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It has been one year since Joe Biden assumed the presidency. How would you rate his performance?

Excellent: he has positively exceeded expectations and I am thrilled with his service to the people
5
3%
Good: he has met expectations and I am generally satisfied with his service to the people
12
7%
Decent: he has met some expectations though I could be happier with his service to the people
51
30%
Bad: he has yet to meet expectations and I am generally unsatisfied with his service to the people
36
21%
Abysmal: he has negatively exceeded expectations and I believe he may be unfit to serve the people
65
38%
 
Total votes : 169

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Umeria
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Postby Umeria » Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:49 pm

Untecna wrote:Another piece of news on BBB: Democrats will block BBB without tax break

Jan 21 (Reuters) - Several U.S. House members from President Joe Biden's Democratic Party are threatening to block a renewed push for his Build Back Better spending bill if it does not include the expansion of a federal deduction for taxes paid to states and local entities.

Expanding the deduction, known as SALT for State and Local Taxes, has been a demand of lawmakers in higher-tax states such as California, New Jersey and New York, especially in suburbs where Democrats seek to retain control in Nov. 8 elections.

"We support the president’s agenda, and if there are any efforts that include a change in the tax code, then a SALT fix must be part of it. No SALT, no deal," members Tom Suozzi of New York and Mikie Sherrill and Josh Gottheimer, both of New Jersey, said in a joint statement late on Thursday.

The SALT deduction, part of the U.S. income tax code from its inception more than a century ago, was restricted to $10,000 in a 2017 Republican tax law.

The cap disproportionately affects homeowners in higher home-value states that lean toward the Democratic Party, like New Jersey, where the average homeowner pays roughly $9,000 in local property taxes.

Asked about the House lawmakers' demand, a Biden White House official said: "We are in touch with a wide range of lawmakers regarding the president’s economic growth plan for the middle class, and weighed in about SALT late last year, but we won’t negotiate in public."

The "SALT caucus" has more than 30 members in the House of Representatives who want to expand the deduction, including some Republicans, congressional aides say.

Their demand adds to the challenges the White House faces as it tries to salvage some of Biden's $1.7 trillion spending package and push it through with slim congressional majorities.

As the White House tries to downsize that bill, it may need to jettison hundreds of billions of dollars in social programs, but preserve SALT, a tax deduction that some in the party call a giveaway to the rich.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi can only afford three defections because Democrats narrowly control a majority in the 435-member House.

The House passed a version of Biden’s social-spending bill that increased the cap to $80,000, despite objections from some progressives that it largely benefits higher-income households. The bill died in the 100-member Senate for lack of majority Democratic support.

If a group of progressive Democrats did this they would be called insane, obstructionist, helping the Republicans, etc. When these people do it it's because they're in a tough race this November.
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Zurkerx
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Postby Zurkerx » Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:56 pm

Michigan Republicans have filed federal suit against Michigan’s new independent redistricting commission over congressional district lines adopted last month that they say violate both federal and state standards. They claim two things:

First, the districts drawn are of unequal populations in violation of U.S. Supreme Court precedent. The numbers they're complaining about?

The suit points to population disparities between districts that are slightly unbalanced: A southern district currently represented by Rep. Tim Walberg (R) has about 635 fewer residents than Michigan’s average congressional district should have, while a Detroit-area district represented by Rep. Brenda Lawrence (D) has 487 more people than the statewide average.

Those variances are just a fraction of a percentage point off the 775,179 residents who should live in an average congressional district in Michigan, based on the results of the 2020 Census.

But even slight variations matter, and most states draw their boundary lines to come as close to exactly even as possible. In neighboring Indiana, legislators crafted maps that deviate from the statewide average of 753,949 residents by no more than a single person.


Second, the Republicans allege the commission ranked varying priorities over others in an arbitrary way that violated state law.

The lawsuit also claims the commission favored criteria of partisan fairness over other priorities meant to be considered first, including compactness of districts and the existing boundaries of local government entities like counties, cities and towns. Favoring one criterion over others, the plaintiffs said, violated their 14th Amendment rights.

“[W]hen the Commissioners arbitrarily and inconsistently applied their state constitutional requirements of keeping counties and townships whole and maintaining communities of interest, they violated the Equal Protection Clause,” the lawsuit alleges.


The GOP aren't the only ones filing a lawsuit: a group of Detroit-area Black legislators challenged district map lines they said would improperly dilute the voices of minority communities across the state. The current map eliminates two Republican leaning districts while it adds one competitive district. Michigan lost an Electoral Vote due to the 2020 census.
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Postby Jinggangshan » Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:57 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Jinggangshan wrote:
Then your country is truly lost.


Because things like this don’t ever happen in Europe, right?


Banning masks? Certainly not, quite the opposite in fact. We mandate distancing, masks and vaccination restrictions EU-wide. Sauce
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:58 pm

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... mocrats-to

A GOP lawmaker in Wisconsin was secretly caught on video threatening to punch the state's governor and arguing Republicans need to "cheat like the Democrats" if the party wants to win future elections.

