American Politics IX: Winter is Coming

[Neutraligon]

Yes, there also needs to be a global one child policy. The challenge is how do we get to global sustainability while avoiding miserable deaths for billions. Nuclear is part of avoiding that. But for sure th8ngs like foreign aid need to be tied to one child policies. (As would happen domestically too).

Or we could, as you suggest, just throw our hands in the air and do nothing.

Um, why? You want sustainability just make access to birth control, condoms, comprehensive sex ed, and abortion cheap and easy.
Overpopulation is a myth, we don't have a supply problem we have a distribution problem because capitalism doesn't concern itself with fulfilling need but seeking profit.

Seriously we need to work on our infrastructure world-wide. Roads, water, electrical, we need to work on all of it. In the US it isn't just the distribution of goods that is an issue, many parts of the electrical grid cannot handle the demand. And our pipe system is ancient and degrading.

[Nora Xent]

Obama:

1. Allowed Citigroup to handpick his cabinet.
2. Outdid Bush in deportations.
3. Renewed the Patriot Act.
4. Continued the war in Iraq and Afghanistan while starting new wars in Libya and Syria.
5. Backed the Saudi genocidal war in Yemen.
6. Reluctantly gave support for the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion and other neo-Nazi militia troops in Ukraine to repel Russian intervention.
7. Continued the war on drugs.
8. Approved a Republican healthcare plan, which admittedly the Republicans denounced once he did so. Including its last proponent, Mitt Romney.
9. Ended habeas corpus.
10. Ordered repeated drone strikes, including against American citizens.
11. Refused to pardon Snowden, Assange, or Manning, though he did grant Manning clemency.

I am 99% sure he withdrew american forces in 2011 before ISIS came back.

[The Black Forrest]

Obama:

1. Allowed Citigroup to handpick his cabinet.
2. Outdid Bush in deportations.
3. Renewed the Patriot Act.
4. Continued the war in Iraq and Afghanistan while starting new wars in Libya and Syria.
5. Backed the Saudi genocidal war in Yemen.
6. Reluctantly gave support for the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion and other neo-Nazi militia troops in Ukraine to repel Russian intervention.
7. Continued the war on drugs.
8. Approved a Republican healthcare plan, which admittedly the Republicans denounced once he did so. Including its last proponent, Mitt Romney.
9. Ended habeas corpus.
10. Ordered repeated drone strikes, including against American citizens.
11. Refused to pardon Snowden, Assange, or Manning, though he did grant Manning clemency.

I am 99% sure he withdrew american forces in 2011 before ISIS came back.

https://www.npr.org/2015/12/19/45985071 ... is-to-grow

[Umeria]

Let's say we find a power source that generates an infinite amount of energy with no environmental cost. What do you think we're going to do with that power? Expand. Deforestation, industrialized agriculture, overfishing etc. would continue until we run out of those resources and armageddon ensues with mass starvation and wars over water. Remember that fuel for electric power is just one of many scarce resources that we're consuming at an unsustainable rate.

Yes, there also needs to be a global one child policy. The challenge is how do we get to global sustainability while avoiding miserable deaths for billions. Nuclear is part of avoiding that. But for sure th8ngs like foreign aid need to be tied to one child policies. (As would happen domestically too).

I don't know about a one child policy, but I'm glad we agree that reducing consumption needs to be part of the solution. Again, nuclear power is useful but it can't be the entire strategy.

Or we could, as you suggest, just throw our hands in the air and do nothing.

I never suggested that we do nothing. I want to do more that just switch our electric power sources.

[Kerwa]

There’s an absurd amount of thorium. And fuel can be reprocessed etc. Running out isn’t really a problem for now - at least compared to billions dying from a climate crisis.

There's only about 3-4x more thorium than uranium. And it's not really about running out, it's about needing to dig deeper and deeper to find it. These processes are almost impossible to do without using fossil fuels at some point.

There’s enough thorium (easily accessible) for 1000s of years. But even if it’s only a couple of hundred that’s enough time.

Thorium reactors don’t need to be by large bodies of water and they don’t melt down. That’s why the Chinese are using them for the BRI.

