what do you like or dislike about Russia?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

America and Russia need to be better buddies.

Didn't Gorbachev tried this in junction with Reagan?

[Risottia]

America and Russia need to be better buddies.

Didn't Gorbachev tried this in junction with Reagan?

Yep, and it didn't end too well for Russia, did it?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

America and Russia need to be better buddies.

Didn't Gorbachev tried this in junction with Reagan?

Yep, and it didn't end too well for Russia, did it?

Tbh, I can't quite recall.

[Self--Esteem]

I have always disliked the way the Czarist line was disposed of.

Completely? Efficiently? Quickly?

Inhumane, cruel, blood thirsty.

^This.
I can understand disposing of the Czar and the Czarina. But executing the children, was that necessary? Nicholas II himself had already signed a document ending the Czarist line. Why execute the kids too?

I don't get why they executed anyone. The Czar ended the Czarist line, so it was unnecessary. He didn't commit genocide (other than what Lenists want us to believe) and neither did the Czarina. In fact, the Czarina was a major speaker for the poorer people and had a long standing friendship with Rasputin.

If there was reason to lynch anyone, it should have been the murderers of Rasputin.

He didn't commit genocide, true, and yet that's what history wants people to remember the last Romanov czar and czarina as, genocidal maniacs. I read an article on this, but it was such a long time ago I don't remember much of the particulars anymore. I have always wondered why, though, were they executed so brutally on the light that Nicholas II had already ended the line's claim to the throne with the act of abdication. He fully acknowledged the rise of the Bolcheviks and their government.

It is Lenin's fault they were executed in this outmost brutal sense.

I just recently watched Hammer & Tickle, a documentary about the Soviets and the way humour in the USSR was handled.
The first part talks about Lenin and what a cynical monster he actually was. People swear that they have never seen him laughing a single day and thus he outlawed what little happiness remained in the Soviet Union.

I suppose he would fit the description of a genocidal maniac pretty well and have no doubts that a genocide would have been the outcome, if he didn't die weakened from those various heart attacks.

[Risottia]

I have always disliked the way the Czarist line was disposed of.

Completely? Efficiently? Quickly?

Inhumane, cruel, blood thirsty.

^This.

I can understand disposing of the Czar and the Czarina. But executing the children, was that necessary? Nicholas II himself had already signed a document ending the Czarist line. Why execute the kids too?

I don't get why they executed anyone. The Czar ended the Czarist line, so it was unnecessary.

Morally unnecessary? Yes, I agree - most executions are morally unnecessary anyway.
Politically, well... iirc, the Reds were afraid that the Whites were about to free them and use a Romanov as rallying flag - that's why they killed the whole family.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I have always disliked the way the Czarist line was disposed of.

Completely? Efficiently? Quickly?

Inhumane, cruel, blood thirsty.

^This.
I can understand disposing of the Czar and the Czarina. But executing the children, was that necessary? Nicholas II himself had already signed a document ending the Czarist line. Why execute the kids too?

I don't get why they executed anyone. The Czar ended the Czarist line, so it was unnecessary. He didn't commit genocide (other than what Lenists want us to believe) and neither did the Czarina. In fact, the Czarina was a major speaker for the poorer people and had a long standing friendship with Rasputin.

If there was reason to lynch anyone, it should have been the murderers of Rasputin.

He didn't commit genocide, true, and yet that's what history wants people to remember the last Romanov czar and czarina as, genocidal maniacs. I read an article on this, but it was such a long time ago I don't remember much of the particulars anymore. I have always wondered why, though, were they executed so brutally on the light that Nicholas II had already ended the line's claim to the throne with the act of abdication. He fully acknowledged the rise of the Bolcheviks and their government.

It is Lenin's fault they were executed in this outmost brutal sense.

I just recently watched Hammer & Tickle, a documentary about the Soviets and the way humour in the USSR was handled.
The first part talks about Lenin and what a cynical monster he actually was. People swear that they have never seen him laughing a single day and thus he outlawed what little happiness remained in the Soviet Union.

I suppose he would fit the description of a genocidal maniac pretty well and have no doubts that a genocide would have been the outcome, if he didn't die weakened from those various heart attacks.

