American Politics IX: Winter is Coming

[Untecna]

Abolishing borders, police and just about anything else on this list is utterly stupid. Who is going to look after national security or maintain law and order?

It sounds like you want the government to be so minimalist as to be utterly worthless.

Dude…….when did you become a republican?

You haven't noticed his anti-union crap?

[San Lumen]

Abolishing borders, police and just about anything else on this list is utterly stupid. Who is going to look after national security or maintain law and order?

It sounds like you want the government to be so minimalist as to be utterly worthless.

Sounds pretty based, self-management is where it's at.

Having no government worked out in great in Somalia.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Since it’s been about 7 months since I have joined this messy chaotic uncertain and at times frightening journey through American politics so I want to ask if this isn’t too off topic, what do you all think of me? I would like to believe I try to bring my thoughts to the table and provide a voice of reason.

[Lady Victory]

The laws of the land now say give up your guns.

Will you comply?

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that illegally entering the United States was now Constitutionally protected.



But to answer your silly comparison, if the Constitution was lawfully amended then yes.

Wow. That's just sad.

Hope you at least deep fry the boot before you bite into it.

[Genivaria]

Sounds pretty based, self-management is where it's at.

Having no government worked out in great in Somalia.

Bruh I used to use that line and it's still stupid, 'Somalia=Anarchism' is a dumb meme and you should be embarrassed.

[Nora Xent]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that illegally entering the United States was now Constitutionally protected.



But to answer your silly comparison, if the Constitution was lawfully amended then yes.

Wow. That's just sad.

Hope you at least deep fry the boot before you bite into it.

I prefer my boot well-done.

[Genivaria]

Since it’s been about 7 months since I have joined this messy chaotic uncertain and at times frightening journey through American politics so I want to ask if this isn’t too off topic, what do you all think of me? I would like to believe I try to bring my thoughts to the table and provide a voice of reason.

You're a liberal who means well but you've yet to see well-meaning movements be co-opted and brutalized, you think the system can still be reformed.
That's not your fault of course, it's exactly what US society fosters.

[Paddy O Fernature]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that illegally entering the United States was now Constitutionally protected.



But to answer your silly comparison, if the Constitution was lawfully amended then yes.

Wow. That's just sad.

Hope you at least deep fry the boot before you bite into it.

Yes yes, I'm a boot licker because I think laws should be followed.



Tell me, could you have possibly come up with a more stupid ass argument or would you need assistance to make that one happen? I'd hate for you to strain yourself on that front and accidentally hurt yourself.

[Genivaria]

Wow. That's just sad.

Hope you at least deep fry the boot before you bite into it.

I prefer my boot well-done.

At the very least boil it in a stew with veggies and chicken.

[Genivaria]

Wow. That's just sad.

Hope you at least deep fry the boot before you bite into it.

Yes yes, I'm a boot licker because I think laws should be followed.



Tell me, could you have possibly come up with a more fucking stupid ass argument or would you need assistance to make that one happen?

Still waiting to hear if you'd abide the Dred Scott v. Sandford decision.

[Umeria]

Saying that Saddam Hussein didn't have WMDs is claiming that all of the institutions which said he did have WMDs are lying. That's "purposeful in its intent to cause division and mistrust in institutions". So should telling the truth be a bannable offense?

That….depends on the evidence. It also depends on what they do after said claim is proven wrong and or a lie. Don’t forget Bush at the time; either you with us…..

Are you saying that in some circumstances you'd be in favor of banning someone even if nothing they said was untrue?

Why does the number of people you can reach matter? If I tell someone over the phone that there's a microchip in the vaccine, isn't that still exposing that person to misinformation? Why should AT&T continue to platform me? It's a private company!

You are the one declaring a guy with a megaphone can have the same impact as a guy on twitter.

As to the phone? Do you really want the phone companies to start monitoring phone calls? Even then nobody cares you are calling somebody and saying that. Twitter is public. There are private tweets of course. I doubt you would have seen trump deleted if left his shit spewing to private.

You tweeting there are micochips? How many people will you reach? Trump? Shit if he tweeted that can you image all people going nuts? A POTUS has more impact then you and I will ever have.

