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what do you like or dislike about Russia?

Postby Awracji » Mon May 17, 2010 10:57 pm

I mainly dislike Russia because it's always beating on it's neighbors, or (like Czina, who they clearly taught well) mass-immigrating their people into any land they acquire so as to change the demographics (this is what they did to my country in Ukrajina, and what they tried to do to Kazachstan and the Northern parts of Mongolia, Manchukuo, and Hanguk-Korea). For me, Russia is like America and Czina: Little more than the vestegas of an irridentalist, ethnocentric mindset.

This is not to say, however, that the idea of Russia cannot be salvaged, and perhaps with that in mind, we can possibly do with Russia what KMT could do with Czina and turn it into a symbol for something new and very noble: A synonyme for "Pan-Slawija" - with Ruskij as only a secondary language for everyone from the four reagions (Eastern/Byloruso-Ukrajinskij, Western/Czechoslowakij, Northern/Poliskij and Southern Srbo-Hrvackij) to understand eachother through. Of course, I would wish not for Moskowija to be the capital of such a thing...

Also, I think many of the Russian people are strong, so I respect them, and they have a respectable literary (Dostoewski, Gogol, Puszkin, and of course, Tolstoij) and musical culture (Czajkowski, Muzorzki etc).
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Postby Chyeknovian States » Mon May 17, 2010 10:59 pm

Russia when it turned into the Soviet Union(Sovyetskiy Sovyuz in Russian) wouldn't have been so bad if Stalin would have kept the Leninist ideas and if The Soviets didn't focus so much on building weapons. That's what killed them was they were focused on beating the United States by military advancements while the U.S. was focused on goods for society like microwaves and things like that and on their military. When the U.S.S.R started to lack in the civil technology it caused the army to be held back as well that and just over expanding raised the debt even higher. And due to the lack of basic civil advancements that the U.S.S.R lacked made things like manufacturing for the army and industries built on defense fall behind. Then later they "invaded" Afghanistan and spent tons of money on that which they didn't have, so finally due to the failure to keep the idea of an actual communist government (they were more like a communist dictatorship),and the debt the economy could not hold and it finally collapsed.I'm not taking anysides on whose wrong but Democracy is considered the worst form of government, the fact is there is no perfect government.And you can't hate the Russians just because of that period, alot of them were brainwashed and didn't have a chance, everyone here is to blame. And most of those people in Russia didn't have a choice.....

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Mon May 17, 2010 11:03 pm

Awracji wrote:I mainly dislike Russia because it's always beating on it's neighbors, or (like Czina, who they clearly taught well) mass-immigrating their people into any land they acquire so as to change the demographics (this is what they did to my country in Ukrajina, and what they tried to do to Kazachstan and the Northern parts of Mongolia, Manchukuo, and Hanguk). For me, Russia is like America and Czina: Little more than the vestegas of an irridentalist, ethnocentric mindset.

This is not to say, however, that the idea of Russia cannot be salvaged, and perhaps with that in mind, we can possibly do with Russia what KMT could do with Czina and turn it into a symbol for something new and very noble: A synonyme for "Pan-Slawija" - with Ruskij as only a secondary language for everyone from the four reagions (Eastern/Byloruso-Ukrajinskij, Western/Czechoslowakij, Northern/Poliskij and Southern Srbo-Hrvackij) to understand eachother through. Of course, I would wish not for Moskowija to be the capital of such a thing...

Also, I think many of the Russian people are strong, so I respect them, and they have a respectable literary (Dostoewski, Gogol, Puszkin, and of course, Tolstoij) and musical culture (Czajkowski, Muzorzki etc).

*wonders if he should anglicize all the slavic place names and people*

Americans are ethnocentric? :eyebrow:
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Postby Awracji » Mon May 17, 2010 11:07 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Awracji wrote:I mainly dislike Russia because it's always beating on it's neighbors, or (like Czina, who they clearly taught well) mass-immigrating their people into any land they acquire so as to change the demographics (this is what they did to my country in Ukrajina, and what they tried to do to Kazachstan and the Northern parts of Mongolia, Manchukuo, and Hanguk). For me, Russia is like America and Czina: Little more than the vestegas of an irridentalist, ethnocentric mindset.

