American Politics IX: Winter is Coming

[Thermodolia]

To be frank, I'd even include police and fire.

We need them, which is why they out of everyone should be allowed to strike. Society should not be running off the backs of mistreated people who are being prevented from striking to end their mistreatment.

While I agree with firefighters striking the police shave the unique priveledge of 'striking' while still getting paid and not fired.
Whenever there's any attempt to require more oversight on police due to police brutality the PD responds by telling their officers to drag their feet in their work, not that the crime rate notices of course.

The rate of crime actually drops during those instances

[Genivaria]

While I agree with firefighters striking the police shave the unique priveledge of 'striking' while still getting paid and not fired.
Whenever there's any attempt to require more oversight on police due to police brutality the PD responds by telling their officers to drag their feet in their work, not that the crime rate notices of course.

The rate of crime actually drops during those instances

That doesn't surprise me, police mainly exist to extract fines from the poor and capture prison slaves.

[Vassenor]

Police officers and firefighters should be allowed to strike? what happens when their is an emergency and no one shows up because they are on strike. Oh well it's their right?

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Does the US have a similar Aid to the Civil Authorities provision?

[Apocalyptic Haven]

I’m for maximum leverage for the working class against the ruling class. Yes, let them organize, unionize, and strike! Of course, the mayor calls it illegal. It’s a smear tactic. I don’t care if it is, to be frank. If it’s illegal, the law should be changed and the workers not punished but granted amnesty. It’s a horrible law. Teachers are among the most oppressed and exploited civil servants of all.

[The Jamesian Republic]

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Does the US have a similar Aid to the Civil Authorities provision?

I don’t think so. Maybe the National Guard but that’s it. Though in times past we had The Civil Defense which was supposed to be used if there was a nuclear war.

[Apocalyptic Haven]

The rate of crime actually drops during those instances

That doesn't surprise me, police mainly exist to extract fines from the poor and capture prison slaves.

While I oppose abolition and defunding police, they need dramatic changes, especially demilitarization. They behave like an occupying army in some communities.

[Thermodolia]

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Does the US have a similar Aid to the Civil Authorities provision?

Yes but it’s only limited to the national guard and then it’s limited to what they can do.

The regular military, outside of the marine corps, can’t intervene or help civil authorities unless the insurrection act has been invoked

[Esalia]

While I agree with firefighters striking the police shave the unique priveledge of 'striking' while still getting paid and not fired.
Whenever there's any attempt to require more oversight on police due to police brutality the PD responds by telling their officers to drag their feet in their work, not that the crime rate notices of course.

The rate of crime actually drops during those instances

Which is why they should be allowed to strike.

They strike, crime rates drop, fewer people face police brutality, and people get shown how useless the police are.

[Punished UMN]

So go back to virtual learning then.

which does not work. Do you job by showing up in person or quit.

lol our in-person education doesn't work either

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So go back to virtual learning then.

which does not work. Do you job by showing up in person or quit.

what if people are too concerned about infecting others and every lecture becomes a 45 minute long nose-swabbing exercise?

[San Lumen]

which does not work. Do you job by showing up in person or quit.

what if people are too concerned about infecting others and every lecture becomes a 45 minute long nose-swabbing exercise?

If your that concerned you should not be a teacher.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

what if people are too concerned about infecting others and every lecture becomes a 45 minute long nose-swabbing exercise?

If your that concerned you should not be a teacher.

Yet again you confirm that you do not understand empathy.

[Neutraligon]

what if people are too concerned about infecting others and every lecture becomes a 45 minute long nose-swabbing exercise?

If your that concerned you should not be a teacher.

I see, so coal miners who were dying due to black lung and terrible conditions should not be able to strike due to those terrible conditions. THey in fact should not have become coal miners. Oh and, considering the number who are refusing to go in for work...watch your teacher shortage sore. Now students are not getting an education. It truly is incredible how little you care for workers. We have the acting industry, who you insist should perform and risk getting sick, we have the fishing and mining industry, we have doctors, we have nurses, we have those who work for politicians, we have teachers, we have office workers, any other you want to add to that list?

Edit: reminded later of Air traffic controllers and flight attendants.

[Ifreann]

what if people are too concerned about infecting others and every lecture becomes a 45 minute long nose-swabbing exercise?

If your that concerned you should not be a teacher.

People who aren't concerned about the health and welfare of themselves, their colleagues, and their students, should really not be teachers.

[San Lumen]

If your that concerned you should not be a teacher.

