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Slavery uncovered in Georgia

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:39 pm
by Saiwania
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... orgia.html

In the US, some employers/corporations have recently been caught abusing temporary guest workers within the H-2A Visa program. Americans can't be found to do the work or don't want to- so people from Mexico or central America are relied upon for agriculture more often than not. Some are rumored to have been forced to dig for onions with their bare hands under threat of gun violence and confined to work camps with electric fences. With more limited access to food and potable water. Earning just 20 cents for each bucket harvested. 2 people died on the job during the 3 years this was investigated.

Many victims in question were charged unlawful fees for transportation, food, and housing. On top of not getting paid what they were promised, it'd appear they were billed for the privilege of staying. Beyond agriculture, they were used for lawn care, construction, and repair tasks. The employers confiscated their passports/documentation as leverage to deter them from wanting to escape. Around $200 million was made from this slavery operation.

Thoughts on these developments? Was it predictable or even inevitable that some corporation or other individuals would be there willing to exploit desperate people to entrap them even further into bad circumstances? Is there a problem with the H-2A framework itself, such that it needs to be abolished/changed for something better?

Under the current status quo, people participating in the H-2A program have to remain employed by the employer that sponsored them to keep legal status with regards to their immigration. A major flaw is that H-2A employees can't just quit or leave for another employer if they'll get deported. So employers that sponsor migrant workers appear to have more free reign to do whatever they want or will with them.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:37 pm
by Sundiata
That is not right.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:39 pm
by Imperial Old Mexico
Sundiata wrote:That is not right.


Glad that you've discovered bodily autonomy. Now, perhaps you might want to rethink some public policy views of yours.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:40 pm
by -Astoria-
Not surprising.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:41 pm
by Sundiata
Imperial Old Mexico wrote:
Sundiata wrote:That is not right.


Glad that you've discovered bodily autonomy. Now, perhaps you might want to rethink some public policy views of yours.

I hope you have always opposed slavery.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:41 pm
by Imperial Old Mexico
-Astoria- wrote:Not surprising.


What is surprising is the OP's evident horror at it. I gathered that they weren't big proponents of human rights.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:42 pm
by Imperial Old Mexico
Sundiata wrote:
Imperial Old Mexico wrote:
Glad that you've discovered bodily autonomy. Now, perhaps you might want to rethink some public policy views of yours.

I hope you have always opposed slavery.


Yes, including the enslavement of pregnant women to broodmare status.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:42 pm
by Infected Mushroom
It’s not surprising. Georgia was a confederate state.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:43 pm
by Imperial Old Mexico
Infected Mushroom wrote:It’s not surprising. Georgia was a confederate state.


One where the current Governor moved Heaven and Earth to defeat a black woman for the Statehouse. Not that she was particularly progressive, as witnessed by her endorsement of Michael Bloomberg, but still.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:45 pm
by Sundiata
Imperial Old Mexico wrote:
Sundiata wrote:I hope you have always opposed slavery.


Yes, including the enslavement of pregnant women to broodmare status.

I'm Pro-Life. This isn't the thread for that argument. We can move to the abortion thread or talk over telegrams but don't use someone else's thread on a separate topic to take cheap rhetorical shots at me.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:46 pm
by Republic Of Ludwigsburg
Take a look at how good capitalism is! Look at it.
FREE SLAVERY FOR ALL

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:47 pm
by Saiwania
Imperial Old Mexico wrote:What is surprising is the OP's evident horror at it. I gathered that they weren't big proponents of human rights.


I'm not to some extent, but an interesting framework I've considered ideologically is that I could perhaps be open to there being plenty of civil rights without sacrificing an authoritarian political order/system. I'm an Imperial at heart. I say no to democracy but approve of some checks and balances such that what exists is more like a meritocracy/civil service. The state must be all powerful/secure but people also need their personal freedoms/rights where this is practical.

This situation in general reminds me of the Evocii story on Nal Hutta that I'm playing through.

I'd be in favor of H-2A being rewritten so that sponsored workers can have up to 6 months to find another employer to work for if or after they're fired but are otherwise free to stay within that time before getting deported, with their stay extended if they're employed again before the deadline. I think perhaps this is just enough leverage to not enable the typical employer to railroad them into having to work for them in particular for a pittance. Work of any sort should be getting fair wages.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:55 pm
by Archinstinct
Fuck slavers.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:12 pm
by Just-An-Illusion
Well time to wake up Sherman again!

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:14 pm
by Vikanias
Get fucking Lincoln

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:21 pm
by Grenartia
Just-An-Illusion wrote:Well time to wake up Sherman again!


Bring the good old bugle, boys, we'll sing another song
Sing it with a spirit that will start the world along
Sing it as we used to sing it, fifty thousand strong
While we were marching through Georgia.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:21 pm
by Unified Communist Councils
Slavery, don't you mean providing economic opportunities for immigrants??? They are jut being paid the amount their labour is worth, just enough to cover the bare basics, because that's all a person needs in life!

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:32 pm
by The Lone Alliance
Just-An-Illusion wrote:Well time to wake up Sherman again!

You'll have to storm California because they do it there too.

Pretty much all Illegal Immigrant farming pulls stuff like this, inhumane conditions for a pittance of wages that are barely enough to survive, workers dying of heatstroke while their bosses look the other way.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:36 pm
by Just-An-Illusion
The Lone Alliance wrote:
Just-An-Illusion wrote:Well time to wake up Sherman again!

You'll have to storm California because they do it there too.

Pretty much all Illegal Immigrant farming pulls stuff like this, inhumane conditions for a pittance of wages that are barely enough to survive, workers dying of heatstroke while their bosses look the other way.


Sure we can go there too :p

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:39 pm
by Glasvinia
Unified Communist Councils wrote:Slavery, don't you mean providing economic opportunities for immigrants??? They are jut being paid the amount their labour is worth, just enough to cover the bare basics, because that's all a person needs in life!


Spoken like a true Commie.

The people were forced into these situations under false pretenses and have no way to reach out for help. It's sad and upsetting to know that this kind of activity is alive in the U.S. in this day and age. Sickening.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:40 pm
by The Lone Alliance
Just-An-Illusion wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:You'll have to storm California because they do it there too.

Pretty much all Illegal Immigrant farming pulls stuff like this, inhumane conditions for a pittance of wages that are barely enough to survive, workers dying of heatstroke while their bosses look the other way.


Sure we can go there too :p


What's funny is Georgia supposedly passed a very strong anti-migrant labor law years that got a lot of criticism and actually caused a job shortage in farms for awhile, but looks like in this case they simply decided to double down, I mean if you're already enslaving your workers, why would you care about an immigration law?

But like everyone knows, criminals don't follow the rules.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:42 pm
by Cereskia 2
I'd rather visit Georgia Sakartvelo, rather than Georgia State.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:42 pm
by Unified Communist Councils
These workers really need to join their local labour unions, but I don't doubt for a second if there is some coercion being sanctioned here by the corporate parties involved.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:48 pm
by Grenartia
Unified Communist Councils wrote:These workers really need to join their local labour unions, but I don't doubt for a second if there is some coercion being sanctioned here by the corporate parties involved.


Workers of any kind, having unions? In the south? Yeah pull the other one.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:50 pm
by Kingdom of Voidstania
Ah the US Government! I love my country so much! (This is sarcasm, if you can't tell)