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It has been one year since Joe Biden assumed the presidency. How would you rate his performance?

Excellent: he has positively exceeded expectations and I am thrilled with his service to the people
5
3%
Good: he has met expectations and I am generally satisfied with his service to the people
12
7%
Decent: he has met some expectations though I could be happier with his service to the people
51
30%
Bad: he has yet to meet expectations and I am generally unsatisfied with his service to the people
36
21%
Abysmal: he has negatively exceeded expectations and I believe he may be unfit to serve the people
65
38%
 
Total votes : 169

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Horizonte Mexico
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Postby Horizonte Mexico » Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:16 pm

Hemakral wrote:I got paywalled.
From the headline alone, though, I must ask- what the fuck?

APPLETON - It was unclear whether a group of former ThedaCare employees would be allowed to start their new jobs at Ascension Northeast Wisconsin Monday after lawyers for both health systems made their first appearance in court Friday morning.

The uncertainty is the latest development in a battle over health care employees that began late Thursday and is now playing out in court. It comes as staff shortages strain health systems nationwide — nearly one in five health care workers have quit their jobs since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic.

ThedaCare requested Thursday that an Outagamie County judge temporarily block seven of its employees who had applied for and accepted jobs at Ascension from beginning work there on Monday until the health system could find replacements for them.

The employees were part of an 11-member interventional radiology and cardiovascular team, which can perform procedures to stop bleeding in targeted areas during a traumatic injury or restore blood flow to the brain in the case of a stroke. Each of them were employed at-will, meaning they were not under an obligation to stay at ThedaCare for a certain amount of time.

Outagamie County Circuit Court Judge Mark McGinnis granted ThedaCare's request and held an initial hearing Friday morning. The case will get a longer hearing at 10 a.m. Monday.

McGinnis told lawyers for both health systems they should try to work out a temporary agreement by the end of the day Friday about the employees' status until Monday's hearing.

Otherwise, he said, the order prohibiting them from going to work at Ascension would be final until a further ruling was made. That means the seven health care workers would not be working at either hospital on Monday.

"To me, that is a poor result for everyone involved," McGinnis said.

In the complaint, lawyers for ThedaCare wrote that Ascension had "shockingly" chosen to "poach" the employees during a stressful time for health care. More COVID-19 patients are hospitalized in the Fox Valley now than at any other time during the pandemic, according to Wisconsin Hospital Association data, and ThedaCare has canceled non-emergency surgeries to make space.

A Thursday statement from Ascension said the employees were not recruited but instead decided to apply for open job postings. It was Ascension's understanding that ThedaCare had the opportunity to make counter-offers but declined, the statement said.

Attorney Sean Bosack, who represented ThedaCare Friday, argued that losing the majority of these employees poses a health threat to the region because the health system's Neenah hospital is a hub for high-level stroke care and care for patients with traumatic injuries.

ThedaCare-Neenah is a Level II Trauma Center, part of which means they have specialists like interventional radiologists available regularly to treat patients. Ascension St. Elizabeth Hospital, a Level III Trauma Center, can provide initial support to trauma patients and is able to transfer them to ThedaCare-Neenah for more care, according to definitions from the Wisconsin Department of Health Services.

ThedaCare's Neenah facility is also a Comprehensive Stroke Center, which also means having specialists available regularly. Ascension St. Elizabeth is a Primary Stroke Center, a designation which does not stipulate having those staff available around the clock.

In the time it takes to divert a local patient in need of emergency care for a stroke or trauma to another similarly certified hospital, Bosack said, the patient could die.

Attorney David Muth, who represented Ascension Friday, said their hospital was capable of caring for such patients in the event that it was necessary even though they are not designated at the same level as ThedaCare.

Muth argued that ThedaCare had weeks to come up with better offers to keep their employees or figure out alternate staffing solutions and instead chose to initiate court action days before the workers were set to start at Ascension, resulting in "a mess of ThedaCare's own making."

In the complaint, ThedaCare attorneys wrote that the organization found out Dec. 21 that four interventional radiology technicians had accepted offers with Ascension, and learned Dec. 29 that two nurses planned to make the same move. On Jan. 7, they learned one additional nurse planned to quit and work at Ascension.

Ascension had offered the employees a better benefits package that ThedaCare did not match, Muth said.

