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Postby FreeSatania » Tue May 18, 2010 8:58 am

United South-Africa wrote:Likes:
Vodka
Their Weapons
Their History

Dislikes:
Their current government
Their previous government
The one before that (I mean, seriously, have they ever been democratic?)

Short answer... no.

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Postby Peterbolton » Tue May 18, 2010 8:58 am

Dyakovo wrote:
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Dyakovo wrote:
Peterbolton wrote:I like Russia because my all time favourite band (tATu) is from there.

All time favorite?
I get enjoying watching them, I even get enjoying listening to them... But all time favorite?

Yes...is that such a problem?

No... It just strikes me as odd for someone's all-time favorite band to be one that was out together with the intention of garnering attention based on the (false) premise that the singers are lesbian lovers...
They did it to make a statement about gay rights
And to the other commenter, I listen to a very wide variety of music, just FYI
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Postby Dyakovo » Tue May 18, 2010 9:01 am

FreeSatania wrote:
United South-Africa wrote:Likes:
Vodka
Their Weapons
Their History

Dislikes:
Their current government
Their previous government
The one before that (I mean, seriously, have they ever been democratic?)

Short inaccurate answer... no.

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Postby Khyrta » Tue May 18, 2010 9:08 am

The moon planet wrote:
Amisille wrote:I dislike the way they stick their noses in everyone elses business

wrong thread...

true. i honestly thought it was th U.S that stuck their noses in everyone elses business. An exampe would be at the end of World War 1 (I learned this in school) the U.S like went inot Germany and forced their leaders to sign a treaty that said they were not alllowed to have a military whether or not they were being attacked. I could eb wrong or off on a couple points though
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Postby The Black Plains » Tue May 18, 2010 9:11 am

The moon planet wrote:I personally like it there alot

Ask the twenty plus million Ukrainians they killed.

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Postby Dyakovo » Tue May 18, 2010 9:13 am

The Black Plains wrote:
The moon planet wrote:I personally like it there alot

Ask the twenty plus million Ukrainians they killed.

Why? They won't answer....
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Postby Zoharland » Tue May 18, 2010 9:18 am

Like: Nothing.

Dislike: People, Government, Food, Music, History.

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Postby Andaluciae » Tue May 18, 2010 9:22 am

Khyrta wrote:
The moon planet wrote:
Amisille wrote:I dislike the way they stick their noses in everyone elses business

wrong thread...

true. i honestly thought it was th U.S that stuck their noses in everyone elses business.


As much as people don't like to admit it, that's a pretty much common set of behaviors amongst all of the great powers.

An exampe would be at the end of World War 1 (I learned this in school) the U.S like went inot Germany and forced their leaders to sign a treaty that said they were not alllowed to have a military whether or not they were being attacked. I could eb wrong or off on a couple points though


There's a very, very vague hint of the truth in your statement, but it's buried under some very substantial misunderstandings. At the close of World War One, the major allied powers (US, UK, France and Italy) convened at Versailles, outside of Paris. Each leader came in with a different goal. Woodrow Wilson, US President, wanted to reshape the global system into a liberal and progressive order; Georges Clemenceau deeply wanted to punish Germany; Lloyd George wanted to ensure the well being of the British Empire and Orlando wanted a pound of Austrian flesh to improve the Italian strategic situation.

The harsh measures against Germany, for instance, were largely the work of Messrs. Clemenceau, George and Orlando. Wilson, a starry eyed idealist, wanted the conference to adopt his 14 points, including the League of Nations and other such things. He spent most of the conference sacrificing his idealistic points, to get a League, and was eventually roped into signing on to the vindictive party that was the Treaty of Versailles.

The US Senate, though, never ratified the Treaty, and as a result, drew its own post-war Treaty with Germany.

So, in summary, it was the Allies, not the United States who imposed the harsh Versailles Treaty upon Germany, and the Versailles treaty capped the size of the German military--it didn't forbid Germany from having a military.

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Postby Georgism » Tue May 18, 2010 9:48 am

Dyakovo wrote:
The Black Plains wrote:
The moon planet wrote:I personally like it there alot

Ask the twenty plus million Ukrainians they killed.

Why? They won't answer....

Call a seance :)
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Postby Chernobyl-Pripyat » Tue May 18, 2010 11:10 am

Ukrainians are bad farmers >.>



I really don't like Moscow, it's a completely different place then St. Petersburg, Novosibirsk or Krasnoyarsk and might as well be known as a separate culture.

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Postby Southern Patriots » Tue May 18, 2010 11:32 am

I love Russia, it makes a great bad guy in video games, movies, books, etc. Oh, and interesting history and culture, etc.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue May 18, 2010 11:37 am

I like Russia's music, and not only traditional. Russia has given the world one of the best composers in the world: Tchaikovsky.

As for dislikes I have always disliked the way the Czarist line was disposed of.
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Postby Dyakovo » Tue May 18, 2010 12:09 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I have always disliked the way the Czarist line was disposed of.

Completely? Efficiently? Quickly?
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Postby Awracji » Tue May 18, 2010 12:14 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
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Awracji wrote:I mainly dislike Russia because it's always beating on it's neighbors, or (like Czina, who they clearly taught well) mass-immigrating their people into any land they acquire so as to change the demographics (this is what they did to my country in Ukrajina, and what they tried to do to Kazachstan and the Northern parts of Mongolia, Manchukuo, and Hanguk). For me, Russia is like America and Czina: Little more than the vestegas of an irridentalist, ethnocentric mindset.