In a 27-minute video posted Thursday on Youtube, Rep. Elijah Behnke, who took office last April, appears to be speaking to a group of visitors somewhere in the capitol building in Madison.

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Free Algerstonia
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Postby Free Algerstonia » Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:58 pm

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisakim/20 ... 15e2433e4a

Billionaire Mark Cuban Opens Online Pharmacy To Provide Affordable Generic Drugs
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Zurkerx
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Postby Zurkerx » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:00 pm

Untecna wrote:House select committee obtains Jan. 6th records after Supreme Court ruling

WASHINGTON (AP) — The National Archives and Records Administration has provided a House committee with more than 700 pages of presidential documents after the Supreme Court rejected a bid by former President Donald Trump to block the release.

The House panel investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol insurrection received the documents Thursday evening, according to a person familiar with the handover who requested anonymity to discuss it. The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the archives could turn over the documents, which include presidential diaries, visitor logs, speech drafts and handwritten notes dealing with Jan. 6 from the files of former chief of staff Mark Meadows.

Trump’s lawyers had hoped to prolong the court fight and keep the documents on hold.

The documents, which the panel first requested in August, will add to the tens of thousands the committee has already gathered as it investigates the attack by a violent mob of Trump’s supporters and what the former president and his aides were doing while it unfolded. The panel has done around 350 interviews and plans a series of hearings and reports this year as it seeks to compile the most comprehensive accounting yet of the insurrection.


We'll have to see what these documents have to show but I would imagine we'll learn a lot more now. Hopefully it'll lead to criminal referrals and legislation to prevent something like this from happening though my confidence in that is low. Still, this is a major step in potentially holding Trump and his allies accountable.
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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:10 pm

Jinggangshan wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Because things like this don’t ever happen in Europe, right?


Banning masks? Certainly not, quite the opposite in fact. We mandate distancing, masks and vaccination restrictions EU-wide. Sauce


I don’t understand why are people in Europe more accepting of this but Americans aren’t? This is a legitimate question that I’ve had for a long time.

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Horizonte Mexico
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Postby Horizonte Mexico » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:14 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:I don’t understand why are people in Europe more accepting of this but Americans aren’t? This is a legitimate question that I’ve had for a long time.

Cultural differences

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:14 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Jinggangshan wrote:
Banning masks? Certainly not, quite the opposite in fact. We mandate distancing, masks and vaccination restrictions EU-wide. Sauce


I don’t understand why are people in Europe more accepting of this but Americans aren’t? This is a legitimate question that I’ve had for a long time.


Americans have an extremely low scientific literacy on average so they're very quick to be doubtful of everything like this.
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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:17 pm

Horizonte Mexico wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:I don’t understand why are people in Europe more accepting of this but Americans aren’t? This is a legitimate question that I’ve had for a long time.

Cultural differences


That’s one reason.
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
I don’t understand why are people in Europe more accepting of this but Americans aren’t? This is a legitimate question that I’ve had for a long time.


Americans have an extremely low scientific literacy on average so they're very quick to be doubtful of everything like this.


We need to boost education.

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Postby New haven america » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:30 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Jinggangshan wrote:
Banning masks? Certainly not, quite the opposite in fact. We mandate distancing, masks and vaccination restrictions EU-wide. Sauce


I don’t understand why are people in Europe more accepting of this but Americans aren’t? This is a legitimate question that I’ve had for a long time.

American's in generally have a very low scientific literacy rate compared to the other developed nations.

American culture also praises the individual above all else and doing your own thing regardless of what others think or say.

You mix those 2 bits together and you get the comical issues like people thinking masks can kill you through suffocation despite scientists and medical practitioners wearing them daily and considering it government tyranny when they become required.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:34 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Horizonte Mexico wrote:Cultural differences


That’s one reason.
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Americans have an extremely low scientific literacy on average so they're very quick to be doubtful of everything like this.


We need to boost education.

And then anti-intellectualism rears its ugly head and bans books.

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Jinggangshan
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Postby Jinggangshan » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:36 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Jinggangshan wrote:
Banning masks? Certainly not, quite the opposite in fact. We mandate distancing, masks and vaccination restrictions EU-wide. Sauce


I don’t understand why are people in Europe more accepting of this but Americans aren’t? This is a legitimate question that I’ve had for a long time.


Me neither. But look at their politics, it's not only science...how many times have we thought "surely they are not gonna elect that man, they can't be that stupid..."

I really hope that, even when this shit is over, masks are to stay. In the first covid-wave and the first winter both we had a significant drops in non-covid-related deaths, due to masks preventing normal infections.

That said we have our own idiots, here in Germany they are unsurprisingly linked to the far-right political side (two kinds of idiot attracting each other I guess) and the parties of the left are most vehement in trying to get mkandatory vaccination implemented soon. Also just started the motion to raise the minimum wage (to 12€, that's 14$), and to get rid of private health insurances and went ahead on the international scene...yes, Scholz is a good social democrat. And he didn't even fall for the propaganda about Xinjiang!

