American Politics IX: Winter is Coming

[Bear Stearns]

Oh boy, this is probably not going to end well: Trump will hold a news conference on the anniversary of the deadly attack on the US Capitol.

so it went from a riot to a coup to the DEADLY ATTACK ON THE US CAPITOL

[Hoxie]

This is funny. I saw a post on my friend's Twitter of a video he took at his brother's university campus. There was a protest demanding that Biden cancel student debt and the protesters were all holding signs that said Let's Go, Brandon. I guess anything to try to get his attention

Wait….so they were protesting about canceling student debt and saying fuck joe biden?

Yes, because Joe flipped on his campaign promise to end or at least alleviate student debt

[Vassenor]

Wait….so they were protesting about canceling student debt and saying fuck joe biden?

Yes, because Joe flipped on his campaign promise to end or at least alleviate student debt

And how exactly is he supposed to do that? Can't do it legislatively because Manchin and the GOP will do everything to block it. Can't do it with an EO because the GOP stacked Supreme Court will block it.

[San Lumen]

Wait….so they were protesting about canceling student debt and saying fuck joe biden?

Yes, because Joe flipped on his campaign promise to end or at least alleviate student debt

What do you want him to do? The president is not a King.

[Bear Stearns]

Yes, because Joe flipped on his campaign promise to end or at least alleviate student debt

What do you want him to do? The president is not a King.

didnt you guys call trump a dictator for the past four years

[Hoxie]

Yes, because Joe flipped on his campaign promise to end or at least alleviate student debt

What do you want him to do? The president is not a King.

All I am saying is why they are protesting. Not saying if they are justified or not.

[Senkaku]

Yes, because Joe flipped on his campaign promise to end or at least alleviate student debt

What do you want him to do?

to fulfill his promise to cancel a shitload of student debt

The president is not a King.

do you think that presidents not doing things inherently means they don’t have the power to do them

[Bear Stearns]

What do you want him to do? The president is not a King.

All I am saying is why they are protesting. Not saying if they are justified or not.

criticism of the US government is a russian-backed right-wing conspiracy that threatens the fabric of our democracy

[American Legionaries]

Yes, because Joe flipped on his campaign promise to end or at least alleviate student debt

What do you want him to do? The president is not a King.

Order the department secretary to cancel the debt, or order it himself by EO.

[Vassenor]

What do you want him to do?

to fulfill his promise to cancel a shitload of student debt

The president is not a King.

do you think that presidents not doing things inherently means they don’t have the power to do them

OK. What options are available for him to do so?

[Bear Stearns]

What do you want him to do? The president is not a King.

Order the department secretary to cancel the debt, or order it himself by EO.

bring a law suit against the department of the treasury, universities, and banks for usury and fraud

[Maricarland]

Yes, because Joe flipped on his campaign promise to end or at least alleviate student debt

And how exactly is he supposed to do that? Can't do it legislatively because Manchin and the GOP will do everything to block it. Can't do it with an EO because the GOP stacked Supreme Court will block it.

Even if he cannot get legislative action and the Supreme Court will strike him down from cancelling student loan debt held by private lenders, the majority of student loan debt (I believe more than 90%) is owed to the federal government. Joe Biden being the executive can simply order the Department of Education or any other department or agency to not collect the student debt or just forgive it.

However, Joe Biden is uneasy about forgiving any debt. It was his efforts that led to student debt being non-dischargeabke in bankruptcy. His statements over the years shows he believes student debt to be a necessary tool to discipline the working class, as while they owe money they cannot refuse work or strike or any number of things. He only made the campaign promise to get elected, banking on being able to say that he cannot cancel student loan debt without Congress and hoping Congress (even if the Democratic Party controlled it) would be too divided to actually cancel that much debt, if any.

[Senkaku]

to fulfill his promise to cancel a shitload of student debt


do you think that presidents not doing things inherently means they don’t have the power to do them

OK. What options are available for him to do so?

What do you want him to do? The president is not a King.

Order the department secretary to cancel the debt, or order it himself by EO.