I found this:

...on 2 March (Julian Calendar)/ 15 March (Gregorian Calendar) 1917, Nicholas II chose to abdicate. He firstly abdicated in favour of Tsarevich Alexei, but swiftly changed his mind after advice from doctors that the heir would not live long apart from his parents who would be forced into exile. Nicholas drew up a new manifesto naming his brother, Grand Duke Michael, as the next Emperor of all the Russias. He issued the following statement (which was suppressed by the Provisional Government):

"In the days of the great struggle against the foreign enemies, who for nearly three years have tried to enslave our fatherland, the Lord God has been pleased to send down on Russia a new heavy trial. Internal popular disturbances threaten to have a disastrous effect on the future conduct of this persistent war. The destiny of Russia, the honor of our heroic army, the welfare of the people and the whole future of our dear fatherland demand that the war should be brought to a victorious conclusion whatever the cost. The cruel enemy is making his last efforts, and already the hour approaches when our glorious army together with our gallant allies will crush him. In these decisive days in the life of Russia, We thought it Our duty of conscience to facilitate for Our people the closest union possible and a consolidation of all national forces for the speedy attainment of victory. In agreement with the Imperial Duma We have thought it well to renounce the Throne of the Russian Empire and to lay down the supreme power. As We do not wish to part from Our beloved son, We transmit the succession to Our brother, the Grand Duke Michael Alexandrovich, and give Him Our blessing to mount the Throne of the Russian Empire. We direct Our brother to conduct the affairs of state in full and inviolable union with the representatives of the people in the legislative bodies on those principles which will be established by them, and on which He will take an inviolable oath. In the name of Our dearly beloved homeland, We call on Our faithful sons of the fatherland to fulfill their sacred duty to the fatherland, to obey the Czar in the heavy moment of national trials, and to help Him, together with the representatives of the people, to guide the Russian Empire on the road to victory, welfare, and glory. May the Lord God help Russia!"

Grand Duke Mikhail declined to accept the throne until the people were allowed to vote through a Constituent Assembly for the continuance of the monarchy or a republic. The abdication of Nicholas II and the subsequent Bolshevik revolution brought three centuries of the Romanov dynasty's rule to an end.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_I ... d_of_reign

[Risottia]

America and Russia need to be better buddies.

Didn't Gorbachev tried this in junction with Reagan?

Yep, and it didn't end too well for Russia, did it?

Tbh, I can't quite recall.

I'm just thinking of how the average Russian fared under Eltsin, and how the average American fared under Bush senior/Clinton.

[Self--Esteem]

America and Russia need to be better buddies.

Didn't Gorbachev tried this in junction with Reagan?

Yep, and it didn't end too well for Russia, did it?

If freedom of speech, free travel and the torn down Berlin wall are your definition that something didn't end too well.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

America and Russia need to be better buddies.

Didn't Gorbachev tried this in junction with Reagan?

Yep, and it didn't end too well for Russia, did it?

Tbh, I can't quite recall.

I'm just thinking of how the average Russian fared under Eltsin, and how the average American fared under Bush senior/Clinton.

Is a comparison even possible?

[Sibirsky]

America and Russia need to be better buddies.

Didn't Gorbachev tried this in junction with Reagan?

Yep, and it didn't end too well for Russia, did it?

Tbh, I can't quite recall.

I'm just thinking of how the average Russian fared under Eltsin, and how the average American fared under Bush senior/Clinton.

Is a comparison even possible?

Sure it's possible. However that comparison is invalid. Russia was going through a fundamental transformation at the time. And that transformation, although painful led to a better Russia. The United States on the other hand kept going like they have been going for a while.

[Chazicaria]

I dislike Russia for the most part! They constantly meddle, they suppress freedom of speech, they still think they are all badass and powerful and they have some idiots in their government, but then again, everyone in the US government is an idiot. Luckily, Russia has cool hats, so they won't be nuked...yet...

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

America and Russia need to be better buddies.

Didn't Gorbachev tried this in junction with Reagan?

Yep, and it didn't end too well for Russia, did it?

Tbh, I can't quite recall.

I'm just thinking of how the average Russian fared under Eltsin, and how the average American fared under Bush senior/Clinton.

Is a comparison even possible?

Sure it's possible. However that comparison is invalid. Russia was going through a fundamental transformation at the time. And that transformation, although painful led to a better Russia. The United States on the other hand kept going like they have been going for a while.

I was wondering because I don't think there was much of a change between administrations in the US. I understand, and before anyone jumps in with weapons raised, that there is a difference between Republican and Democrat. But there aren't dis paring differences in government policies. At least, I don't think there are. That, I guess, is not always the case with Russia.

