American Politics IX: Winter is Coming

[The Jamesian Republic]

So the Trump administration bombed a dam on a no-strike list even after being told it could risk tens of thousands of lives with catastrophic flooding, for reminders of how actually awful the Trump administrations foreign policy was.

What the fudge!?

[Forsher]

If you say bayer though people think “baby aspirin” not bogus lawsuits bankrupting farmers etc.

But yeah, the Germans are paying their tort bills now.

Do they?

Bayer = Bayer Leverkusen

Also, do Americans actually take aspirin? I'm not sure I've even ever seen aspirin in person.

[Dreria]

So the Trump administration bombed a dam on a no-strike list even after being told it could risk tens of thousands of lives with catastrophic flooding, for reminders of how actually awful the Trump administrations foreign policy was.

we gotta get more democrats, they never done nothing like that

[Dreria]

If you say bayer though people think “baby aspirin” not bogus lawsuits bankrupting farmers etc.

But yeah, the Germans are paying their tort bills now.

Do they?

Bayer = Bayer Leverkusen

Also, do Americans actually take aspirin? I'm not sure I've even ever seen aspirin in person.

you’re supposed to take it if you’re having a heart attack. I took it once for a headache but violently vomited as a result.

[Corrian]

So the Trump administration bombed a dam on a no-strike list even after being told it could risk tens of thousands of lives with catastrophic flooding, for reminders of how actually awful the Trump administrations foreign policy was.

we gotta get more democrats, they never done nothing like that

I know you're trying to imply that that was said, but it wasn't.

[Ifreann]

So the Trump administration bombed a dam on a no-strike list even after being told it could risk tens of thousands of lives with catastrophic flooding, for reminders of how actually awful the Trump administrations foreign policy was.

100% Trump bombed it because someone told him that tens of thousands could die in resulting flooding.

[Kerwa]

If you say bayer though people think “baby aspirin” not bogus lawsuits bankrupting farmers etc.

But yeah, the Germans are paying their tort bills now.

Do they?

Bayer = Bayer Leverkusen

Also, do Americans actually take aspirin? I'm not sure I've even ever seen aspirin in person.

This is America, home of the Premier League.

Yeah, it’s actually popular and Bayer is synonymous with aspirin.

[Free Algerstonia]

So the Trump administration bombed a dam on a no-strike list even after being told it could risk tens of thousands of lives with catastrophic flooding, for reminders of how actually awful the Trump administrations foreign policy was.

we gotta get more democrats, they never done nothing like that

The bombs would have pride flags painted on them

[Corrian]

we gotta get more democrats, they never done nothing like that

The bombs would have pride flags painted on them

Most eye roll comment on this thread today.

[Umeria]

Uggghhh nothing more frustrating than hearing liberals talk about how pro-science they are until you bring up nuclear energy or GMO's and than they promptly lose their shit.

Nuclear energy isn't all bad but it's not going to fix climate change. The problem isn't even the meltdowns or the waste, it's that building them, maintaining them, mining and transporting the fissionable material, etc. requires a significant amount of fossil fuels. Also we don't have an infinite supply of fissionable material.

[Corrian]

Uggghhh nothing more frustrating than hearing liberals talk about how pro-science they are until you bring up nuclear energy or GMO's and than they promptly lose their shit.

Nuclear energy isn't all bad but it's not going to fix climate change. The problem isn't even the meltdowns or the waste, it's that building them, maintaining them, mining and transporting the fissionable material, etc. requires a significant amount of fossil fuels. Also we don't have an infinite supply of fissionable material.

The transporting can be solved by electrifying fleets more too.

[Umeria]

Nuclear energy isn't all bad but it's not going to fix climate change. The problem isn't even the meltdowns or the waste, it's that building them, maintaining them, mining and transporting the fissionable material, etc. requires a significant amount of fossil fuels. Also we don't have an infinite supply of fissionable material.

The transporting can be solved by electrifying fleets more too.

Where would the electric power come from?

[Shrillland]

The transporting can be solved by electrifying fleets more too.

Where would the electric power come from?

Renewable energy. Nuclear is only needed to pick up any potential slack should renewables not be able to get the job done at any given time.

[Corrian]

The transporting can be solved by electrifying fleets more too.

Where would the electric power come from?

...From the renewable energy? Which would be produced by said nuclear power?

Edit: Well if you wanna count that as that. I dunno if it really counts.

[Umeria]

Where would the electric power come from?

Renewable energy. Nuclear is only needed to pick up any potential slack should renewables not be able to get the job done at any given time.

Renewable energy can only power vehicles through batteries. Are there batteries efficient enough to power a transport ship crossing an ocean? Combine mining the lithium for the batteries, mining the uranium for the power plants, and constructing the renewable and nuclear power plants (usually from materials you also have to mine), and you might still end up with less emissions than from using fossil fuels directly, but will the reduction be enough to make much of a difference?