This is not to say, however, that the idea of Russia cannot be salvaged, and perhaps with that in mind, we can possibly do with Russia what KMT could do with Czina and turn it into a symbol for something new and very noble: A synonyme for "Pan-Slawija" - with Ruskij as only a secondary language for everyone from the four reagions (Eastern/Byloruso-Ukrajinskij, Western/Czechoslowakij, Northern/Poliskij and Southern Srbo-Hrvackij) to understand eachother through. Of course, I would wish not for Moskowija to be the capital of such a thing...

Also, I think many of the Russian people are strong, so I respect them, and they have a respectable literary (Dostoewski, Gogol, Puszkin, and of course, Tolstoij) and musical culture (Czajkowski, Muzorzki etc).

*wonders if he should anglicize all the slavic place names and people*

Americans are ethnocentric? :eyebrow:


They used to be, now it's just a huge kleptocracy with numerous ethnicities fighting it out and scavanging on the remains of the WASPs decayed infrastructure like during the fall of Rome.

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Postby Zeetopolis » Mon May 17, 2010 11:07 pm

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Funny, those are the two things I dislike most: Moscow smells of cigarettes 24/7 and a friend of mine got mugged and had to be medevac'd (however you spell that). Light prison sentances do not discourage crime.
I'll think about likes... but those are two of my dislikes.
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Postby Greater Somalia » Mon May 17, 2010 11:12 pm

If they didn't obtain the nuclear bomb, who knows if America would have continued using her nuclear arsenal after Japan.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Mon May 17, 2010 11:14 pm

Awracji wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Awracji wrote:I mainly dislike Russia because it's always beating on it's neighbors, or (like Czina, who they clearly taught well) mass-immigrating their people into any land they acquire so as to change the demographics (this is what they did to my country in Ukrajina, and what they tried to do to Kazachstan and the Northern parts of Mongolia, Manchukuo, and Hanguk). For me, Russia is like America and Czina: Little more than the vestegas of an irridentalist, ethnocentric mindset.

This is not to say, however, that the idea of Russia cannot be salvaged, and perhaps with that in mind, we can possibly do with Russia what KMT could do with Czina and turn it into a symbol for something new and very noble: A synonyme for "Pan-Slawija" - with Ruskij as only a secondary language for everyone from the four reagions (Eastern/Byloruso-Ukrajinskij, Western/Czechoslowakij, Northern/Poliskij and Southern Srbo-Hrvackij) to understand eachother through. Of course, I would wish not for Moskowija to be the capital of such a thing...

Also, I think many of the Russian people are strong, so I respect them, and they have a respectable literary (Dostoewski, Gogol, Puszkin, and of course, Tolstoij) and musical culture (Czajkowski, Muzorzki etc).

*wonders if he should anglicize all the slavic place names and people*

Americans are ethnocentric? :eyebrow:


They used to be, now it's just a huge kleptocracy with numerous ethnicities fighting it out and scavanging on the remains of the WASPs decayed infrastructure like during the fall of Rome.

So was that 100 years ago when the Irish arrived or what?
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Greater Somalia wrote:If they didn't obtain the nuclear bomb, who knows if America would have stopped with nuking Japan.

...well considering it took them a couple years to get the bomb, I think the answer is yes.
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Postby Greater Somalia » Mon May 17, 2010 11:26 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:If they didn't obtain the nuclear bomb, who knows if America would have stopped with nuking Japan.

...well considering it took them a couple years to get the bomb, I think the answer is yes.


meh, certain generals have lobbied for the possible use of nuclear weapons throughout later wars...especially the Korean war. Good thing Russia by then had a bomb.

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Mon May 17, 2010 11:35 pm

Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:If they didn't obtain the nuclear bomb, who knows if America would have stopped with nuking Japan.

...well considering it took them a couple years to get the bomb, I think the answer is yes.


meh, certain generals have lobbied for the possible use of nuclear weapons throughout later wars...especially the Korean war. Good thing Russia by then had a bomb.

I'm certain that wasn't the only consideration in rejecting it's use.