Words have consequences.

I never said they have the same impact. I don't care at all about the impact. Some things are wrong on principle. Murdering an old man on his deathbed has close to zero impact, but everyone agrees that it's wrong.

Would you feel the same way if Rupert Murdoch was the CEO of Facebook and he decided to ban any advocacy for Joe Biden due to it being "lies and hate"?

Trump advocacy wasn’t getting banned IIRC. If people were getting banned for simply saying they support trump, get out the vote, etc., etc.

That would be wrong.

The upcoming “investigation” is simply grand standing or worse creating “solutions” in search of problems.

Nothing is stopping the Twitter CEO from banning all Trump advocacy, just as nothing would stop a hypothetical far-right Facebook CEO from banning all Biden advocacy. They have all the power. Don't you think we should keep them in check somewhat?

"Telephones are a free service. You don't have the right to use them."

My monthly fees say otherwise and I am sure somewhere there are use and abuse rules over the phones.

There are; you can't do direct threats of violence and whatnot. Regulated as a public utility doesn't mean there are no rules. But everyone agrees that "misinformation" can exist freely on phone lines. Why not apply the same standard to social media platforms that are big enough to be a public square?

[Lady Victory]

Abolishing borders, police and just about anything else on this list is utterly stupid. Who is going to look after national security or maintain law and order?

It sounds like you want the government to be so minimalist as to be utterly worthless.

Sounds pretty based, self-management is where it's at.

Yeah, no. I'm no Tankie but a small, weak government just creates a power vacuum that will inevitably be filled by far worse actors. Corporations, gangs, etc.

Wow. That's just sad.

Hope you at least deep fry the boot before you bite into it.

Yes yes, I'm a boot licker because I think laws should be followed.



Tell me, could you have possibly come up with a more fucking stupid ass argument or would you need assistance to make that one happen?

You don't think laws should be followed, you think the law should be worshiped.

I gladly and willingly follow all the laws I can, but I will not under any pretenses follow an unjust law. I don't care what the Constitution says, I don't care what the Code says, I don't care what authoritarians like you say or even think. If the law tells me to rat out my Jewish neighbors to the Gestapo I would rather be on the train with them than be the coward who put them on it in the first place.

[American Legionaries]

Sounds pretty based, self-management is where it's at.

Yeah, no. I'm no Tankie but a small, weak government just creates a power vacuum that will inevitably be filled by far worse actors. Corporations, gangs, etc.

Yes yes, I'm a boot licker because I think laws should be followed.



Tell me, could you have possibly come up with a more fucking stupid ass argument or would you need assistance to make that one happen?

You don't think laws should be followed, you think the law should be worshiped.

I gladly and willingly follow all the laws I can, but I will not under any pretenses follow an unjust law. I don't care what the Constitution says, I don't care what the Code says, I don't care what authoritarians like you say or even think. If the law tells me to rat out my Jewish neighbors to the Gestapo I would rather be on the train with them than be the coward who put them on it in the first place.

Why would the gangs or corporations be far worse?

[Paddy O Fernature]

You don't think laws should be followed, you think the law should be worshiped.

Considering I've literally not made that argument, this is news to me. But hey, don't let that stop you from going off on a tan....

I gladly and willingly follow all the laws I can, but I will not under any pretenses follow an unjust law. I don't care what the Constitution says, I don't care what the Code says, I don't care what authoritarians like you say or even think. If the law tells me to rat out my Jewish neighbors to the Gestapo I would rather be on the train with them than be the coward who put them on it in the first place.

gent.

Damn.

[Maricarland]

Since it’s been about 7 months since I have joined this messy chaotic uncertain and at times frightening journey through American politics so I want to ask if this isn’t too off topic, what do you all think of me? I would like to believe I try to bring my thoughts to the table and provide a voice of reason.

As a person, from what I can tell, I think you are fine.

Politically, I find your politics to be a mix between social democracy and neoliberalism, while also being willing to consider other points of view and political ideas.

I think it is admirable you try to bring your thoughts to the table (though the internet culture nowadays, especially on NationStates seems to make this a futile endeavor more often than not, but it can still be helpful discourse from time to time).

