American Politics IX: Winter is Coming

[Ifreann]

it also puts a lot of pressure on manchin. he's a huge coal magnate, remember?

Yes this it folks. We have found the key.

Yeah, it was us. We've saved America. We invented the concept of industrial action.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Yes this it folks. We have found the key.

Yeah, it was us. We've saved America. We invented the concept of industrial action.

The threat of industrial action could persuade him. After all industrial action affects production which affects the economy and also affects his pocket.

[Ifreann]

Yeah, it was us. We've saved America. We invented the concept of industrial action.

The threat of industrial action could persuade him. After all industrial action affects production which affects the economy and also affects his pocket.

Yeah, I know, it's not a new idea.

[The Jamesian Republic]

The threat of industrial action could persuade him. After all industrial action affects production which affects the economy and also affects his pocket.

Yeah, I know, it's not a new idea.

I knew that as well. But it could be the only thing that stands between getting good infrastructure and the continued decline and eventual collapse of it all.

[Vinnitsia]

Hey bozos manchin is looking out for his constituents, ALL of them, vs. Toeing the party line. Isn't that what elected politicians are supposed to do? If a certain bill will harm the majority of your constituents (the people youre supposed to give a voice to in washington) then you should reflect their views. Just because a republican is elected in a state it doesnt mean they can just ignore their democratic voters' problems, and vice versa.

[Caleonia]

Oh I was wondering where this was. I’m blind, lol.

Anyway, I just hope there is a coal worker strike. That is all.

[Caleonia]

Schumer vows vote on Biden's $1.75 trillion bill despite Manchin's rejection

With Biden spending plan blocked, economists lower 2022 growth forecasts

It's a sombering fact that economists pretty much agree that the only way the United States will have any economic growth is by the government throwing vast amounts of money around.

Sombering? I think it’s a good thing.

[Ifreann]

Hey bozos manchin is looking out for his constituents, ALL of them, vs. Toeing the party line. Isn't that what elected politicians are supposed to do? If a certain bill will harm the majority of your constituents (the people youre supposed to give a voice to in washington) then you should reflect their views. Just because a republican is elected in a state it doesnt mean they can just ignore their democratic voters' problems, and vice versa.

Manchin's looking after his own wallet.

[Spirit of Hope]

Hey bozos manchin is looking out for his constituents, ALL of them, vs. Toeing the party line. Isn't that what elected politicians are supposed to do? If a certain bill will harm the majority of your constituents (the people youre supposed to give a voice to in washington) then you should reflect their views. Just because a republican is elected in a state it doesnt mean they can just ignore their democratic voters' problems, and vice versa.

Manchin's looking after his own wallet.

Have to wonder how being apposed to a child tax credit is good for his constituents. Especially when West Virginia has the 7th highest child poverty rate.

[Great Algerstonia]

Child tax credit is dangerous because that makes America more socialist

[Vassenor]

Hey bozos manchin is looking out for his constituents, ALL of them, vs. Toeing the party line. Isn't that what elected politicians are supposed to do? If a certain bill will harm the majority of your constituents (the people youre supposed to give a voice to in washington) then you should reflect their views. Just because a republican is elected in a state it doesnt mean they can just ignore their democratic voters' problems, and vice versa.

So throwing out something supported by an overwhelming majority of his constituents is "reflecting their views"?

[Spirit of Hope]

Child tax credit is dangerous because that makes America more socialist

How is America becoming more "socialist" bad? I mean this is literally a proven way to make it so less children are growing up in poverty.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Child tax credit is dangerous because that makes America more socialist

Ah yes, because helping parents raise their children is “socialism”.

[Great Algerstonia]

Child tax credit is dangerous because that makes America more socialist

How is America becoming more "socialist" bad? I mean this is literally a proven way to make it so less children are growing up in poverty.

No, it's a proven way to make sure children grow up in hell and have the state steal all your money and make sure the children love Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong and Karl Marx and hate their country and hate their flag and want to shoot everybody who does not worship Kim Jong Un as a god and messiah

[The Jamesian Republic]

How is America becoming more "socialist" bad? I mean this is literally a proven way to make it so less children are growing up in poverty.

No, it's a proven way to make sure children grow up in hell and have the state steal all your money and make sure the children love Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong and Karl Marx and hate their country and hate their flag and want to shoot everybody who does not worship Kim Jong Un as a god and messiah

Didn’t you want the same thing except shoot everyone who doesn’t worship Trump?

Also [Citation Needed]

[Zurkerx]

Oh boy, this is probably not going to end well: Trump will hold a news conference on the anniversary of the deadly attack on the US Capitol.

[Caleonia]

Manchin's looking after his own wallet.