The exact same way he suspended payments for the past few months— he can use executive authority. This has all been a matter of public debate for months now, both in the media generally and on this website specifically; playing dumb or pretending your Google doesn’t work or whatever you’re doing here is just ridiculous and pathetic. Pro tip: you probably shouldn’t be demanding people spoonfeed you basic civics as a starting point for discussion whenever they bring up something that might challenge your worldview, if you want it to actually be productive— it’s alienating and doesn’t really give the impression you’re there in good faith.

[Maricarland]

Also, the founding fathers took the powers of a King and split them among the branches of government, but Executive Order is certainly a power that remains in the hands of the executive (it literally is in the name).

[Senkaku]

Order the department secretary to cancel the debt, or order it himself by EO.

bring a law suit against the department of the treasury, universities, and banks for usury and fraud

Real hot boy shit right there, but even getting him to cancellation is p much a pipe dream at this pt tbh

[Bear Stearns]

bring a law suit against the department of the treasury, universities, and banks for usury and fraud

Real hot boy shit right there, but even getting him to cancellation is p much a pipe dream at this pt tbh

at least biden protected the Our Democracy by delivering on patriot act 2.0

[San Lumen]

Also, the founding fathers took the powers of a King and split them among the branches of government, but Executive Order is certainly a power that remains in the hands of the executive (it literally is in the name).

Many mayors and governors are using it to make pandemic related law. What do we need a city council or legislature for if the executive can just make law via a state of emergency?

[American Legionaries]

Yes, because Joe flipped on his campaign promise to end or at least alleviate student debt

And how exactly is he supposed to do that? Can't do it legislatively because Manchin and the GOP will do everything to block it. Can't do it with an EO because the GOP stacked Supreme Court will block it.

Even if an EO or secretary's order gets eventually blocked, he can freeze payments until the challenge gets hesrd, and appealed, and heard again.

That means he can put pen to paper and WORST case scenario, buy people ten or so months of breathing room.

"I can't do president stuff because mean ol' Joe Manchin" is a coward's excuse.

[American Legionaries]

Also, the founding fathers took the powers of a King and split them among the branches of government, but Executive Order is certainly a power that remains in the hands of the executive (it literally is in the name).

Many mayors and governors are using it to make pandemic related law. What do we need a city council or legislature for if the executive can just make law via a state of emergency?

The stuff that's not an emergency?

[Big Jim P]

All I am saying is why they are protesting. Not saying if they are justified or not.

criticism of the US government is a russian-backed right-wing conspiracy that threatens the fabric of our democracy

Only when the dems hold power.

[San Lumen]

Many mayors and governors are using it to make pandemic related law. What do we need a city council or legislature for if the executive can just make law via a state of emergency?

The stuff that's not an emergency?

Under no circumstances should an executive be able to make law.

[Corrian]

Seattle Starbucks employees file to hold unionized elections

[Arlenton]

The stuff that's not an emergency?

Under no circumstances should an executive be able to make law.

They do though. See DACA.

[Senkaku]

Also, the founding fathers took the powers of a King and split them among the branches of government, but Executive Order is certainly a power that remains in the hands of the executive (it literally is in the name).

Many mayors and governors are using it to make pandemic related law. What do we need a city council or legislature for if the executive can just make law via a state of emergency?

is there a single thing anyone could say to you that would convince you that Biden has the power and should use it, or will you just keep contorting yourself into increasingly bizarre and nonsensical positions like “we should get rid of all executive authority” to avoid having to think about the fact that maybe the administration isn’t doing what it said it would

Can't do it with an EO because the GOP stacked Supreme Court will block it.

Is that how you think it works? The instant he signs, SCOTUS send a thunderbolt from on high, so why even bother getting caught trying?

Real hot boy shit right there, but even getting him to cancellation is p much a pipe dream at this pt tbh

at least biden protected the Our Democracy by delivering on patriot act 2.0

Don’t forget giving the Pentagon the money they need to prop up a global empire using nothing but thousand-dollar wrenches and leaky jet fuel storage tanks

[American Legionaries]

The stuff that's not an emergency?

Under no circumstances should an executive be able to make law.

That's absurd.