Timothy Breister, an Appleton resident and one of the seven employees involved in the systems' dispute, submitted a letter to McGinnis Friday before the hearing describing his experience.

One of his colleagues received an offer from Ascension that was attractive "not just in pay but also a better work/life balance," which caused others on his team to apply, Breister wrote.

After approaching ThedaCare with the chance to match the offers they'd been given, Breister wrote that they were told "the long term expense to ThedaCare was not worth the short term cost," and no counter-offer would be made.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:31 pm

Lady Victory wrote:
Daniel-Franklin wrote:Obama:

1. Allowed Citigroup to handpick his cabinet.
2. Outdid Bush in deportations.
3. Renewed the Patriot Act.
4. Continued the war in Iraq and Afghanistan while starting new wars in Libya and Syria.
5. Backed the Saudi genocidal war in Yemen.
6. Reluctantly gave support for the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion and other neo-Nazi militia troops in Ukraine to repel Russian intervention.
7. Continued the war on drugs.
8. Approved a Republican healthcare plan, which admittedly the Republicans denounced once he did so. Including its last proponent, Mitt Romney.
9. Ended habeas corpus.
10. Ordered repeated drone strikes, including against American citizens.
11. Refused to pardon Snowden, Assange, or Manning, though he did grant Manning clemency.


Okay, and? I'm a Socialist bro. I don't give a fuck about Obama lmfao. He's a neoliberal imperialist.


It is funny when the BUT BOTH SIDES attempt falls completely flat like this.
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Postby Hemakral » Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:33 pm

Horizonte Mexico wrote:
Hemakral wrote:I got paywalled.
From the headline alone, though, I must ask- what the fuck?

APPLETON - It was unclear whether a group of former ThedaCare employees would be allowed to start their new jobs at Ascension Northeast Wisconsin Monday after lawyers for both health systems made their first appearance in court Friday morning.

The uncertainty is the latest development in a battle over health care employees that began late Thursday and is now playing out in court. It comes as staff shortages strain health systems nationwide — nearly one in five health care workers have quit their jobs since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic.

ThedaCare requested Thursday that an Outagamie County judge temporarily block seven of its employees who had applied for and accepted jobs at Ascension from beginning work there on Monday until the health system could find replacements for them.

The employees were part of an 11-member interventional radiology and cardiovascular team, which can perform procedures to stop bleeding in targeted areas during a traumatic injury or restore blood flow to the brain in the case of a stroke. Each of them were employed at-will, meaning they were not under an obligation to stay at ThedaCare for a certain amount of time.

Outagamie County Circuit Court Judge Mark McGinnis granted ThedaCare's request and held an initial hearing Friday morning. The case will get a longer hearing at 10 a.m. Monday.

McGinnis told lawyers for both health systems they should try to work out a temporary agreement by the end of the day Friday about the employees' status until Monday's hearing.

Otherwise, he said, the order prohibiting them from going to work at Ascension would be final until a further ruling was made. That means the seven health care workers would not be working at either hospital on Monday.

"To me, that is a poor result for everyone involved," McGinnis said.

In the complaint, lawyers for ThedaCare wrote that Ascension had "shockingly" chosen to "poach" the employees during a stressful time for health care. More COVID-19 patients are hospitalized in the Fox Valley now than at any other time during the pandemic, according to Wisconsin Hospital Association data, and ThedaCare has canceled non-emergency surgeries to make space.

A Thursday statement from Ascension said the employees were not recruited but instead decided to apply for open job postings. It was Ascension's understanding that ThedaCare had the opportunity to make counter-offers but declined, the statement said.

Attorney Sean Bosack, who represented ThedaCare Friday, argued that losing the majority of these employees poses a health threat to the region because the health system's Neenah hospital is a hub for high-level stroke care and care for patients with traumatic injuries.

ThedaCare-Neenah is a Level II Trauma Center, part of which means they have specialists like interventional radiologists available regularly to treat patients. Ascension St. Elizabeth Hospital, a Level III Trauma Center, can provide initial support to trauma patients and is able to transfer them to ThedaCare-Neenah for more care, according to definitions from the Wisconsin Department of Health Services.