Or we could just give up and go back to driving V8s.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Um, why? You want sustainability just make access to birth control, condoms, comprehensive sex ed, and abortion cheap and easy.
Overpopulation is a myth, we don't have a supply problem we have a distribution problem because capitalism doesn't concern itself with fulfilling need but seeking profit.

Seriously we need to work on our infrastructure world-wide. Roads, water, electrical, we need to work on all of it. In the US it isn't just the distribution of goods that is an issue, many parts of the electrical grid cannot handle the demand. And our pipe system is ancient and degrading.

Another issue is the pointless bickering over it.

[The Black Forrest]

Um, why? You want sustainability just make access to birth control, condoms, comprehensive sex ed, and abortion cheap and easy.
Overpopulation is a myth, we don't have a supply problem we have a distribution problem because capitalism doesn't concern itself with fulfilling need but seeking profit.

Seriously we need to work on our infrastructure world-wide. Roads, water, electrical, we need to work on all of it. In the US it isn't just the distribution of goods that is an issue, many parts of the electrical grid cannot handle the demand. And our pipe system is ancient and degrading.

Indeed. The problem? Water and sewage isn’t flashy so the higher ups aren’t interested.

Water supply is another problem. Everybody demands high density housing and yet I don’t see plans for the resources for it.

[Kerwa]

I never suggested that we do nothing. I want to do more that just switch our electric power sources.

Sure, the way society is restructured needs to be changed. Commuting, big cities and such.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Seriously we need to work on our infrastructure world-wide. Roads, water, electrical, we need to work on all of it. In the US it isn't just the distribution of goods that is an issue, many parts of the electrical grid cannot handle the demand. And our pipe system is ancient and degrading.

Indeed. The problem? Water and sewage isn’t flashy so the higher ups aren’t interested.

Water supply is another problem. Everybody demands high density housing and yet I don’t see plans for the resources for it.

Pump the shitty water directly into the Capitol Building. Watch as the ungodly stench motivate the lot into action like the stench of the Thames motivated the House of Lords to act on regulations.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Indeed. The problem? Water and sewage isn’t flashy so the higher ups aren’t interested.

Water supply is another problem. Everybody demands high density housing and yet I don’t see plans for the resources for it.

Pump the shitty water directly into the Capitol Building. Watch as the ungodly stench motivate the lot into action like the stench of the Thames motivated the House of Lords to act on regulations.

Sure. But I go further. Force them to drink it and withhold medical aid unless they agree to improve the water.

[Bienenhalde]

Kill anti-intellectualism.

Unless you trample all over free speech you can't.

Free speech for the sake of free speech is a stupid idea anyway. If it doesn't stop government corruption and wrongdoing and it does not advance the intellectual development of society, what is the point?

[Hemakral]

Sure. But I go further. Force them to drink it and withhold medical aid unless they agree to improve the water.

If you need to poison your politicians just to get clean water, those politicians are bad people. They should die from their inaction.

Seriously we need to work on our infrastructure world-wide. Roads, water, electrical, we need to work on all of it. In the US it isn't just the distribution of goods that is an issue, many parts of the electrical grid cannot handle the demand. And our pipe system is ancient and degrading.

America is run by greedy, impulsive septuagenarians. Long-term investments don't matter to them.

Water and sewage isn’t flashy so the higher ups aren’t interested.

They aren't interested because they'll all be dead in a decade and don't care if the poors suffer in the meantime

[Genivaria]

I never suggested that we do nothing. I want to do more that just switch our electric power sources.

Sure, the way society is restructured needs to be changed. Commuting, big cities and such.

Communal gardening/farming needs to be further encouraged. Residents are already more than willing to help with it it's just often the city and local authorities ban them.
Ron Finley in Los Angeles started a project in his neighborhood and the city put out a warrant for his arrest!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t-NbF7 ... ROXXStudio

[The Jamesian Republic]

Sure. But I go further. Force them to drink it and withhold medical aid unless they agree to improve the water.

If you need to poison your politicians just to get clean water, those politicians are bad people. They should die from their inaction.