I would have actually preferred them suing the bomb, rather than letting the millions trapped in NK suffer as they do now.
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Postby Georgism » Tue May 18, 2010 1:33 am

Delator wrote:I like Russia because America and Russia have far more in common than either would like to admit.

I dislike Russia because America and Russia have far more in common than either would like to admit.

I see what you did there.

And meh, I don't care much about other countries (except the US. I hate the US because I'm a steenkin Libruhl) :)
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Postby Greater Somalia » Tue May 18, 2010 1:50 am

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:If they didn't obtain the nuclear bomb, who knows if America would have stopped with nuking Japan.

...well considering it took them a couple years to get the bomb, I think the answer is yes.


meh, certain generals have lobbied for the possible use of nuclear weapons throughout later wars...especially the Korean war. Good thing Russia by then had a bomb.

I'm certain that wasn't the only consideration in rejecting it's use.

I would have actually preferred them suing the bomb, rather than letting the millions trapped in NK suffer as they do now.


Maybe you should add that list with Detroit and New Orleans...those poor folks are suffering too.

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue May 18, 2010 1:53 am

Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:If they didn't obtain the nuclear bomb, who knows if America would have stopped with nuking Japan.

...well considering it took them a couple years to get the bomb, I think the answer is yes.


meh, certain generals have lobbied for the possible use of nuclear weapons throughout later wars...especially the Korean war. Good thing Russia by then had a bomb.

I'm certain that wasn't the only consideration in rejecting it's use.

I would have actually preferred them suing the bomb, rather than letting the millions trapped in NK suffer as they do now.


Maybe you should add that list with Detroit and New Orleans...those poor folks are suffering too.

Hardly the same, if you can't understand the difference between being forced to stay in a nation of shit and indoctrinated so severely you have little recourse and being born to have food and clean after shoved into your mouth I suggest you stop posting now.
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Postby Greater Somalia » Tue May 18, 2010 2:28 am

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:If they didn't obtain the nuclear bomb, who knows if America would have stopped with nuking Japan.

...well considering it took them a couple years to get the bomb, I think the answer is yes.


meh, certain generals have lobbied for the possible use of nuclear weapons throughout later wars...especially the Korean war. Good thing Russia by then had a bomb.

I'm certain that wasn't the only consideration in rejecting it's use.

I would have actually preferred them suing the bomb, rather than letting the millions trapped in NK suffer as they do now.


Maybe you should add that list with Detroit and New Orleans...those poor folks are suffering too.

Hardly the same, if you can't understand the difference between being forced to stay in a nation of shit and indoctrinated so severely you have little recourse and being born to have food and clean after shoved into your mouth I suggest you stop posting now.


I sincerely doubt that the NK people would welcome your kind of generosity (mass "compassion" killings). Who are you to decide their fate? You were so quick to protect your own kind but I guess wiping out the NK is nothing to you.

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue May 18, 2010 2:36 am

Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:If they didn't obtain the nuclear bomb, who knows if America would have stopped with nuking Japan.

...well considering it took them a couple years to get the bomb, I think the answer is yes.


meh, certain generals have lobbied for the possible use of nuclear weapons throughout later wars...especially the Korean war. Good thing Russia by then had a bomb.

I'm certain that wasn't the only consideration in rejecting it's use.

I would have actually preferred them suing the bomb, rather than letting the millions trapped in NK suffer as they do now.


Maybe you should add that list with Detroit and New Orleans...those poor folks are suffering too.

Hardly the same, if you can't understand the difference between being forced to stay in a nation of shit and indoctrinated so severely you have little recourse and being born to have food and clean after shoved into your mouth I suggest you stop posting now.


I sincerely doubt that the NK people would welcome your kind of generosity (mass "compassion" killings). Who are you to decide their fate? You were so quick to protect your own kind but I guess wiping out the NK is nothing to you.

Yes, killing one or two millions of their soldiers and the Chinese would hardly be a massacre compared to the horrors visited upon them by the past 50 years of KIm.