I think the idea of voice of reason in online political discussion is kind of a myth, as many people have various reasonings that can contradict each other and it is nigh impossible for reason to win in a single discussion (it takes many discussions), and that is already assuming everyone is discussing in good faith and with intellectual rigor.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Since it’s been about 7 months since I have joined this messy chaotic uncertain and at times frightening journey through American politics so I want to ask if this isn’t too off topic, what do you all think of me? I would like to believe I try to bring my thoughts to the table and provide a voice of reason.

You're a liberal who means well but you've yet to see well-meaning movements be co-opted and brutalized, you think the system can still be reformed.
That's not your fault of course, it's exactly what US society fosters.

I guess that’s true. I’m not an expert politician and there’s a lot I don’t know. The best thought out plans of the imagination doesn’t shape up to cruelty of the waking world. *sigh* If reform turns into revolution. I needn’t worry. I know my place. My pen my ink and my paper shall be the tools I use. You and the others can take up arms, but my place will be in the shadows and these tools will comfort me and guide me. Eventually I want to sow the seeds of roses to bloom in this post revolutionary world.

[Genivaria]

You're a liberal who means well but you've yet to see well-meaning movements be co-opted and brutalized, you think the system can still be reformed.
That's not your fault of course, it's exactly what US society fosters.

I guess that’s true. I’m not an expert politician and there’s a lot I don’t know. The best thought out plans of the imagination doesn’t shape up to cruelty of the waking world. *sigh* If reform turns into revolution. I needn’t worry. I know my place. My pen my ink and my paper shall be the tools I use. You and the others can take up arms, but my place will be in the shadows and these tools will comfort me and guide me. Eventually I want to sow the seeds of roses to bloom in this post revolutionary world.

This may surprise but not only is there a place for those who nurture and provide for their community in the revolution; those people are in fact a necessity to keep the movement alive.
Community kitchens, tenant strikes, unions, communes, co-opts, there are many forms of power and it follows there are many ways of resisting power.

[Lady Victory]

Yeah, no. I'm no Tankie but a small, weak government just creates a power vacuum that will inevitably be filled by far worse actors. Corporations, gangs, etc.



You don't think laws should be followed, you think the law should be worshiped.

I gladly and willingly follow all the laws I can, but I will not under any pretenses follow an unjust law. I don't care what the Constitution says, I don't care what the Code says, I don't care what authoritarians like you say or even think. If the law tells me to rat out my Jewish neighbors to the Gestapo I would rather be on the train with them than be the coward who put them on it in the first place.

Why would the gangs or corporations be far worse?

Because government has incentive to play nice. Gangs and corporations don't.

[Maricarland]

Sounds pretty based, self-management is where it's at.

Yeah, no. I'm no Tankie but a small, weak government just creates a power vacuum that will inevitably be filled by far worse actors. Corporations, gangs, etc.

Yes yes, I'm a boot licker because I think laws should be followed.



Tell me, could you have possibly come up with a more fucking stupid ass argument or would you need assistance to make that one happen?

You don't think laws should be followed, you think the law should be worshiped.

I gladly and willingly follow all the laws I can, but I will not under any pretenses follow an unjust law. I don't care what the Constitution says, I don't care what the Code says, I don't care what authoritarians like you say or even think. If the law tells me to rat out my Jewish neighbors to the Gestapo I would rather be on the train with them than be the coward who put them on it in the first place.

Yeah, I would just run away with my friends and family and invite my Jewish neighbors to come with me.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Therm, it t doesn't make you right, but it doesn't make you wrong. It doesn't make me and us right, but it doesn't make me and us wrong. In Politics no one is right and no one is wrong.

Opinions are not facts.

If someone believes the Earth is flat does that make it true?

