American Politics IX: Winter is Coming

[New haven america]

If you've actually kept up with the news you'd know that not true, as we've been over dozens of times so far in these threads. (With one of these examples being just a few posts before yours)

When I last checked the news, which was months ago as I don’t follow the news anymore as it’s just a bunch of ragebait, he had done jackshit.

So I’m glad he’s actually done something for once

He started doing that in January. Like, one of the first things he did was deal with that issue.

Like, 1/2 of what you ranted about is either being worked on or happened already. I'm not saying he's a saint but ffs, did we learn nothing from the "Both sides are the same" schtick in 2016?

[Prima Scriptura]

Because hating on Muslims goes over well with right-wing populists. Not all of them are groypers who hate Jews. Most still support Israel.

And because certain Christian groups are convinced that Israel needs to be protected in order to bring about the rapture and end times.

Well, I certainly believe that Jesus is returning, I don’t know when, nobody knows the exact date and time. However, that is not the only reason why we protect Israel. We protect Israel because they are a valuable ally in a hostile part of the world. Nearly every surrounding country wants them wiped off the map.

[Washington Resistance Army]

And because certain Christian groups are convinced that Israel needs to be protected in order to bring about the rapture and end times.

Well, I certainly believe that Jesus is returning, I don’t know when, nobody knows the exact date and time. However, that is not the only reason why we protect Israel. We protect Israel because they are a valuable ally in a hostile part of the world. Nearly every surrounding country wants them wiped off the map.

In no world are they a valuable ally. They do nothing but turn the rest of the region against us while manipulating our politics and selling our military technology to hostile nations.

[Thermodolia]

Well, I certainly believe that Jesus is returning, I don’t know when, nobody knows the exact date and time. However, that is not the only reason why we protect Israel. We protect Israel because they are a valuable ally in a hostile part of the world. Nearly every surrounding country wants them wiped off the map.

In no world are they a valuable ally. They do nothing but turn the rest of the region against us while manipulating our politics and selling our military technology to hostile nations.

Don’t forget strafing our ships and blowing up our boats.

Besides Israel has nukes. It’s not going anywhere and honestly is probably closer to China than not.

[Prima Scriptura]

Well, I certainly believe that Jesus is returning, I don’t know when, nobody knows the exact date and time. However, that is not the only reason why we protect Israel. We protect Israel because they are a valuable ally in a hostile part of the world. Nearly every surrounding country wants them wiped off the map.

In no world are they a valuable ally. They do nothing but turn the rest of the region against us while manipulating our politics and selling our military technology to hostile nations.

Israel has a right to exist as a nation. They are a valuable ally as an offering intelligence. They also protect religious sites that anyone can go to.

[Bear Stearns]

In no world are they a valuable ally. They do nothing but turn the rest of the region against us while manipulating our politics and selling our military technology to hostile nations.

Israel has a right to exist as a nation. They are a valuable ally as an offering intelligence. They also protect religious sites that anyone can go to.

they bulldoze churches to build shopping malls

[Thermodolia]

In no world are they a valuable ally. They do nothing but turn the rest of the region against us while manipulating our politics and selling our military technology to hostile nations.

Israel has a right to exist as a nation. They are a valuable ally as an offering intelligence. They also protect religious sites that anyone can go to.

Not really. Their intel isn’t that great and they’ve been known to pass our intel to China. Who they’ve also sold a lot of our tech to.

[Vassenor]

In no world are they a valuable ally. They do nothing but turn the rest of the region against us while manipulating our politics and selling our military technology to hostile nations.

Israel has a right to exist as a nation. They are a valuable ally as an offering intelligence. They also protect religious sites that anyone can go to.

Apparently firing tear gas into mosques is “protecting religious sites”.

[-Astoria-]

And because certain Christian groups are convinced that Israel needs to be protected in order to bring about the rapture and end times.

Well, I certainly believe that Jesus is returning, I don’t know when, nobody knows the exact date and time. However, that is not the only reason why we protect Israel. We protect Israel because they are a valuable ally in a hostile part of the world. Nearly every surrounding country wants them wiped off the map.

It's probably the still-unsolved issues with Palestine (which neiighbouring states seem to support more) that's making them rather hostile.

I'm sure it's an understatement, but still...

[Pasong Tirad]

In no world are they a valuable ally. They do nothing but turn the rest of the region against us while manipulating our politics and selling our military technology to hostile nations.

