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by Zurkerx » Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:43 am

by Caleonia » Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:56 am
Great Algerstonia wrote:Caleonia wrote:Oh good god what has this nation become…
This nation has fallen.
Riots in the streets. ANTIFA gaining ground everywhere. Bidenflation destroying families. Communist parties controlling two branches of government. China's claws getting more entrenched every day.
But America is not lost.
Millions of patriots prepare in their homes. Guns. Bibles. Flags. They prepare for our great liberation. Despite our institutions veering against the great American people, we endure. We fought the British. We fought the Mexicans. We fought the Japanese. Now, we prepare for our next great conflict. The second 1776. The great twilight of the American patriots. A light lies at the end of the tunnel, and that light is a flame that will never extinguish.
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! MAKE AMERICA GREAT FOREVER! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!

by Skelly Man Dan » Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:09 am
Ifreann wrote:Zurkerx wrote:Oh boy, this is probably not going to end well: Trump will hold a news conference on the anniversary of the deadly attack on the US Capitol.
Gonna be some riots for sure.


by Caleonia » Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:13 am

by Rusozak » Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:13 am
Skelly Man Dan wrote:Ifreann wrote:Gonna be some riots for sure.
Part of me wonders if Trump sees 1/6 as the way to get stuff “done”, and after watching aides and friends give in to the investigation (that he insists they should refuse) is trying to catch lightning in a bottle again.
More specifically, I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried a “let’s do it again, but better this time” and flat out implicated himself in the last time’s events in the process.

by Caleonia » Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:16 am
Rusozak wrote:Skelly Man Dan wrote:
Part of me wonders if Trump sees 1/6 as the way to get stuff “done”, and after watching aides and friends give in to the investigation (that he insists they should refuse) is trying to catch lightning in a bottle again.
More specifically, I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried a “let’s do it again, but better this time” and flat out implicated himself in the last time’s events in the process.
I almost hope he tries it again just so we can all watch him get carted away in cuffs after failing miserably. Just so long no one dies this time.

by The Jamesian Republic » Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:16 am
Skelly Man Dan wrote:Ifreann wrote:Gonna be some riots for sure.
Part of me wonders if Trump sees 1/6 as the way to get stuff “done”, and after watching aides and friends give in to the investigation (that he insists they should refuse) is trying to catch lightning in a bottle again.
More specifically, I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried a “let’s do it again, but better this time” and flat out implicated himself in the last time’s events in the process.

by Ifreann » Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:17 am

by Cannot think of a name » Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:18 am
Zurkerx wrote:Oh boy, this is probably not going to end well: Trump will hold a news conference on the anniversary of the deadly attack on the US Capitol.

by Caleonia » Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:19 am
The Jamesian Republic wrote:Skelly Man Dan wrote:
Part of me wonders if Trump sees 1/6 as the way to get stuff “done”, and after watching aides and friends give in to the investigation (that he insists they should refuse) is trying to catch lightning in a bottle again.
More specifically, I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried a “let’s do it again, but better this time” and flat out implicated himself in the last time’s events in the process.
I hate to suggest this but what are the odds they might resort to even worse violence?

by Deblar » Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:19 am
Cannot think of a name wrote:Zurkerx wrote:Oh boy, this is probably not going to end well: Trump will hold a news conference on the anniversary of the deadly attack on the US Capitol.
Remember when this level of tone deafness was a daily thing?

by Ifreann » Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:21 am
Cannot think of a name wrote:Zurkerx wrote:Oh boy, this is probably not going to end well: Trump will hold a news conference on the anniversary of the deadly attack on the US Capitol.
Remember when this level of tone deafness was a daily thing?

by Caleonia » Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:22 am

by The Jamesian Republic » Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:25 am