[Sharfghotten]

America and Russia need to be better buddies.

Didn't Gorbachev tried this in junction with Reagan?

Yep, and it didn't end too well for Russia, did it?

Tbh, I can't quite recall.

I'm just thinking of how the average Russian fared under Eltsin, and how the average American fared under Bush senior/Clinton.

Is a comparison even possible?

Sure it's possible. However that comparison is invalid. Russia was going through a fundamental transformation at the time. And that transformation, although painful led to a better Russia. The United States on the other hand kept going like they have been going for a while.

I was wondering because I don't think there was much of a change between administrations in the US. I understand, and before anyone jumps in with weapons raised, that there is a difference between Republican and Democrat. But there aren't dis paring differences in government policies. At least, I don't think there are. That, I guess, is not always the case with Russia.

It was a fairly radical change for Yeltsin to outlaw the CPSU when it had been the dominant part of Russian society for 60 years, yes.

[New Hiaku]

I have always disliked the way the Czarist line was disposed of.

Completely? Efficiently? Quickly?

Inhumane, cruel, blood thirsty.

^This.

I can understand disposing of the Czar and the Czarina. But executing the children, was that necessary? Nicholas II himself had already signed a document ending the Czarist line. Why execute the kids too?

you always have to kill the children. They grow up

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

America and Russia need to be better buddies.

Didn't Gorbachev tried this in junction with Reagan?

Yep, and it didn't end too well for Russia, did it?

Tbh, I can't quite recall.

I'm just thinking of how the average Russian fared under Eltsin, and how the average American fared under Bush senior/Clinton.

Is a comparison even possible?

Sure it's possible. However that comparison is invalid. Russia was going through a fundamental transformation at the time. And that transformation, although painful led to a better Russia. The United States on the other hand kept going like they have been going for a while.

I was wondering because I don't think there was much of a change between administrations in the US. I understand, and before anyone jumps in with weapons raised, that there is a difference between Republican and Democrat. But there aren't dis paring differences in government policies. At least, I don't think there are. That, I guess, is not always the case with Russia.

It was a fairly radical change for Yeltsin to outlaw the CPSU when it had been the dominant part of Russian society for 60 years, yes.

I had no idea Yeltsin had outlawed the Communist Party.

[Sibirsky]

America and Russia need to be better buddies.

Didn't Gorbachev tried this in junction with Reagan?

Yep, and it didn't end too well for Russia, did it?

Tbh, I can't quite recall.

I'm just thinking of how the average Russian fared under Eltsin, and how the average American fared under Bush senior/Clinton.

Is a comparison even possible?

Sure it's possible. However that comparison is invalid. Russia was going through a fundamental transformation at the time. And that transformation, although painful led to a better Russia. The United States on the other hand kept going like they have been going for a while.

I was wondering because I don't think there was much of a change between administrations in the US. I understand, and before anyone jumps in with weapons raised, that there is a difference between Republican and Democrat. But there aren't dis paring differences in government policies. At least, I don't think there are. That, I guess, is not always the case with Russia.

You are correct. Clinton was a bit to the left of Bush. That's what I'm saying. The change in the US was marginal. While the change in Russia was historic.

[Panzerjaeger]

America and Russia need to be better buddies.

Didn't Gorbachev tried this in junction with Reagan?

Yep, and it didn't end too well for Russia, did it?

Tbh, I can't quite recall.

I'm just thinking of how the average Russian fared under Eltsin, and how the average American fared under Bush senior/Clinton.

Is a comparison even possible?

Sure it's possible. However that comparison is invalid. Russia was going through a fundamental transformation at the time. And that transformation, although painful led to a better Russia. The United States on the other hand kept going like they have been going for a while.

I was wondering because I don't think there was much of a change between administrations in the US. I understand, and before anyone jumps in with weapons raised, that there is a difference between Republican and Democrat. But there aren't dis paring differences in government policies. At least, I don't think there are. That, I guess, is not always the case with Russia.

It was a fairly radical change for Yeltsin to outlaw the CPSU when it had been the dominant part of Russian society for 60 years, yes.

I had no idea Yeltsin had outlawed the Communist Party.

He killed a good portion of the members of the Supreme Soviet who held up and refused to surrender to Yeltsin and friends.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I have always disliked the way the Czarist line was disposed of.

Completely? Efficiently? Quickly?