ThedaCare's Neenah facility is also a Comprehensive Stroke Center, which also means having specialists available regularly. Ascension St. Elizabeth is a Primary Stroke Center, a designation which does not stipulate having those staff available around the clock.

In the time it takes to divert a local patient in need of emergency care for a stroke or trauma to another similarly certified hospital, Bosack said, the patient could die.

Attorney David Muth, who represented Ascension Friday, said their hospital was capable of caring for such patients in the event that it was necessary even though they are not designated at the same level as ThedaCare.

Muth argued that ThedaCare had weeks to come up with better offers to keep their employees or figure out alternate staffing solutions and instead chose to initiate court action days before the workers were set to start at Ascension, resulting in "a mess of ThedaCare's own making."

In the complaint, ThedaCare attorneys wrote that the organization found out Dec. 21 that four interventional radiology technicians had accepted offers with Ascension, and learned Dec. 29 that two nurses planned to make the same move. On Jan. 7, they learned one additional nurse planned to quit and work at Ascension.

Ascension had offered the employees a better benefits package that ThedaCare did not match, Muth said.

Timothy Breister, an Appleton resident and one of the seven employees involved in the systems' dispute, submitted a letter to McGinnis Friday before the hearing describing his experience.

One of his colleagues received an offer from Ascension that was attractive "not just in pay but also a better work/life balance," which caused others on his team to apply, Breister wrote.

After approaching ThedaCare with the chance to match the offers they'd been given, Breister wrote that they were told "the long term expense to ThedaCare was not worth the short term cost," and no counter-offer would be made.

Ah, thankies.
If my understanding is correct, a hospital's mad about talent poaching and reacted by having the issue brought to court
And now the employees in question are just sitting at home while people who need their help are dying
this is an immensely idiotic situation
._.

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Postby Umeria » Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:49 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:Okay, and? I'm a Socialist bro. I don't give a fuck about Obama lmfao. He's a neoliberal imperialist.

It is funny when the BUT BOTH SIDES attempt falls completely flat like this.

I think in this case we can say they're both on the same side.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:54 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
Okay, and? I'm a Socialist bro. I don't give a fuck about Obama lmfao. He's a neoliberal imperialist.


It is funny when the BUT BOTH SIDES attempt falls completely flat like this.

According to those it does, :) :rofl: lol.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:01 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
It is funny when the BUT BOTH SIDES attempt falls completely flat like this.

According to those it does, :) :rofl: lol.


So I take it you will not be addressing the evidence of electoral fraud on the part of the Republican Party?
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Postby Daniel-Franklin » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:01 pm

Lady Victory wrote:
Daniel-Franklin wrote:Obama:

1. Allowed Citigroup to handpick his cabinet.
2. Outdid Bush in deportations.
3. Renewed the Patriot Act.
4. Continued the war in Iraq and Afghanistan while starting new wars in Libya and Syria.
5. Backed the Saudi genocidal war in Yemen.
6. Reluctantly gave support for the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion and other neo-Nazi militia troops in Ukraine to repel Russian intervention.
7. Continued the war on drugs.
8. Approved a Republican healthcare plan, which admittedly the Republicans denounced once he did so. Including its last proponent, Mitt Romney.
9. Ended habeas corpus.
10. Ordered repeated drone strikes, including against American citizens.
11. Refused to pardon Snowden, Assange, or Manning, though he did grant Manning clemency.


Okay, and? I'm a Socialist bro. I don't give a fuck about Obama lmfao. He's a neoliberal imperialist.


I'm attacking him from the left, not the right. In case you missed it, I damn both parties.
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Postby Daniel-Franklin » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:05 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
Okay, and? I'm a Socialist bro. I don't give a fuck about Obama lmfao. He's a neoliberal imperialist.


It is funny when the BUT BOTH SIDES attempt falls completely flat like this.


It wasn't a "BUT BOTH SIDES," it was a "plague on both of your houses" thing.
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Postby Umeria » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:06 pm

Daniel-Franklin wrote:I'm attacking him from the left, not the right. In case you missed it, I damn both parties.

That's impossible, you can't get any further left than Obama
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Postby Daniel-Franklin » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:07 pm

Umeria wrote:
Daniel-Franklin wrote:I'm attacking him from the left, not the right. In case you missed it, I damn both parties.