Have to wonder how being apposed to a child tax credit is good for his constituents. Especially when West Virginia has the 7th highest child poverty rate.

Keeping them impoverished means more money for him.

[Ifreann]

Oh boy, this is probably not going to end well: Trump will hold a news conference on the anniversary of the deadly attack on the US Capitol.

Gonna be some riots for sure.

[Great Algerstonia]

Oh boy, this is probably not going to end well: Trump will hold a news conference on the anniversary of the deadly attack on the US Capitol.

This is the beginning of the American utopia. The first January 6th was not a failure... it was a psychological operation. If a couple hundred patriots could take control of the U.S. Capitol, what hope does the communist occupiers have against millions of them? America will be free again! America will be right again! America will be great again!

[Caleonia]

Oh boy, this is probably not going to end well: Trump will hold a news conference on the anniversary of the deadly attack on the US Capitol.

Gonna be some riots for sure.

Hell I’d be surprised if there weren’t riots on both sides of the argument. I hate to say this, but there will most likely be a lot of people that die of unnatural causes on 1/6.

[Caleonia]

Oh boy, this is probably not going to end well: Trump will hold a news conference on the anniversary of the deadly attack on the US Capitol.

This is the beginning of the American utopia. The first January 6th was not a failure... it was a psychological operation. If a couple hundred patriots could take control of the U.S. Capitol, what hope does the communist occupiers have against millions of them? America will be free again! America will be right again! America will be great again!

Oh good god what has this nation become…

[Great Algerstonia]

This is the beginning of the American utopia. The first January 6th was not a failure... it was a psychological operation. If a couple hundred patriots could take control of the U.S. Capitol, what hope does the communist occupiers have against millions of them? America will be free again! America will be right again! America will be great again!

Oh good god what has this nation become…

This nation has fallen.

Riots in the streets. ANTIFA gaining ground everywhere. Bidenflation destroying families. Communist parties controlling two branches of government. China's claws getting more entrenched every day.

But America is not lost.

Millions of patriots prepare in their homes. Guns. Bibles. Flags. They prepare for our great liberation. Despite our institutions veering against the great American people, we endure. We fought the British. We fought the Mexicans. We fought the Japanese. Now, we prepare for our next great conflict. The second 1776. The great twilight of the American patriots. A light lies at the end of the tunnel, and that light is a flame that will never extinguish.

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! MAKE AMERICA GREAT FOREVER! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!

[Maricarland]

Have to wonder how being apposed to a child tax credit is good for his constituents. Especially when West Virginia has the 7th highest child poverty rate.

Keeping them impoverished means more money for him.

To be fair Joe Manchin has deep disdain for the poor, he believes they deserve to be poor because of some moral failing and that any effort to help the poor is a waste of taxpayer (which in his mind refers only to him, his buddies, and other wealthy or semi-wealthy people, despite the fact that a lot of wealthy people do not even pay that much, or sometimes anything, in taxes) money to offer any help to the poor (which he is sure they will waste of vices). It also serves Joe Manchin's interests to keep a segment of the population impoverished, because an impoverished population cannot refuse to work for him in his coal mines even if he is only paying them scraps, because without those scraps they die. In his world view, poverty is inevitable, the rightful station of the lower classes, a fate that those who meet it deserve, and a tool to discipline the peasants so that they may not refuse to work for him or his wealthy friends.

Joe Biden is not as cutthroat as Joe Manchin is in this regard, but his worldview is remarkably similar to Joe Manchin's. For example, Joe Biden has always been reluctant to cancel or forgive debt, not because he things it is a moral obligation to repay ones debts, or because he is concerned about the profits and assets of lenders (remember everyone's debt is someone else's assets and the better the economy is doing for banks and lenders and landlords, the worst it is doing for the indebted) - though Biden does care about that too. The reason Biden has always been reluctant to cancel or forgive debt is because, and he clearly states this in debates and speeches and comments about legislation, such as a piece where he advocated for making student loan debt non-dischargeable in the event of bankruptcy, Biden believes that debt is a useful tool to discipline workers to accept whatever job (no matter how poor it may be) they are offered, to work for the government or military, and to prevent actions like striking (as that could endanger ones job and then they cannot pay back their debt).

On these issues, Biden, Manchin, and all the "centrist" Democrats (who are really conservative Democrats) and a majority of moderate Democrats differ only slightly from the Republican position.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Oh boy, this is probably not going to end well: Trump will hold a news conference on the anniversary of the deadly attack on the US Capitol.

Gonna be some riots for sure.

Why do you say that?

[Deblar]

Oh boy, this is probably not going to end well: Trump will hold a news conference on the anniversary of the deadly attack on the US Capitol.

“Ah shit. Here we go again.”