And, lots of laughs at 'protecting my own kind' protecting my own kind would be not getting involved in the squabbles of the inferiors, but rather closing our selves off to the fuckers, let them all rot I say. South Korea owes us bigtime.
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Postby Callisdrun » Tue May 18, 2010 2:38 am

Hmmm... I like their Basso Profundo. Some of my favorite composer (Shostakovitch, Prokofiev, Mussorgsky, Stravinsky) were from Russia.

I dislike how their citizens who post on this forum do so with such ridiculous amounts of jingoism that they make American patriots appear quite humble and modest about our country's accomplishments. Some days I think Russians should be banned from using this site on virtue of simply posting way too much obnoxious, stupid crap.
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Postby Greater Somalia » Tue May 18, 2010 2:51 am

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:If they didn't obtain the nuclear bomb, who knows if America would have stopped with nuking Japan.

...well considering it took them a couple years to get the bomb, I think the answer is yes.


meh, certain generals have lobbied for the possible use of nuclear weapons throughout later wars...especially the Korean war. Good thing Russia by then had a bomb.

I'm certain that wasn't the only consideration in rejecting it's use.

I would have actually preferred them suing the bomb, rather than letting the millions trapped in NK suffer as they do now.


Maybe you should add that list with Detroit and New Orleans...those poor folks are suffering too.

Hardly the same, if you can't understand the difference between being forced to stay in a nation of shit and indoctrinated so severely you have little recourse and being born to have food and clean after shoved into your mouth I suggest you stop posting now.


I sincerely doubt that the NK people would welcome your kind of generosity (mass "compassion" killings). Who are you to decide their fate? You were so quick to protect your own kind but I guess wiping out the NK is nothing to you.

Yes, killing one or two millions of their soldiers and the Chinese would hardly be a massacre compared to the horrors visited upon them by the past 50 years of KIm.

And, lots of laughs at 'protecting my own kind' protecting my own kind would be not getting involved in the squabbles of the inferiors, but rather closing our selves off to the fuckers, let them all rot I say. South Korea owes us bigtime.


The South Koreans aren't stupid enough to allow America to nuke NK anyways (even with that despot Kim in control). They carry the same blood and wouldn't allow some foreigners to dictate the complete destruction of their own kind. As for the South Koreans owing America anything, they've proven themselves when they fought alongside with American troops during the Vietnam war.

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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Tue May 18, 2010 2:54 am

They make oil prices go up every time.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue May 18, 2010 2:58 am

Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:If they didn't obtain the nuclear bomb, who knows if America would have stopped with nuking Japan.

...well considering it took them a couple years to get the bomb, I think the answer is yes.


meh, certain generals have lobbied for the possible use of nuclear weapons throughout later wars...especially the Korean war. Good thing Russia by then had a bomb.

I'm certain that wasn't the only consideration in rejecting it's use.

I would have actually preferred them suing the bomb, rather than letting the millions trapped in NK suffer as they do now.


Maybe you should add that list with Detroit and New Orleans...those poor folks are suffering too.

Hardly the same, if you can't understand the difference between being forced to stay in a nation of shit and indoctrinated so severely you have little recourse and being born to have food and clean after shoved into your mouth I suggest you stop posting now.


I sincerely doubt that the NK people would welcome your kind of generosity (mass "compassion" killings). Who are you to decide their fate? You were so quick to protect your own kind but I guess wiping out the NK is nothing to you.

Yes, killing one or two millions of their soldiers and the Chinese would hardly be a massacre compared to the horrors visited upon them by the past 50 years of KIm.

And, lots of laughs at 'protecting my own kind' protecting my own kind would be not getting involved in the squabbles of the inferiors, but rather closing our selves off to the fuckers, let them all rot I say. South Korea owes us bigtime.


The South Koreans aren't stupid enough to allow America to nuke NK anyways (even with that despot Kim in control). They carry the same blood and wouldn't allow some foreigners to dictate the complete destruction of their own kind. As for the South Koreans owing America anything, they've proven themselves when they fought alongside with American troops during the Vietnam war.

Sure, now, but we're talking at the height of the Korean war? We had 90% of the peninsula...

They were quite fine with us dictating the everything for long enough.