Israel has a right to exist as a nation. They are a valuable ally as an offering intelligence. They also protect religious sites that anyone can go to.

Palestinian Christians are regularly prevented from being able to worship in Christian holy sites, especially in sites currently in Israeli-occupied parts of Jerusalem.

[Diahon]

When I last checked the news, which was months ago as I don’t follow the news anymore as it’s just a bunch of ragebait, he had done jackshit.

So I’m glad he’s actually done something for once

He started doing that in January. Like, one of the first things he did was deal with that issue.

Like, 1/2 of what you ranted about is either being worked on or happened already. I'm not saying he's a saint but ffs, did we learn nothing from the "Both sides are the same" schtick in 2016?

as you've seen, nothing

[Big Bad Blue]

We know the identity of one of the coup-texters: Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH)

Rep. Jim Jordan’s (R-Ohio) office confirmed that he is the sender of a text message to former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, partially revealed this week by the Jan. 6 committee.

Here's the full text: “On January 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, should call out all the electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all — in accordance with guidance from founding father Alexander Hamilton and judicial precedence. ‘No legislative act,’ wrote Alexander Hamilton in Federalist No. 78, ‘contrary to the Constitution, can be valid.’ The court in Hubbard v. Lowe reinforced this truth: ‘That an unconstitutional statute is not a law at all is a proposition no longer open to discussion.’ 226 F. 135, 137 (SDNY 1915), appeal dismissed, 242 U.S. 654 (1916).”

The committee released the portion of the text (the part preceding the dash) as it argued to hold Meadows in contempt of Congress, attributing it only to a “lawmaker.” Jordan’s office has confirmed he was the sender but emphasized that the message was merely the Ohioan forwarding analysis by another attorney — former Pentagon Inspector General Joseph Schmitz.

“Mr. Jordan forwarded the text to Mr. Meadows, and Mr. Meadows certainly knew it was a forward."
— Russell Dye, a spokesperson for Jordan
Jordan’s office has taken issue with the committee’s presentation of the text, which omitted the complicated legal citations in the second half. Schmitt’s words are an argument that Pence had the unilateral authority to simply refuse to count electoral votes he deemed unconstitutional, akin to arguments made by Trump allies John Eastman and Jenna Ellis.

Jordan’s text does not make clear that it was a forward, and the committee has indicated that it would have questioned Meadows about the context of the text message had he appeared for a deposition.

Just like this: Meadows and the Band of Loyalists: How They Fought to Keep Trump in Power. It was more than Jordan: it was also (unsurprisingly) Gosar, Mo Brooks, Scott Perry, Gohmert, and Biggs. All are members of the Freedom Caucus. Btw, the link can be read by anyone.

And McCarthy tried to get two of them on the January 6 committee. And Gohmert has been censured and stripped of his committee assignments. All six need the same treatment, and the committee needs to find out what McCarthy knew about their activities and when he knew it.

[Prima Scriptura]

Just like this: Meadows and the Band of Loyalists: How They Fought to Keep Trump in Power. It was more than Jordan: it was also (unsurprisingly) Gosar, Mo Brooks, Scott Perry, Gohmert, and Biggs. All are members of the Freedom Caucus. Btw, the link can be read by anyone.

And McCarthy tried to get two of them on the January 6 committee. And Gohmert has been censured and stripped of his committee assignments. All six need the same treatment, and the committee needs to find out what McCarthy knew about their activities and when he knew it.

I think you’re being too kind. Any congress member that participated in this attempted coup deserves capital punishment.

[-Astoria-]

And McCarthy tried to get two of them on the January 6 committee. And Gohmert has been censured and stripped of his committee assignments. All six need the same treatment, and the committee needs to find out what McCarthy knew about their activities and when he knew it.

I think you’re being too kind. Any congress member that participated in this attempted coup deserves capital punishment.

[Duvniask]

In no world are they a valuable ally. They do nothing but turn the rest of the region against us while manipulating our politics and selling our military technology to hostile nations.

Israel has a right to exist as a nation. They are a valuable ally as an offering intelligence. They also protect religious sites that anyone can go to.

I guess you don't really know that much about Israel, do you?

[Deblar]

And McCarthy tried to get two of them on the January 6 committee. And Gohmert has been censured and stripped of his committee assignments. All six need the same treatment, and the committee needs to find out what McCarthy knew about their activities and when he knew it.

I think you’re being too kind. Any congress member that participated in this attempted coup deserves capital punishment.