Your White House is already worried, it seems. :roll:

...and don't fool yourself, nobody will be halting Nordstream for some US powergames with Putin.
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Postby Shekelesh » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:39 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Jinggangshan wrote:
Banning masks? Certainly not, quite the opposite in fact. We mandate distancing, masks and vaccination restrictions EU-wide. Sauce


I don’t understand why are people in Europe more accepting of this but Americans aren’t? This is a legitimate question that I’ve had for a long time.

Europe isn't a monolith. There are a number of European countries where people are either ignoring guidelines or not getting vaccinated. Europe is all over the board with vaccination rates with some of the highest (in Portugal and Denmark) and some of the lowest (in Slovakia and Bosnia). The US has higher rates of vaccination rates than a number of European countries and is barely below much cherished and wanked over Switzerland, Luxembourg, and Latvia.
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:44 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Jinggangshan wrote:
Banning masks? Certainly not, quite the opposite in fact. We mandate distancing, masks and vaccination restrictions EU-wide. Sauce


I don’t understand why are people in Europe more accepting of this but Americans aren’t? This is a legitimate question that I’ve had for a long time.

Americans don't allow the government to tell them what to do nearly as much.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:49 pm

Genivaria wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
That’s one reason.

We need to boost education.

And then anti-intellectualism rears its ugly head and bans books.


Kill anti-intellectualism.
Jinggangshan wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
I don’t understand why are people in Europe more accepting of this but Americans aren’t? This is a legitimate question that I’ve had for a long time.


Me neither. But look at their politics, it's not only science...how many times have we thought "surely they are not gonna elect that man, they can't be that stupid..."

I really hope that, even when this shit is over, masks are to stay. In the first covid-wave and the first winter both we had a significant drops in non-covid-related deaths, due to masks preventing normal infections.

That said we have our own idiots, here in Germany they are unsurprisingly linked to the far-right political side (two kinds of idiot attracting each other I guess) and the parties of the left are most vehement in trying to get mkandatory vaccination implemented soon. Also just started the motion to raise the minimum wage (to 12€, that's 14$), and to get rid of private health insurances and went ahead on the international scene...yes, Scholz is a good social democrat. And he didn't even fall for the propaganda about Xinjiang!

Your White House is already worried, it seems. :roll:

...and don't fool yourself, nobody will be halting Nordstream for some US powergames with Putin.


I heard that Anti-Vaxxers plotted to kill Bavaria’s governor.
Diopolis wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
I don’t understand why are people in Europe more accepting of this but Americans aren’t? This is a legitimate question that I’ve had for a long time.

Americans don't allow the government to tell them what to do nearly as much.


Well in my eyes this pandemic is a war and we are soldiers. In the military you can’t do whatever the heck you want. So we need to treat this like we are fighting a war.

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Postby Shekelesh » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:50 pm

It's not like there aren't highly individualistic countries in Europe either. The Netherlands, Germany, and Czechia are all considered individualistic cultures. But I guess this isn't as much fun as wanking over Europeaness?
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Postby Port Caverton » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:51 pm

Shekelesh wrote:It's not like there aren't highly individualistic countries in Europe either. The Netherlands, Germany, and Czechia are all considered individualistic cultures. But I guess this isn't as much fun as wanking over Europeaness?

But US bad!!1!
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:51 pm

Shekelesh wrote:It's not like there aren't highly individualistic countries in Europe either. The Netherlands, Germany, and Czechia are all considered individualistic cultures. But I guess this isn't as much fun as wanking over Europeaness?


I knew Europe was made up of many countries, but I’ve been wondering why people in Portugal or Denmark would be more accepting to certain measures while Americans are militantly against it.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:51 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Genivaria wrote:And then anti-intellectualism rears its ugly head and bans books.


Kill anti-intellectualism.


Unless you trample all over free speech you can't.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:52 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Kill anti-intellectualism.


Unless you trample all over free speech you can't.


Oh. Can we at least discourage it?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:55 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Unless you trample all over free speech you can't.


Oh. Can we at least discourage it?


I mean, you could try, but conservatives (and some liberals too) are just going to ignore such attempts.
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Postby Shekelesh » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:57 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Shekelesh wrote:It's not like there aren't highly individualistic countries in Europe either. The Netherlands, Germany, and Czechia are all considered individualistic cultures. But I guess this isn't as much fun as wanking over Europeaness?


I knew Europe was made up of many countries, but I’ve been wondering why people in Portugal or Denmark would be more accepting to certain measures while Americans are militantly against it.

I dunno why are they more more vaxxed than Poles, Czechs, and people in Monaco. In fact why are Americans more vaxxed than them? Probably many reasons.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:00 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Oh. Can we at least discourage it?


I mean, you could try, but conservatives (and some liberals too) are just going to ignore such attempts.


How about a smear campaign?

“Anti-Intellectuals are agents of the devil.” Something along those lines.

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Postby New haven america » Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:01 pm

Shekelesh wrote:1. It's not like there aren't highly individualistic countries in Europe either. 2. The Netherlands, Germany, and Czechia are all considered individualistic cultures. 3. But I guess this isn't as much fun as wanking over Europeaness?

1. On the scale of America or Canada? No, they're not.
2. Refer to point 1
3. You're the only one here doing that. The rest of us were just pointing out a fact.
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