.

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Holy Nacimerian Empire
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Postby Holy Nacimerian Empire » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:52 pm

Nora Xent wrote:
Holy Nacimerian Empire wrote:Then everyone succumbs to Radation and the human race goes extinct.

And this is why Im happy everyone cant become a ruler of a nation

Humanity probably will survive. We all probably won't and will either be killed during the first nuclear strikes, or by the mass-famine after that.

But creating a hell that sets humans back 600 years in progress doesnt seem like the best thing to do, right?
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Postby Dreria » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:53 pm

Nora Xent wrote:
Mendit Key wrote:The correct way to return his missive would be to fold it up and strap it to a Minuteman ICBM. To be shoved right up his backside. There should be no Munich 1938 or Poland 1939 redux. Better return fire now, before we are next in line to be chopped up and invaded.

Good job! Now Washington D.C is now a pile of nuclear ashes. I hope you planned for a nuclear war.

That would be an improvement
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Nuloerkun
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Postby Nuloerkun » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:53 pm

Novus America wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
Astute.


But gives us an option. Tell the PRC they have to choose. If they pick Russia we keep increasing tariffs on them indefinitely. (Even if they do what we want move the goal posts, never drop them regardless).

Make the PRC pay. Then Russia is really fucked.



I don't think that is possible, Xi could just nuke the eastern seaboard off the map before 10 years pass by (unless he dies beforehand). We need the whole world to stop him; I feel like the best option would be to form closer ties with India, Myanmar and Thailand.
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El Lazaro
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Postby El Lazaro » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:55 pm

Vikanias wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:I’m watching a camera livestream, I’m not actually in Ukraine oml.

Here’s the link if you want to watch it yourself: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HIPNVm6lNfM
liveuamap.com is pretty convenient for observing too. Twitter is the fastest to update, but there’s a fair bit of misinfo and hoaxes on there.


Well still hope you stay safe.

Thanks and you too, but don’t worry. I’m in North America, something would have to go surreally wrong to put me in any danger.

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Holy Nacimerian Empire
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Postby Holy Nacimerian Empire » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:55 pm

Dreria wrote:
Nora Xent wrote:Good job! Now Washington D.C is now a pile of nuclear ashes. I hope you planned for a nuclear war.

That would be an improvement

You have it backwards, Nucelar Ash is not an improvement when the city was once a forest teeming with life

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Thanks and you too, but don’t worry. I’m in North America, something would have to go surreally wrong to put me in any danger.[/quote] Luckily the chance of that happening is extremly low
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Postby Picairn » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:55 pm

El Lazaro wrote:The phrasing sounds like he jumped on a story he heard, is there other context that makes this more clear?

The guy later admitted he was repeating stuff on Discord, lol.
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Mendit Key
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Postby Mendit Key » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:55 pm

Holy Nacimerian Empire wrote:
Nora Xent wrote:Humanity probably will survive. We all probably won't and will either be killed during the first nuclear strikes, or by the mass-famine after that.

But creating a hell that sets humans back 600 years in progress doesnt seem like the best thing to do, right?

Did you ever check Soviet attack plans on Western Europe ? They are freely available online now - so I distinctly remember one such plan where they would nuke Western Europe and the United States without a declaration of war - and then invade while we were unprepared. And, yes, I am talking civilian targets: I mean they had 12 nuclear bombs ready for my country alone. Note: without even a declaration of war.
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Holy Nacimerian Empire
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Postby Holy Nacimerian Empire » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:57 pm

Mendit Key wrote:
Holy Nacimerian Empire wrote:But creating a hell that sets humans back 600 years in progress doesnt seem like the best thing to do, right?

Did you ever check Soviet attack plans on Western Europe ? They are freely available online now - so I distinctly remember one such plan where they would nuke Western Europe and the United States without a declaration of war - and then invade while we were unprepared.

And in that senario everyone dies and no one wins, Meaning the leader at the time of such an attack would be responsable for the deaths of Billions, giving them the highest kill count in history
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Postby Pangurstan » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:58 pm

Top Pentagon official: Russian troops 20 miles from Kyiv
A top Pentagon official told lawmakers Thursday that Russian troops are just 20 miles from the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, according to a source on the call.

The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Mark Milley, made the comments in an unclassified call with House lawmakers, the source said.

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, who was also on the call, described the current phase of the Russian military operation as the tip of the spear as the vast majority of Russian troops are still farther back, a person on the call and a senior defense official said.

Without providing a timeline, Austin said he expects the next phase to involve more Russian forces and focus on consolidating gains in populations centers, the member on the call and the senior defense official said. He also warned that civilians could be killed and injured, especially by missile and air strikes, a senior defense official said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... crd1289858

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Mendit Key
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Postby Mendit Key » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:58 pm

Holy Nacimerian Empire wrote:
Mendit Key wrote:Did you ever check Soviet attack plans on Western Europe ? They are freely available online now - so I distinctly remember one such plan where they would nuke Western Europe and the United States without a declaration of war - and then invade while we were unprepared.

And in that senario everyone dies and no one wins, Meaning the leader at the time of such an attack would be responsable for the deaths of Billions, giving them the highest kill count in history

Clearly being a peacenik doesn't work - when the other side is quite willing to off you. Just because they can.

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Postby UIJ » Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:00 pm

Picairn wrote:Wait, has Sky Reavers evacuated out of Kyiv? I remember that they live there, and it's under fire right now.

Just heard from him, he's safe and hasn't been drafted. He's on the outskirts so he should be fine
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Holy Nacimerian Empire
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Postby Holy Nacimerian Empire » Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:00 pm

Mendit Key wrote:
Holy Nacimerian Empire wrote:And in that senario everyone dies and no one wins, Meaning the leader at the time of such an attack would be responsable for the deaths of Billions, giving them the highest kill count in history

Clearly being a peacenik doesn't work - when the other side is quite willing to off you. Just because they can.

In a situation where no one would win Peace is the best option.

UIJ wrote:
Picairn wrote:Wait, has Sky Reavers evacuated out of Kyiv? I remember that they live there, and it's under fire right now.

Just heard from him, he's safe and hasn't been drafted. He's on the outskirts so he should be fine

Thats good to hear
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