I see, so coal miners who were dying due to black lung and terrible conditions should not be able to strike due to those terrible conditions. THey in fact should not have become coal miners. Oh and, considering the number who are refusing to go in for work...watch your teacher shortage sore. Now students are not getting an education.

By refusing to go into work they are harming students education. The mayor is in the right locking them out of their accounts.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I see, so coal miners who were dying due to black lung and terrible conditions should not be able to strike due to those terrible conditions. THey in fact should not have become coal miners. Oh and, considering the number who are refusing to go in for work...watch your teacher shortage sore. Now students are not getting an education.

By refusing to go into work they are harming students education. The mayor is in the right locking them out of their accounts.

Giving their students long COVID is also harming students but why would the Great and Mighty San Lumen give a single flying fuck about people with long COVID?

[Neutraligon]

I see, so coal miners who were dying due to black lung and terrible conditions should not be able to strike due to those terrible conditions. THey in fact should not have become coal miners. Oh and, considering the number who are refusing to go in for work...watch your teacher shortage sore. Now students are not getting an education.

By refusing to go into work they are harming students education. The mayor is in the right locking them out of their accounts.

And by going to work they risk getting sick thus also harming student education when a large number of teachers are not able to teach. By locking them out of their accounts the mayor makes it impossible for them to teach, also harming the student education. Actually, harming that education even worse since now there are no classes at all, when before there would have been classes.

[Apocalyptic Haven]

what if people are too concerned about infecting others and every lecture becomes a 45 minute long nose-swabbing exercise?

If your that concerned you should not be a teacher.

So, teachers should just offer themselves as human sacrifices in addition to awful pay and already bad working conditions. Sadly a common neoliberal centrist take. The working class is better served by some conservative populists than by moderate neoliberal corporate Democrats these days. Leftists are best though.

[Thermodolia]

I see, so coal miners who were dying due to black lung and terrible conditions should not be able to strike due to those terrible conditions. THey in fact should not have become coal miners. Oh and, considering the number who are refusing to go in for work...watch your teacher shortage sore. Now students are not getting an education.

By refusing to go into work they are harming students education. The mayor is in the right locking them out of their accounts.

So what happens when they quit and tell other people not to ever teach in Chicago again? What happens then Lumen? How are you going to fix the teacher shortage then?

[Neutraligon]

If your that concerned you should not be a teacher.

So, teachers should just offer themselves as human sacrifices in addition to awful pay and already bad working conditions. Sadly a common neoliberal centrist take. The working class is better served by some conservative populists than by moderate neoliberal corporate Democrats these days. Leftists are best though.

Lumen held a similar opinion about doctors and nurses, who are suffering from severe issues of depression, overwork, exhaustion, etc.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Every last worker in America should just frankly go on a general strike and deprive Congress of any and all money.

[Neutraligon]

By refusing to go into work they are harming students education. The mayor is in the right locking them out of their accounts.

So what happens when they quit and tell other people not to ever teach in Chicago again? What happens then Lumen? How are you going to fix the teacher shortage then?

If I recall there are states that have had teacher shortages for years due to no one wanting to teach there due to the poor pay and shit teaching conditions. And no one wants to teach there.

[The Jamesian Republic]

I see, so coal miners who were dying due to black lung and terrible conditions should not be able to strike due to those terrible conditions. THey in fact should not have become coal miners. Oh and, considering the number who are refusing to go in for work...watch your teacher shortage sore. Now students are not getting an education.

By refusing to go into work they are harming students education. The mayor is in the right locking them out of their accounts.

But that also harms their education too. If the teachers can’t teach in person and they can’t teach virtually then what are the students supposed to do. Shoot if I was the mayor I would just listen to their requests and improve conditions so this strike will be over with.

[Apocalyptic Haven]

So, teachers should just offer themselves as human sacrifices in addition to awful pay and already bad working conditions. Sadly a common neoliberal centrist take. The working class is better served by some conservative populists than by moderate neoliberal corporate Democrats these days. Leftists are best though.

Lumen held a similar opinion about doctors and nurses, who are suffering from severe issues of depression, overwork, exhaustion, etc.[/quote

With liberals like that, who needs conservatives?

[Thermodolia]

So, teachers should just offer themselves as human sacrifices in addition to awful pay and already bad working conditions. Sadly a common neoliberal centrist take. The working class is better served by some conservative populists than by moderate neoliberal corporate Democrats these days. Leftists are best though.

Lumen held a similar opinion about doctors and nurses, who are suffering from severe issues of depression, overwork, exhaustion, etc.

Don’t forget about transportation workers or air traffic control workers or pretty much anyone who’s striking would prevent him from living his life without being burdened