by Zurkerx » Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:26 am
Zurkerx wrote:Oh boy, this is probably not going to end well: Trump will hold a news conference on the anniversary of the deadly attack on the US Capitol.
Donald Trump sent two interesting emails in the past 24 hours, messages with a common theme. One is the focus of this article, Trump’s announcement that he will hold a “news conference” at Mar-a-Lago on Jan. 6, the first anniversary of the violence at the U.S. Capitol. But the other establishes useful context for that announcement, so we’ll begin with it.
A bit before 10 p.m., I received an email from Save America PAC, a Trump fundraising committee that has been raking in cash since he lost the 2020 presidential election. As always, it was a prompt for me to give money, and in doing so, the author (purportedly Trump himself) claimed that “the media and their Democrat partners spent YEARS lying about me to the American People and it turns out I was RIGHT all along.”
As evidence of this bold claim, the email offered a litany of items about which “the Radical Left” now admitted Trump was right. Such as that “hydroxychloroquine works” or that the coronavirus “came from a Chinese lab” or that “Lafayette Square was not cleared for a photo op.”
You should notice two things about these assertions. The first is that they’re entirely stale, dating to June, when conservative media seized upon a report about hydroxychloroquine as evidence that Trump had been right about the drug all along. He wasn’t, of course, which is why those who contract covid-19 — as Trump did — don’t actually see it administered. But his team whipped up this list of “things Trump was proven right about.”
That leads to the second observation you probably made: These are not issues on which he was vindicated. There is no proof of the point of origin of the novel coronavirus. His claim about Lafayette Square is predicated on an incomplete report assessing the timing of that infamous moment in June 2020. It’s just stuff he wants to say he was right about that he’s glomming together to create a trend. And then this list just gets worked into the rotation of efforts to distance his supporters from their money.
I start with this email because it establishes the pattern. Trump builds up a narrative that he bolsters with shoddy evidence and then just repeats it, ignoring the constraints of demonstrated reality that more-scrupulous actors might apply. And so, hours after throwing this lazy bit of rhetoric at me in hopes that I will would him money, we get Trump’s formal “statement” about his plans for Jan. 6, 2021.
It is a presidential statement in a very Trumpian form, about 400 words in a half-dozen sentences riddled with commas and pejoratives. The essence of the message is that Trump will mark the anniversary of the attack on the Capitol by talking to the news media about “the CAUSE of the January 6th protest, which was the rigged Presidential Election of 2020.” It ends with another hoary/fraught line from his cabinet: “the insurrection took place on November 3rd, it was the completely unarmed protest of the rigged election that took place on January 6th.
There’s not much to say about his claims of a rigged election that hasn’t been said before. It’s complete nonsense, unfounded in any way, as repeated investigations have made clear. If at this point you still think there was any significant fraud in the 2020 election, there’s nothing I can present to you that will change your mind. You’ve willfully decided to ignore all available evidence in service of your belief, and trying to change your mind by presenting more evidence would be like trying to get to the moon by doubling your output of wishes.
What’s important here, of course, is that Trump is using the anniversary of the violence to restart the cycle — violence that he fostered (by repeatedly making false claims about the election in the months after he lost), that he made possible (by actively encouraging people to come to D.C. on that day) and that he declined to try to curtail (by not making any significant statement of opposition as the Capitol was overrun). It’s like the drunk driver who drove into your living room then holding a news conference to promote his new vodka line.
Except it’s far worse than that. It’s an effort to rationalize what occurred at the Capitol. There’s always a reason for Trump to raise his false claims — fundraising in the case of his “I was right all along” email or self-soothing in his assertions about the election — but the elevation of them does ancillary damage. Again, the Capitol was overrun specifically because of the claims that Trump now says he will again make at his news conference. There was never much question about whether Trump supported what occurred at the Capitol, but here he is, once again, downplaying the violence and asserting that it was justified.
Two things came together to make the riot on Jan. 6 possible: motivation and opportunity. Trump has never pulled his foot off the gas on the motivation aspect: those claims about fraud. But, happily, another moment has not arisen when those inclined to believe his false assertions are all gathered in one place and whipped into a frenzy — although it’s a bit like keeping an empty frying pan over high heat on your stove. It just takes a little splash of oil to create a disaster.
Trump is not an honest person. Again, if you demand evidence to bolster that point, no evidence will convince you, so I’m not going to belabor it. His claims about how he was right all along are not honest, and his claims about the 2020 election are obviously false. In each case, he wants you to believe those things because he wants something from you: respectively, cash and anger. That he followed up an email riddled with dishonest assertions with a dishonest presentation of the worst attack on the Capitol in 200 years is telling.
As I was writing this, another email arrived asking for money. “You need to see what President Trump said,” it declared, then showed a statement from Dec. 4 about how anyone who doesn’t think there was fraud in the 2020 election is either “very stupid, or very corrupt!”
“Don’t you agree?” it continued. Then: “The truth is, we desperately need at least $45 from EACH Patriot reading this email if we are going to have the necessary resources to solve the election fraud of 2020.”
Cash and anger, consequences be damned.