[Lady Victory]

And McCarthy tried to get two of them on the January 6 committee. And Gohmert has been censured and stripped of his committee assignments. All six need the same treatment, and the committee needs to find out what McCarthy knew about their activities and when he knew it.

I think you’re being too kind. Any congress member that participated in this attempted coup deserves capital punishment.

This is the only reasonable and informed stance one can have on the Jan 6 coup attempt.

[Galloism]

And McCarthy tried to get two of them on the January 6 committee. And Gohmert has been censured and stripped of his committee assignments. All six need the same treatment, and the committee needs to find out what McCarthy knew about their activities and when he knew it.

I think you’re being too kind. Any congress member that participated in this attempted coup deserves capital punishment.

Would that be capitol capital punishment?

[The Jamesian Republic]

Couldn’t we declare a new republic similar to the French?

[San Lumen]

And McCarthy tried to get two of them on the January 6 committee. And Gohmert has been censured and stripped of his committee assignments. All six need the same treatment, and the committee needs to find out what McCarthy knew about their activities and when he knew it.

I think you’re being too kind. Any congress member that participated in this attempted coup deserves capital punishment.

No capital punishment is wrong and immoral. They should be charged with sedition and put behind bars.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

And McCarthy tried to get two of them on the January 6 committee. And Gohmert has been censured and stripped of his committee assignments. All six need the same treatment, and the committee needs to find out what McCarthy knew about their activities and when he knew it.

I think you’re being too kind. Any congress member that participated in this attempted coup deserves capital punishment.

There was a violent protest, they have been tried or are being tried in a US Court of Law. There was a peaceful protest by the majority of Persons at the Trump Rally, like by my Republican, Cuban and American friends at the Trump Rally, American Vietnam Combat Veterans of the Army, Navy, Air Force and US Marines. One of them is a Cuban American Republican Politician within the Republican Party. I wish I could have gone with them and I was there in spirits with them. It is ridiculous to attempt a coup d'état, against the Capitol Police, the US government and the Armed Forces of the USA, with 500 or so violent right wingers. There are no emails and texts stating, Lets overthrow the US government.

[The Jamesian Republic]

I think you’re being too kind. Any congress member that participated in this attempted coup deserves capital punishment.

There was a violent protest, they have been tried or are being tried in a US Court of Law. There was a peaceful protest by the majority of Persons at the Trump Rally, like by my Republican, Cuban and American friends at the Trump Rally, American Vietnam Combat Veterans of the Army, Navy, Air Force and US Marines. One of them is a Cuban American Republican Politician within the Republican Party. I wish I could have gone with them and I was there in spirits with them. It is ridiculous to attempt a coup d'état, against the Capitol Police, the US government and the Armed Forces of the USA, with 500 or so violent right wingers. There are no emails and texts stating, Lets overthrow the US government.

Then who was there? What really happened?

[Lady Victory]

Couldn’t we declare a new republic similar to the French?

Woah! Based alert!

[San Lumen]

I think you’re being too kind. Any congress member that participated in this attempted coup deserves capital punishment.

There was a violent protest, they have been tried or are being tried in a US Court of Law. There was a peaceful protest by the majority of Persons at the Trump Rally, like by my Republican, Cuban and American friends at the Trump Rally, American Vietnam Combat Veterans of the Army, Navy, Air Force and US Marines. One of them is a Cuban American Republican Politician within the Republican Party. I wish I could have gone with them and I was there in spirits with them. It is ridiculous to attempt a coup d'état, against the Capitol Police, the US government and the Armed Forces of the USA, with 500 or so violent right wingers. There are no emails and texts stating, Lets overthrow the US government.

Yes there are. Why do you constantly deny reality and facts?

[The Reformed American Republic]

There was a violent protest, they have been tried or are being tried in a US Court of Law. There was a peaceful protest by the majority of Persons at the Trump Rally, like by my Republican, Cuban and American friends at the Trump Rally, American Vietnam Combat Veterans of the Army, Navy, Air Force and US Marines. One of them is a Cuban American Republican Politician within the Republican Party. I wish I could have gone with them and I was there in spirits with them. It is ridiculous to attempt a coup d'état, against the Capitol Police, the US government and the Armed Forces of the USA, with 500 or so violent right wingers. There are no emails and texts stating, Lets overthrow the US government.

Yes there are. Why do you constantly deny reality and facts?

That's both of your jobs.