That's impossible, you can't get any further left than Obama


I hope that's satire. I only wish that Obama was the radical socialist community organizer that Glenn Beck warned against...if only.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:08 pm

Umeria wrote:
Daniel-Franklin wrote:I'm attacking him from the left, not the right. In case you missed it, I damn both parties.

That's impossible, you can't get any further left than Obama

Please include a sarcasm/ or laugh emote or something.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:09 pm

Daniel-Franklin wrote:
Umeria wrote:That's impossible, you can't get any further left than Obama


I hope that's satire. I only wish that Obama was the radical socialist community organizer that Glenn Beck warned against...if only.


Actual socialists/communists etc. would tell Obama and pretty much every other Democrat to go to a gulag.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:09 pm

Daniel-Franklin wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
It is funny when the BUT BOTH SIDES attempt falls completely flat like this.


It wasn't a "BUT BOTH SIDES," it was a "plague on both of your houses" thing.


And one that wasn’t strictly relevant since a “here’s what made Reagan and Trump bad” doesn’t really call for a “BUT OBAMA”.
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Postby Umeria » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:09 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Umeria wrote:That's impossible, you can't get any further left than Obama

Please include a sarcasm/ or laugh emote or something.

That would ruin it
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Postby Daniel-Franklin » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:10 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Daniel-Franklin wrote:
It wasn't a "BUT BOTH SIDES," it was a "plague on both of your houses" thing.


And one that wasn’t strictly relevant since a “here’s what made Reagan and Trump bad” doesn’t really call for a “BUT OBAMA”.


I just don't like people acting like the problem is just a Republican thing. That lets Democrats off way too easy.
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Postby Eahland » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:12 pm

Vassenor wrote:
South Florida Republic wrote:Rockstar Games, too.

GTA, especially. Once a phenomenal game.


That isn't really correct.

It was stupid and unlawful, but I wouldn't say outlawing bump stocks earns him the "gun-grabber" rank.


Trump literally went on television and demanded mass confiscation saying that due process could come afterwards.

Wow, it's almost like it's a completely artificial issue manufactured to keep Russian agents in embezzlement money.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:12 pm

Daniel-Franklin wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And one that wasn’t strictly relevant since a “here’s what made Reagan and Trump bad” doesn’t really call for a “BUT OBAMA”.


I just don't like people acting like the problem is just a Republican thing. That lets Democrats off way too easy.


Same but flip the parties and lets Republicans off way too easy.

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Postby Daniel-Franklin » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:13 pm

What's with this severe obsession with all things Russian?
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Postby Daniel-Franklin » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:13 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Daniel-Franklin wrote:
I just don't like people acting like the problem is just a Republican thing. That lets Democrats off way too easy.


Same but flip the parties and lets Republicans off way too easy.


Shouldn't do that, either. People who think that the GOP serves them are delusional.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:13 pm

I already have a practical solution that's better than daydreaming of the days when we no longer have two parties pretending that they're different: Start pumping sewage into the senate and house chambers and keep doing it until our list of demands are met.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:13 pm

Daniel-Franklin wrote:What's with this severe obsession with all things Russian?


Vladimir Putin has entered the chat (America)

That’s it.

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Postby Zurkerx » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:14 pm

Sinema has been censured by Arizona Democrats over her filibuster stance that blocked voting rights legislation.

Yeah, she's going to get primaried come 2024. Democratic voters and donors are not fond of her. She burned down her bridges.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:14 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:I already have a practical solution that's better than daydreaming of the days when we no longer have two parties pretending that they're different: Start pumping sewage into the senate and house chambers and keep doing it until our list of demands are met.


And make them drink it and withhold medical aid unless they agree to fix it.

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Postby Daniel-Franklin » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:14 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:I already have a practical solution that's better than daydreaming of the days when we no longer have two parties pretending that they're different: Start pumping sewage into the senate and house chambers and keep doing it until our list of demands are met.


The downside to this? I'm waiting....
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:15 pm

Daniel-Franklin wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And one that wasn’t strictly relevant since a “here’s what made Reagan and Trump bad” doesn’t really call for a “BUT OBAMA”.


I just don't like people acting like the problem is just a Republican thing. That lets Democrats off way too easy.


Not sure how “here’s what makes these two specific individuals bad” is implying only Republicans do bad things.
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