by Corrian » Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:27 am

by Caleonia » Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:33 am
Zurkerx wrote:Ifreann wrote:Bingo. Trump's people are probably already planning trips to Washington, or to some local federal building, in anticipation of him telling them the time to strike is at hand.
Correct as I will elaborate below:Zurkerx wrote:Oh boy, this is probably not going to end well: Trump will hold a news conference on the anniversary of the deadly attack on the US Capitol.
To further expand on this since Fox doesn't have this email, here you all go:
It is a presidential statement in a very Trumpian form, about 400 words in a half-dozen sentences riddled with commas and pejoratives. The essence of the message is that Trump will mark the anniversary of the attack on the Capitol by talking to the news media about “the CAUSE of the January 6th protest, which was the rigged Presidential Election of 2020.” It ends with another hoary/fraught line from his cabinet: “the insurrection took place on November 3rd, it was the completely unarmed protest of the rigged election that took place on January 6th.
Basically, he's defaulting to his rigged election claims to justify Jan. 6th (it was a patriotic duty to sworn and stop this fraudulent election!).
Yeah, the man is probably going to cause violence. Not that they necessarily need him: many of his supporters are standing ready to seize power if he loses 2024.Donald Trump sent two interesting emails in the past 24 hours, messages with a common theme. One is the focus of this article, Trump’s announcement that he will hold a “news conference” at Mar-a-Lago on Jan. 6, the first anniversary of the violence at the U.S. Capitol. But the other establishes useful context for that announcement, so we’ll begin with it.
A bit before 10 p.m., I received an email from Save America PAC, a Trump fundraising committee that has been raking in cash since he lost the 2020 presidential election. As always, it was a prompt for me to give money, and in doing so, the author (purportedly Trump himself) claimed that “the media and their Democrat partners spent YEARS lying about me to the American People and it turns out I was RIGHT all along.”
As evidence of this bold claim, the email offered a litany of items about which “the Radical Left” now admitted Trump was right. Such as that “hydroxychloroquine works” or that the coronavirus “came from a Chinese lab” or that “Lafayette Square was not cleared for a photo op.”
You should notice two things about these assertions. The first is that they’re entirely stale, dating to June, when conservative media seized upon a report about hydroxychloroquine as evidence that Trump had been right about the drug all along. He wasn’t, of course, which is why those who contract covid-19 — as Trump did — don’t actually see it administered. But his team whipped up this list of “things Trump was proven right about.”
That leads to the second observation you probably made: These are not issues on which he was vindicated. There is no proof of the point of origin of the novel coronavirus. His claim about Lafayette Square is predicated on an incomplete report assessing the timing of that infamous moment in June 2020. It’s just stuff he wants to say he was right about that he’s glomming together to create a trend. And then this list just gets worked into the rotation of efforts to distance his supporters from their money.
I start with this email because it establishes the pattern. Trump builds up a narrative that he bolsters with shoddy evidence and then just repeats it, ignoring the constraints of demonstrated reality that more-scrupulous actors might apply. And so, hours after throwing this lazy bit of rhetoric at me in hopes that I will would him money, we get Trump’s formal “statement” about his plans for Jan. 6, 2021.
It is a presidential statement in a very Trumpian form, about 400 words in a half-dozen sentences riddled with commas and pejoratives. The essence of the message is that Trump will mark the anniversary of the attack on the Capitol by talking to the news media about “the CAUSE of the January 6th protest, which was the rigged Presidential Election of 2020.” It ends with another hoary/fraught line from his cabinet: “the insurrection took place on November 3rd, it was the completely unarmed protest of the rigged election that took place on January 6th.
There’s not much to say about his claims of a rigged election that hasn’t been said before. It’s complete nonsense, unfounded in any way, as repeated investigations have made clear. If at this point you still think there was any significant fraud in the 2020 election, there’s nothing I can present to you that will change your mind. You’ve willfully decided to ignore all available evidence in service of your belief, and trying to change your mind by presenting more evidence would be like trying to get to the moon by doubling your output of wishes.
What’s important here, of course, is that Trump is using the anniversary of the violence to restart the cycle — violence that he fostered (by repeatedly making false claims about the election in the months after he lost), that he made possible (by actively encouraging people to come to D.C. on that day) and that he declined to try to curtail (by not making any significant statement of opposition as the Capitol was overrun). It’s like the drunk driver who drove into your living room then holding a news conference to promote his new vodka line.
Except it’s far worse than that. It’s an effort to rationalize what occurred at the Capitol. There’s always a reason for Trump to raise his false claims — fundraising in the case of his “I was right all along” email or self-soothing in his assertions about the election — but the elevation of them does ancillary damage. Again, the Capitol was overrun specifically because of the claims that Trump now says he will again make at his news conference. There was never much question about whether Trump supported what occurred at the Capitol, but here he is, once again, downplaying the violence and asserting that it was justified.
Two things came together to make the riot on Jan. 6 possible: motivation and opportunity. Trump has never pulled his foot off the gas on the motivation aspect: those claims about fraud. But, happily, another moment has not arisen when those inclined to believe his false assertions are all gathered in one place and whipped into a frenzy — although it’s a bit like keeping an empty frying pan over high heat on your stove. It just takes a little splash of oil to create a disaster.
Trump is not an honest person. Again, if you demand evidence to bolster that point, no evidence will convince you, so I’m not going to belabor it. His claims about how he was right all along are not honest, and his claims about the 2020 election are obviously false. In each case, he wants you to believe those things because he wants something from you: respectively, cash and anger. That he followed up an email riddled with dishonest assertions with a dishonest presentation of the worst attack on the Capitol in 200 years is telling.
As I was writing this, another email arrived asking for money. “You need to see what President Trump said,” it declared, then showed a statement from Dec. 4 about how anyone who doesn’t think there was fraud in the 2020 election is either “very stupid, or very corrupt!”
“Don’t you agree?” it continued. Then: “The truth is, we desperately need at least $45 from EACH Patriot reading this email if we are going to have the necessary resources to solve the election fraud of 2020.”
Cash and anger, consequences be damned.