[Umeria]

Also keep in mind that after you build all this renewable infrastructure, the incentive to expand will still be there (if anything it will have intensified). Using fuel that doesn't emit CO2 when it's converted to electricity isn't a gateway to infinite growth. At some point there needs to be a reduction on the consumption side.

[Eahland]

Renewable energy. Nuclear is only needed to pick up any potential slack should renewables not be able to get the job done at any given time.

Renewable energy can only power vehicles through batteries. Are there batteries efficient enough to power a transport ship crossing an ocean? Combine mining the lithium for the batteries, mining the uranium for the power plants, and constructing the renewable and nuclear power plants (usually from materials you also have to mine), and you might still end up with less emissions than from using fossil fuels directly, but will the reduction be enough to make much of a difference?

Note that we have considerable practical experience in powering large ships with nuclear reactors.

[Corrian]

Also keep in mind that after you build all this renewable infrastructure, the incentive to expand will still be there (if anything it will have intensified). Using fuel that doesn't emit CO2 when it's converted to electricity isn't a gateway to infinite growth. At some point there needs to be a reduction on the consumption side.

Make more renewable infrastructure. There might actually be a point that (in places it work) most places have solar on their roofs and we won't even need a grid, but that's kinda dreaming. But I agree there needs to be a reduction.

[Shrillland]

Also keep in mind that after you build all this renewable infrastructure, the incentive to expand will still be there (if anything it will have intensified). Using fuel that doesn't emit CO2 when it's converted to electricity isn't a gateway to infinite growth. At some point there needs to be a reduction on the consumption side.

Make more renewable infrastructure. There might actually be a point that (in places it work) most places have solar on their roofs and we won't even need a grid, but that's kinda dreaming. But I agree there needs to be a reduction.

Here's where we get into the capitalism problem again. California's been talking about reducing their well-known solar subsidies because solar has expanded to a point that PG&E and SoCalEd and the like are losing money. Personally, my solution is to nationalise the public utilities and take profit out of the equation while still providing incentives for people who can contribute to the grid to do so.

[Kerwa]

Uggghhh nothing more frustrating than hearing liberals talk about how pro-science they are until you bring up nuclear energy or GMO's and than they promptly lose their shit.

Nuclear energy isn't all bad but it's not going to fix climate change. The problem isn't even the meltdowns or the waste, it's that building them, maintaining them, mining and transporting the fissionable material, etc. requires a significant amount of fossil fuels. Also we don't have an infinite supply of fissionable material.

You’ve got all those problems with renewables (mining, transport etc.)

There’s not an infinite amount of stuff for anything and that includes the stuff needed make and supply renewable infrastructure too.

It’s the antinuclear Luddite attitude that has helped contribution to the current situation. As I have said before, anyone who has opposed nuclear energy in the past (for any reason) should have no place in the discussion. It’s really worse than racism.

[The Alma Mater]

Uggghhh nothing more frustrating than hearing liberals talk about how pro-science they are until you bring up nuclear energy or GMO's and than they promptly lose their shit.

Nuclear energy isn't all bad but it's not going to fix climate change. The problem isn't even the meltdowns or the waste, it's that building them, maintaining them, mining and transporting the fissionable material, etc. requires a significant amount of fossil fuels. Also we don't have an infinite supply of fissionable material.

True, but we have enough for a century, taking increased consumption into account.
That gives us extra time to find a true alternative like nuclear fusion or efficient solar harvesting.

[Kerwa]

Nuclear energy isn't all bad but it's not going to fix climate change. The problem isn't even the meltdowns or the waste, it's that building them, maintaining them, mining and transporting the fissionable material, etc. requires a significant amount of fossil fuels. Also we don't have an infinite supply of fissionable material.

True, but we have enough for a century, taking increased consumption into account.
That gives us extra time to find a true alternative like nuclear fusion or efficient solar harvesting.

There’s an absurd amount of thorium. And fuel can be reprocessed etc. Running out isn’t really a problem for now - at least compared to billions dying from a climate crisis.

And it’s technology thanks needed to bootstrap to the next generation of power sources.

[The Jamesian Republic]

I have a question for this thread: If America had a government similar to the ones in Canada or Britain, which allows for the legislature to issue a vote of no confidence or the president/prime minister could call an election what would that look like?

In this case let’s look at the Trump and Biden government chances are I can see democrats or republicans issuing votes of no confidence and congress being dissolved.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I have a question for this thread: If America had a government similar to the ones in Canada or Britain, which allows for the legislature to issue a vote of no confidence or the president/prime minister could call an election what would that look like?

In this case let’s look at the Trump and Biden government chances are I can see democrats issuing votes of no confidence and congress being dissolved.

We'd have gone probably the past 20 years without a functioning government lol

[The Jamesian Republic]

I have a question for this thread: If America had a government similar to the ones in Canada or Britain, which allows for the legislature to issue a vote of no confidence or the president/prime minister could call an election what would that look like?

In this case let’s look at the Trump and Biden government chances are I can see democrats issuing votes of no confidence and congress being dissolved.

We'd have gone probably the past 20 years without a functioning government lol

Yeah, probably.