If you were Secretary of State in Georgia would have done what Trump asked?

lol : in politics no one is right and no one is wrong, in politics everything works both ways, not just one way, your way or mine. I mean we strongly disagree with each other on economic, political and social issues, but I respect his democratic rights and your democratic rights to your views, without saying I am right and you are wrong. Without saying its your opinion and my facts. Actually Therm and many on NS say SL and GMS strongly agree with each other on many issues, and they are correct. I have seen a few of your posts on the issues I strongly agree with you on, I have posted to you that I agree with you on a few of them. But I have not posted to you on all the issues we strongly agree on, they are correct. Yes, I would have rechecked the election results, and listened to his detailed claims of election fraud. This is what President Trump asked the SoS of Georgia. But he did argue very strongly with him. But he never cussed at him, and I don't cuss. He never threatened him, I am going to burn your house down. I am going to kill you, your wife, son and daughter. If my boss threatened to fire me If I don't paint this wall and change this light bulb, and it is not my job to do so, he is pressuring me and threatening me, to paint that wall and change that light bulb. He even said thank you and thank you all at the end of the phone call. But the leftist Democratic Party and leftist Media, twisted everything against president Trump to fit their anti Trump narratives, they want you guys to believe it. You guys have nothing on Trump, but they and the Democrats Jan 6 Committee will try. I did not copy paste any part of this post, but I do know it by heart, practically word for word,

[Necroghastia]

You don't think laws should be followed, you think the law should be worshiped.

Considering I've literally not made that argument, this is news to me. But hey, don't let that stop you from going off on a tan....

I gladly and willingly follow all the laws I can, but I will not under any pretenses follow an unjust law. I don't care what the Constitution says, I don't care what the Code says, I don't care what authoritarians like you say or even think. If the law tells me to rat out my Jewish neighbors to the Gestapo I would rather be on the train with them than be the coward who put them on it in the first place.

gent.

Damn.

lmao don't accuse others of going off on a tangent just because you don't have a good response
if you think the law should be followed just because it's the law that's just blind worship and you know it

[Genivaria]

Why would the gangs or corporations be far worse?

Because government has incentive to play nice. Gangs and corporations don't.

Well.....some governments do. I'm convinced that the more you layers between the people and the decision makers the more corrupt and inefficient it inherently is.

[Maricarland]

You're a liberal who means well but you've yet to see well-meaning movements be co-opted and brutalized, you think the system can still be reformed.
That's not your fault of course, it's exactly what US society fosters.

I guess that’s true. I’m not an expert politician and there’s a lot I don’t know. The best thought out plans of the imagination doesn’t shape up to cruelty of the waking world. *sigh* If reform turns into revolution. I needn’t worry. I know my place. My pen my ink and my paper shall be the tools I use. You and the others can take up arms, but my place will be in the shadows and these tools will comfort me and guide me. Eventually I want to sow the seeds of roses to bloom in this post revolutionary world.

If you are interested in learning more political philosophy and history, I highly recommend the library.

On the History side: I think that the recent release "The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity" by David Graeber andDavid Wengrow, or "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn are great starting points.

YouTubers like Radical Reviewer or Innuendo Studios or Non-Compete can also be a great source to recommend other political philosophy, theory, and history books.

[Genivaria]

I guess that’s true. I’m not an expert politician and there’s a lot I don’t know. The best thought out plans of the imagination doesn’t shape up to cruelty of the waking world. *sigh* If reform turns into revolution. I needn’t worry. I know my place. My pen my ink and my paper shall be the tools I use. You and the others can take up arms, but my place will be in the shadows and these tools will comfort me and guide me. Eventually I want to sow the seeds of roses to bloom in this post revolutionary world.

If you are interested in learning more political philosophy and history, I highly recommend the library.

On the History side: I think that the recent release "The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity" by David Graeber andDavid Wengrow, or "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn are great starting points.

YouTubers like Radical Reviewer or Innuendo Studios or Non-Compete can also be a great source to recommend other political philosophy, theory, and history books.

Also PhilosophyTube is great.

[Maricarland]

If you are interested in learning more political philosophy and history, I highly recommend the library.

On the History side: I think that the recent release "The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity" by David Graeber andDavid Wengrow, or "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn are great starting points.

YouTubers like Radical Reviewer or Innuendo Studios or Non-Compete can also be a great source to recommend other political philosophy, theory, and history books.

Also PhilosophyTube is great.

How did I forget PhilosophyTube? I love Abigal Thorne.