by Zurkerx » Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:47 am
Caleonia wrote:Zurkerx wrote:
Correct as I will elaborate below:
To further expand on this since Fox doesn't have this email, here you all go:
It is a presidential statement in a very Trumpian form, about 400 words in a half-dozen sentences riddled with commas and pejoratives. The essence of the message is that Trump will mark the anniversary of the attack on the Capitol by talking to the news media about “the CAUSE of the January 6th protest, which was the rigged Presidential Election of 2020.” It ends with another hoary/fraught line from his cabinet: “the insurrection took place on November 3rd, it was the completely unarmed protest of the rigged election that took place on January 6th.
Basically, he's defaulting to his rigged election claims to justify Jan. 6th (it was a patriotic duty to sworn and stop this fraudulent election!).
Yeah, the man is probably going to cause violence. Not that they necessarily need him: many of his supporters are standing ready to seize power if he loses 2024.Donald Trump sent two interesting emails in the past 24 hours, messages with a common theme. One is the focus of this article, Trump’s announcement that he will hold a “news conference” at Mar-a-Lago on Jan. 6, the first anniversary of the violence at the U.S. Capitol. But the other establishes useful context for that announcement, so we’ll begin with it.
A bit before 10 p.m., I received an email from Save America PAC, a Trump fundraising committee that has been raking in cash since he lost the 2020 presidential election. As always, it was a prompt for me to give money, and in doing so, the author (purportedly Trump himself) claimed that “the media and their Democrat partners spent YEARS lying about me to the American People and it turns out I was RIGHT all along.”
As evidence of this bold claim, the email offered a litany of items about which “the Radical Left” now admitted Trump was right. Such as that “hydroxychloroquine works” or that the coronavirus “came from a Chinese lab” or that “Lafayette Square was not cleared for a photo op.”
You should notice two things about these assertions. The first is that they’re entirely stale, dating to June, when conservative media seized upon a report about hydroxychloroquine as evidence that Trump had been right about the drug all along. He wasn’t, of course, which is why those who contract covid-19 — as Trump did — don’t actually see it administered. But his team whipped up this list of “things Trump was proven right about.”
That leads to the second observation you probably made: These are not issues on which he was vindicated. There is no proof of the point of origin of the novel coronavirus. His claim about Lafayette Square is predicated on an incomplete report assessing the timing of that infamous moment in June 2020. It’s just stuff he wants to say he was right about that he’s glomming together to create a trend. And then this list just gets worked into the rotation of efforts to distance his supporters from their money.
I start with this email because it establishes the pattern. Trump builds up a narrative that he bolsters with shoddy evidence and then just repeats it, ignoring the constraints of demonstrated reality that more-scrupulous actors might apply. And so, hours after throwing this lazy bit of rhetoric at me in hopes that I will would him money, we get Trump’s formal “statement” about his plans for Jan. 6, 2021.
It is a presidential statement in a very Trumpian form, about 400 words in a half-dozen sentences riddled with commas and pejoratives. The essence of the message is that Trump will mark the anniversary of the attack on the Capitol by talking to the news media about “the CAUSE of the January 6th protest, which was the rigged Presidential Election of 2020.” It ends with another hoary/fraught line from his cabinet: “the insurrection took place on November 3rd, it was the completely unarmed protest of the rigged election that took place on January 6th.
There’s not much to say about his claims of a rigged election that hasn’t been said before. It’s complete nonsense, unfounded in any way, as repeated investigations have made clear. If at this point you still think there was any significant fraud in the 2020 election, there’s nothing I can present to you that will change your mind. You’ve willfully decided to ignore all available evidence in service of your belief, and trying to change your mind by presenting more evidence would be like trying to get to the moon by doubling your output of wishes.
What’s important here, of course, is that Trump is using the anniversary of the violence to restart the cycle — violence that he fostered (by repeatedly making false claims about the election in the months after he lost), that he made possible (by actively encouraging people to come to D.C. on that day) and that he declined to try to curtail (by not making any significant statement of opposition as the Capitol was overrun). It’s like the drunk driver who drove into your living room then holding a news conference to promote his new vodka line.
Except it’s far worse than that. It’s an effort to rationalize what occurred at the Capitol. There’s always a reason for Trump to raise his false claims — fundraising in the case of his “I was right all along” email or self-soothing in his assertions about the election — but the elevation of them does ancillary damage. Again, the Capitol was overrun specifically because of the claims that Trump now says he will again make at his news conference. There was never much question about whether Trump supported what occurred at the Capitol, but here he is, once again, downplaying the violence and asserting that it was justified.
Two things came together to make the riot on Jan. 6 possible: motivation and opportunity. Trump has never pulled his foot off the gas on the motivation aspect: those claims about fraud. But, happily, another moment has not arisen when those inclined to believe his false assertions are all gathered in one place and whipped into a frenzy — although it’s a bit like keeping an empty frying pan over high heat on your stove. It just takes a little splash of oil to create a disaster.
Trump is not an honest person. Again, if you demand evidence to bolster that point, no evidence will convince you, so I’m not going to belabor it. His claims about how he was right all along are not honest, and his claims about the 2020 election are obviously false. In each case, he wants you to believe those things because he wants something from you: respectively, cash and anger. That he followed up an email riddled with dishonest assertions with a dishonest presentation of the worst attack on the Capitol in 200 years is telling.
As I was writing this, another email arrived asking for money. “You need to see what President Trump said,” it declared, then showed a statement from Dec. 4 about how anyone who doesn’t think there was fraud in the 2020 election is either “very stupid, or very corrupt!”
“Don’t you agree?” it continued. Then: “The truth is, we desperately need at least $45 from EACH Patriot reading this email if we are going to have the necessary resources to solve the election fraud of 2020.”
Cash and anger, consequences be damned.
I would say that I badly want to get out of this hellhole but then I realized that immigration is basically on lockdown… fudge.