They fought in Vietnam, huh? I'm sure that totally makes up for ensuring their freedom with thousands of American lives even to this day.
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Postby Rambhutan » Tue May 18, 2010 2:58 am

That nagging feeling that it is actually being run by organised criminal gangs made up of ex-KGB and military people who won't hesitate to poison people with polonium or kill journalists.
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Postby Self--Esteem » Tue May 18, 2010 3:09 am

Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:If they didn't obtain the nuclear bomb, who knows if America would have stopped with nuking Japan.

...well considering it took them a couple years to get the bomb, I think the answer is yes.


meh, certain generals have lobbied for the possible use of nuclear weapons throughout later wars...especially the Korean war. Good thing Russia by then had a bomb.

I'm certain that wasn't the only consideration in rejecting it's use.

I would have actually preferred them suing the bomb, rather than letting the millions trapped in NK suffer as they do now.


Maybe you should add that list with Detroit and New Orleans...those poor folks are suffering too.

Hardly the same, if you can't understand the difference between being forced to stay in a nation of shit and indoctrinated so severely you have little recourse and being born to have food and clean after shoved into your mouth I suggest you stop posting now.


I sincerely doubt that the NK people would welcome your kind of generosity (mass "compassion" killings). Who are you to decide their fate? You were so quick to protect your own kind but I guess wiping out the NK is nothing to you.

Yes, killing one or two millions of their soldiers and the Chinese would hardly be a massacre compared to the horrors visited upon them by the past 50 years of KIm.

And, lots of laughs at 'protecting my own kind' protecting my own kind would be not getting involved in the squabbles of the inferiors, but rather closing our selves off to the fuckers, let them all rot I say. South Korea owes us bigtime.


The South Koreans aren't stupid enough to allow America to nuke NK anyways (even with that despot Kim in control). They carry the same blood and wouldn't allow some foreigners to dictate the complete destruction of their own kind. As for the South Koreans owing America anything, they've proven themselves when they fought alongside with American troops during the Vietnam war.


Garbage.

The reason why they wouldn't allow the US to nuke NK is because they live in the same freaking region.
Nuking NK would also poison their wells and their soil. And most likely the Chinese soil, as well.

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Postby Callisdrun » Tue May 18, 2010 3:11 am

Self--Esteem wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Greater Somalia wrote:If they didn't obtain the nuclear bomb, who knows if America would have stopped with nuking Japan.

...well considering it took them a couple years to get the bomb, I think the answer is yes.


meh, certain generals have lobbied for the possible use of nuclear weapons throughout later wars...especially the Korean war. Good thing Russia by then had a bomb.

I'm certain that wasn't the only consideration in rejecting it's use.

I would have actually preferred them suing the bomb, rather than letting the millions trapped in NK suffer as they do now.


Maybe you should add that list with Detroit and New Orleans...those poor folks are suffering too.

Hardly the same, if you can't understand the difference between being forced to stay in a nation of shit and indoctrinated so severely you have little recourse and being born to have food and clean after shoved into your mouth I suggest you stop posting now.


I sincerely doubt that the NK people would welcome your kind of generosity (mass "compassion" killings). Who are you to decide their fate? You were so quick to protect your own kind but I guess wiping out the NK is nothing to you.

Yes, killing one or two millions of their soldiers and the Chinese would hardly be a massacre compared to the horrors visited upon them by the past 50 years of KIm.

And, lots of laughs at 'protecting my own kind' protecting my own kind would be not getting involved in the squabbles of the inferiors, but rather closing our selves off to the fuckers, let them all rot I say. South Korea owes us bigtime.


The South Koreans aren't stupid enough to allow America to nuke NK anyways (even with that despot Kim in control). They carry the same blood and wouldn't allow some foreigners to dictate the complete destruction of their own kind. As for the South Koreans owing America anything, they've proven themselves when they fought alongside with American troops during the Vietnam war.


Garbage.

The reason why they wouldn't allow the US to nuke NK is because they live in the same freaking region.
Nuking NK would also poison their wells and their soil. And most likely the Chinese soil, as well.

Actually, quite a significant portion of them do regard it as one country, wrongfully divided. The North/South divide is more an artifact of the cold war than anything.
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