This is not to say, however, that the idea of Russia cannot be salvaged, and perhaps with that in mind, we can possibly do with Russia what KMT could do with Czina and turn it into a symbol for something new and very noble: A synonyme for "Pan-Slawija" - with Ruskij as only a secondary language for everyone from the four reagions (Eastern/Byloruso-Ukrajinskij, Western/Czechoslowakij, Northern/Poliskij and Southern Srbo-Hrvackij) to understand eachother through. Of course, I would wish not for Moskowija to be the capital of such a thing...

Also, I think many of the Russian people are strong, so I respect them, and they have a respectable literary (Dostoewski, Gogol, Puszkin, and of course, Tolstoij) and musical culture (Czajkowski, Muzorzki etc).

*wonders if he should anglicize all the slavic place names and people*

Americans are ethnocentric? :eyebrow:


They used to be, now it's just a huge kleptocracy with numerous ethnicities fighting it out and scavanging on the remains of the WASPs decayed infrastructure like during the fall of Rome.

So was that 100 years ago when the Irish arrived or what?


Yes, and the issue has been incrimentally building-up ever since.

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Postby Self--Esteem » Tue May 18, 2010 12:19 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I have always disliked the way the Czarist line was disposed of.

Completely? Efficiently? Quickly?


Inhumane, cruel, blood thirsty.

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Postby The Pike Dynasty » Tue May 18, 2010 12:20 pm

Did you know the English word "Slave" is derived from the ethnic reference "Slav"? How does that feel Russkies =D.

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Postby Sibirsky » Tue May 18, 2010 12:20 pm

Zoharland wrote:Like: Nothing.

Dislike: People, Government, Food, Music, History.


What is wrong with the Russian people and food?

Fucking racist.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue May 18, 2010 12:21 pm

Self--Esteem wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I have always disliked the way the Czarist line was disposed of.

Completely? Efficiently? Quickly?


Inhumane, cruel, blood thirsty.


^This.

I can understand disposing of the Czar and the Czarina. But executing the children, was that necessary? Nicholas II himself had already signed a document ending the Czarist line. Why execute the kids too?
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Postby Self--Esteem » Tue May 18, 2010 12:26 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Self--Esteem wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I have always disliked the way the Czarist line was disposed of.

Completely? Efficiently? Quickly?


Inhumane, cruel, blood thirsty.


^This.

I can understand disposing of the Czar and the Czarina. But executing the children, was that necessary? Nicholas II himself had already signed a document ending the Czarist line. Why execute the kids too?


I don't get why they executed anyone. The Czar ended the Czarist line, so it was unnecessary. He didn't commit genocide (other than what Lenists want us to believe) and neither did the Czarina. In fact, the Czarina was a major speaker for the poorer people and had a long standing friendship with Rasputin.

If there was reason to lynch anyone, it should have been the murderers of Rasputin.

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Postby Sibirsky » Tue May 18, 2010 12:29 pm

Self--Esteem wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Self--Esteem wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I have always disliked the way the Czarist line was disposed of.

Completely? Efficiently? Quickly?


Inhumane, cruel, blood thirsty.


^This.

I can understand disposing of the Czar and the Czarina. But executing the children, was that necessary? Nicholas II himself had already signed a document ending the Czarist line. Why execute the kids too?


I don't get why they executed anyone. The Czar ended the Czarist line, so it was unnecessary. He didn't commit genocide (other than what Lenists want us to believe) and neither did the Czarina. In fact, the Czarina was a major speaker for the poorer people and had a long standing friendship with Rasputin.

If there was reason to lynch anyone, it should have been the murderers of Rasputin.


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Postby Chernobyl-Pripyat » Tue May 18, 2010 12:30 pm

Self--Esteem wrote:If there was reason to lynch anyone, it should have been the murderers of Rasputin.


Had he not died of hypothermia, he might have strangled his murderers in their sleep :p

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Postby Self--Esteem » Tue May 18, 2010 12:32 pm

Chernobyl-Pripyat wrote:
Self--Esteem wrote:If there was reason to lynch anyone, it should have been the murderers of Rasputin.


Had he not died of hypothermia, he might have strangled his murderers in their sleep :p


Ah. The story that he survived all those bullets,strangeling and battering and only died after they threw him into the water?

Sounds a bit fantastic, to me.

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Postby Miyager » Tue May 18, 2010 12:33 pm

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue May 18, 2010 12:34 pm

Self--Esteem wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Self--Esteem wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I have always disliked the way the Czarist line was disposed of.

Completely? Efficiently? Quickly?


Inhumane, cruel, blood thirsty.


^This.
I can understand disposing of the Czar and the Czarina. But executing the children, was that necessary? Nicholas II himself had already signed a document ending the Czarist line. Why execute the kids too?


I don't get why they executed anyone. The Czar ended the Czarist line, so it was unnecessary. He didn't commit genocide (other than what Lenists want us to believe) and neither did the Czarina. In fact, the Czarina was a major speaker for the poorer people and had a long standing friendship with Rasputin.

If there was reason to lynch anyone, it should have been the murderers of Rasputin.


He didn't commit genocide, true, and yet that's what history wants people to remember the last Romanov czar and czarina as, genocidal maniacs. I read an article on this, but it was such a long time ago I don't remember much of the particulars anymore. I have always wondered why, though, were they executed so brutally on the light that Nicholas II had already ended the line's claim to the throne with the act of abdication. He fully acknowledged the rise of the Bolcheviks and their government.
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Postby Drachevania » Tue May 18, 2010 12:35 pm

America and Russia need to be better buddies.
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