Seriously we need to work on our infrastructure world-wide. Roads, water, electrical, we need to work on all of it. In the US it isn't just the distribution of goods that is an issue, many parts of the electrical grid cannot handle the demand. And our pipe system is ancient and degrading.

America is run by greedy, impulsive septuagenarians. Long-term investments don't matter to them.

Water and sewage isn’t flashy so the higher ups aren’t interested.

They aren't interested because they'll all be dead in a decade and don't care if the poors suffer in the meantime

If they die then they can’t do anything.

[Genivaria]

If you need to poison your politicians just to get clean water, those politicians are bad people. They should die from their inaction.



America is run by greedy, impulsive septuagenarians. Long-term investments don't matter to them.



They aren't interested because they'll all be dead in a decade and don't care if the poors suffer in the meantime

If they die then they can’t do anything.

We can use them as fertilizer, that's the best thing they'll have ever done for this world.

[The Jamesian Republic]

If they die then they can’t do anything.

We can use them as fertilizer, that's the best thing they'll have ever done for this world.

I guess so. But then it just leaves us armchair politicians to take over… oh.

[Genivaria]

We can use them as fertilizer, that's the best thing they'll have ever done for this world.

I guess so. But then it just leaves us armchair politicians to take over… oh.

More like...do away with the positions entirely.
It's not the individuals in charge that are the problem, it's the system that encourages and empowers such people in the first place.

[The Jamesian Republic]

I guess so. But then it just leaves us armchair politicians to take over… oh.

More like...do away with the positions entirely.

Then we have fully automated luxury anarcho-communism/democratic confederalism.

[Genivaria]

More like...do away with the positions entirely.

Then we have fully automated luxury anarcho-communism/democratic confederalism.

I really like the Orphan Crushing Machine analogy that's started floating around this month. It explains the problem with liberal democracy I think.
https://twitter.com/pookleblinky/status ... 3064304644

[The Jamesian Republic]

Then we have fully automated luxury anarcho-communism/democratic confederalism.

I really like the Orphan Crushing Machine analogy that's started floating around this month. It explains the problem with liberal democracy I think.
https://twitter.com/pookleblinky/status ... 3064304644

I see.

[American Legionaries]

I think you just described EA's business model.

Rockstar Games, too.

GTA, especially. Once a phenomenal game.

Trump was a gungrabber as well.
It is amazing how republicans refuse to remember that.

That isn't really correct.

It was stupid and unlawful, but I wouldn't say outlawing bump stocks earns him the "gun-grabber" rank.

Sure it does.

I just don't understand where Alma Mater seems to think anyone's forgotten it.

[Vassenor]

I think you just described EA's business model.

Rockstar Games, too.

GTA, especially. Once a phenomenal game.

Trump was a gungrabber as well.
It is amazing how republicans refuse to remember that.

That isn't really correct.

It was stupid and unlawful, but I wouldn't say outlawing bump stocks earns him the "gun-grabber" rank.

Trump literally went on television and demanded mass confiscation saying that due process could come afterwards.

[Horizonte Mexico]

Seven hospital workers are denied by a judge from changing jobs to another hospital in order to get better wages.

[Lady Victory]

Obama:

1. Allowed Citigroup to handpick his cabinet.
2. Outdid Bush in deportations.
3. Renewed the Patriot Act.
4. Continued the war in Iraq and Afghanistan while starting new wars in Libya and Syria.
5. Backed the Saudi genocidal war in Yemen.
6. Reluctantly gave support for the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion and other neo-Nazi militia troops in Ukraine to repel Russian intervention.
7. Continued the war on drugs.
8. Approved a Republican healthcare plan, which admittedly the Republicans denounced once he did so. Including its last proponent, Mitt Romney.
9. Ended habeas corpus.
10. Ordered repeated drone strikes, including against American citizens.
11. Refused to pardon Snowden, Assange, or Manning, though he did grant Manning clemency.

Okay, and? I'm a Socialist bro. I don't give a fuck about Obama lmfao. He's a neoliberal imperialist.

[Hemakral]

Seven hospital workers are denied by a judge from changing jobs to another hospital in order to get better wages.

I got paywalled.
From the headline alone, though, I must ask- what the fuck?