Inhumane, cruel, blood thirsty.

^This.

I can understand disposing of the Czar and the Czarina. But executing the children, was that necessary? Nicholas II himself had already signed a document ending the Czarist line. Why execute the kids too?

you always have to kill the children. They grow up

And what do you think they could've done? Their father abdicated the throne, and with it, the Romanov claim to it.

[United Russian State]

Luckily, Russia has cool hats, so they won't be nuked...yet...

Oh thank you, youre too kind master.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

America and Russia need to be better buddies.

Didn't Gorbachev tried this in junction with Reagan?

Yep, and it didn't end too well for Russia, did it?

Tbh, I can't quite recall.

I'm just thinking of how the average Russian fared under Eltsin, and how the average American fared under Bush senior/Clinton.

Is a comparison even possible?

Sure it's possible. However that comparison is invalid. Russia was going through a fundamental transformation at the time. And that transformation, although painful led to a better Russia. The United States on the other hand kept going like they have been going for a while.

I was wondering because I don't think there was much of a change between administrations in the US. I understand, and before anyone jumps in with weapons raised, that there is a difference between Republican and Democrat. But there aren't dis paring differences in government policies. At least, I don't think there are. That, I guess, is not always the case with Russia.

It was a fairly radical change for Yeltsin to outlaw the CPSU when it had been the dominant part of Russian society for 60 years, yes.

I had no idea Yeltsin had outlawed the Communist Party.

He killed a good portion of the members of the Supreme Soviet who held up and refused to surrender to Yeltsin and friends.

He did? I am reading about the CPSU's dissolution and banning by Yeltsin but I can't find any evidence that he killed a good portion of it.

[Awracji]

Ukrainians are bad farmers >.>



I really don't like Moscow, it's a completely different place then St. Petersburg, Novosibirsk or Krasnoyarsk and might as well be known as a separate culture.

Oh really now? Than why where you so eager to steal it?
Next you'll probably say we're bad engineers and physicists (we did, afterall, build your space program for you just like the Niemcy did for Amerika after the war)

[Panzerjaeger]

America and Russia need to be better buddies.

Didn't Gorbachev tried this in junction with Reagan?

Yep, and it didn't end too well for Russia, did it?

Tbh, I can't quite recall.

I'm just thinking of how the average Russian fared under Eltsin, and how the average American fared under Bush senior/Clinton.

Is a comparison even possible?

Sure it's possible. However that comparison is invalid. Russia was going through a fundamental transformation at the time. And that transformation, although painful led to a better Russia. The United States on the other hand kept going like they have been going for a while.

I was wondering because I don't think there was much of a change between administrations in the US. I understand, and before anyone jumps in with weapons raised, that there is a difference between Republican and Democrat. But there aren't dis paring differences in government policies. At least, I don't think there are. That, I guess, is not always the case with Russia.

It was a fairly radical change for Yeltsin to outlaw the CPSU when it had been the dominant part of Russian society for 60 years, yes.

I had no idea Yeltsin had outlawed the Communist Party.

He killed a good portion of the members of the Supreme Soviet who held up and refused to surrender to Yeltsin and friends.

He did? I am reading about the CPSU's dissolution and banning by Yeltsin but I can't find any evidence that he killed a good portion of it.

I will have to find the footage again but there is footage of Russian troops loyal to Yeltsin firing on the Supreme Soviet and CPSU headquarters with tanks and automatic weapons.

[New Hiaku]

I have always disliked the way the Czarist line was disposed of.

Completely? Efficiently? Quickly?

Inhumane, cruel, blood thirsty.

^This.

I can understand disposing of the Czar and the Czarina. But executing the children, was that necessary? Nicholas II himself had already signed a document ending the Czarist line. Why execute the kids too?

you always have to kill the children. They grow up

And what do you think they could've done? Their father abdicated the throne, and with it, the Romanov claim to it.

What difference does that make? He abdicaed because he had to

[Chazicaria]

Luckily, Russia has cool hats, so they won't be nuked...yet...

Oh thank you, youre too kind master.

Kindness over, get on your knees and pray!

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I will have to find the footage again but there is footage of Russian troops loyal to Yeltsin firing on the Supreme Soviet and CPSU headquarters with tanks and automatic weapons.

Ok. I do find it funny that after the USSR disappeared, there have been a lot of political parties formed in Russia who claim they are the 'true' successors to the CPSU.