by Fiorina-Fury 161 » Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:26 pm


by Genivaria » Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:37 pm
In commenting on the ratification, BCTGM International President Anthony Shelton stated, “Our striking members at Kellogg’s ready-to-eat cereal production facilities courageously stood their ground and sacrificed so much in order to achieve a fair contract. This agreement makes gains and does not include any concessions,” Shelton notes.
Highlights of the new five-year collective bargaining agreement:
• No take aways; No concessions
• No permanent two-tier system
• A clear path to regular full-time employment
• Plant closing moratorium: No plant shut downs through October 2026
• A significant increase in the pension multiplier
• Maintenance of cost of living raises
“Our entire Union commends and thanks Kellogg’s members. From picket line to picket line, Kellogg’s union members stood strong and undeterred in this fight, inspiring generations of workers across the globe, who were energized by their tremendous show of bravery as they stood up to fight and never once backed down.
“The BCTGM is grateful to AFL-CIO President Liz Shuler for mobilizing the AFL-CIO and its affiliates in support of our striking Kellogg’s members. Once again, President Shuler has provided highly effective leadership in support of the BCTGM and our members.
“The BCTGM is grateful, as well, for the outpouring of fraternal support we received from across the labor movement for our striking members at Kellogg’s. Solidarity was critical to this great workers’ victory.”

by The Black Forrest » Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:41 pm
Fiorina-Fury 161 wrote:This is funny. I saw a post on my friend's Twitter of a video he took at his brother's university campus. There was a protest demanding that Biden cancel student debt and the protesters were all holding signs that said Let's Go, Brandon. I guess anything to try to get his attention
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