What Form Will The Next Revolution Take?

[Neutraligon]

You have no choice. You will eat the bugs. You will live in the pod. You will own nothing. Do no resist. You have no say.

Either the government provides for them in that case or they will violently overthrow the government and set up a new one which would.

Hence my saying that the technical revolution will lead to some form of political/economic one.

[Resilient Acceleration]

if real jobs become obsolete won't they just invent more fake jobs. like this is not exactly new

Not everyone can adapt to these new "fake jobs", especially in developing countries. It is also likely that these new jobs will also be automated away every decade or so, meaning that people will constantly have to change jobs. Expect the Rust Belt-ization, or perhaps more accurately the South Africa-ization of large swathes of the world.

[Middle Barael]

A big crisis putting many out of a job gives many a greater trust in government intervention/welfare, but also allows people to reconsider the importance of work in daily life. As the crisis diminishes, people take to the streets to simply enjoy their lives, basking together in good experiences and reminiscing about simpler times. As the economy begins to return to normal following the crisis, an anti-work movement begins, gradually evolving into widespread dissatisfaction against late-stage capitalism (though not necessarily against capitalism as a whole) and its obsession with economic wellbeing and working. These people simply want less of an emphasis to be placed on work and production, and more placed on happiness and human wellbeing. When the CEOs and business-owners and politicians say no, then you'll likely see an impromptu, unintended general strike that will be framed as the media as a labor shortage. Companies will eventually be forced to award higher wages and benefits and more time off, and while many return to these now more humanized workplaces, many decide to strike it on their own, doing what they actually are passionate about no matter how much money they make. As the government threatens to end their emergency-era welfare programs, the people grow angry, and these welfare programs (including maybe something similar to a UBI scheme) persist, allowing people to do what they want without as much concern for money. People focus on their communities, on spending time with family, etc. Socially, people feel less lonely and disjointed, many people find the "meaning" that they were searching for, nihilism and cynical irony become less common, and modern humor loses its surrealist, cynical edge as the world becomes less meaningless and Kafkaesque.

I'm not actually sure if I believe that this is what will happen, but based off of what is currently going on I think that there is a hopeful chance.

[Nilokeras]

Dataism. An age where AGI becomes smarter than public discourse and can control public discourse to the personal level, at least on a sufficiently large scale. Also, automation may automate away the proletariat, but it will also automate away large chunks of the police, military, and intelligence-security. Perhaps this might won't happen before 2050, but then again 2050 is currently as far away from us as the 90s is.

this is the atheist equivalent of 'and then the Rapture will happen'

[Resilient Acceleration]

You have no choice. You will eat the bugs. You will live in the pod. You will own nothing. Do no resist. You have no say.

Either the government provides for them in that case or they will violently overthrow the government and set up a new one which would.

Or the government would just establish a techno-dystopia with AI-monitored public discourse, hyper-personalized propaganda, and automated political security systems. People like to hate on Zuckerberg, but a Facebook supervised and thus controlled by Pelosi (or more terrifyingly, McConnell) isn't much better either.

[Limonovshchina]

Either the government provides for them in that case or they will violently overthrow the government and set up a new one which would.

Or the government would just establish a techno-dystopia with AI-monitored public discourse, hyper-personalized propaganda, and automated political security systems. People like to hate on Zuckerberg, but a Facebook supervised and thus controlled by Pelosi (or more terrifyingly, McConnell) isn't much better either.

We are already there living in a soft power unofficial version of this.

[Rusozak]

The information revolution. Everyone having (almost) the sum of the world's knowledge at their fingertips and, what's more, everyone having the means to spread their message to millions with the press of a button. It consequently also brings out a social revolution as for the first time, traditional forms of media, which are controlled by companies or governments, no longer have a monopoly on the distribution of knowledge. It can be a doubled edged sword, but it's what's happening.

[The Andorian System]

Whatever form it takes, the Revolution will not be televised.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Societal collapse.

[Magyar Soviet State]

Societal collapse.

Nailed it!

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Societal collapse.

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[Chan Island]

The revolution won't happen until a significant part of the state's political leaders or armed forces let it happen. This usually occurs when the pre-existing power structure loses its image of legitimacy through some means, be it the slow grind of general incompetence/neglect/unresponsiveness, insufficient response to sudden disaster or by a drastic overreach.

What specifically will cause it? Impossible to say. If you could predict it, the people in power would also be able to predict it and move to counteract that threat. Ditto for the exact way in which it'll play out. Revolutions are messy, and strange things happen in them.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Societal collapse.

Why do you think that?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Societal collapse.

Why do you think that?

Because a vast amount of evidence supports the idea that societal and possibly civilization collapse is not only likely but potentially set in stone already by the middle of this century at this point. Unless we get some straight up magical tech that undoes hundreds of years of ecological damage and gives us a way to cheaply convert salt water into drinking water en masse with no real power requirements the future looks incredibly bleak.

[Radiatia]

I don't think that there will be another revolution in the western world, and if there is it'll something extremely regressive caused by ignorance - so it'll be a return to a failed idea like theocracy or communism.

However I do hope that future revolutions occur in the form of people rising up against autocratic regimes which continue to outnumber democratic ones. (I.e. the second and third world.)

My hope is that technology will empower and educate people to eventually overcome the many tyrants still in place.Though I say "hope" in the same vein that I hope I win the lottery this week as I consider both about as likely...

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Why do you think that?

Because a vast amount of evidence supports the idea that societal and possibly civilization collapse is not only likely but potentially set in stone already by the middle of this century at this point. Unless we get some straight up magical tech that undoes hundreds of years of ecological damage and gives us a way to cheaply convert salt water into drinking water en masse with no real power requirements the future looks incredibly bleak.

Don't buy it, sorry. The Western world is too big to fail, and the EU will have a permanent UN mandate and a viceroy-in-all-but-name in the Congo before it allows itself to run out of lithium. It won't be a very nice century, but for the vast majority of users on this forum (living in developed Western countries) it's not their lives that are going to suffer.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because a vast amount of evidence supports the idea that societal and possibly civilization collapse is not only likely but potentially set in stone already by the middle of this century at this point. Unless we get some straight up magical tech that undoes hundreds of years of ecological damage and gives us a way to cheaply convert salt water into drinking water en masse with no real power requirements the future looks incredibly bleak.

Don't buy it, sorry. The Western world is too big to fail, and the EU will have a permanent UN mandate and a viceroy-in-all-but-name in the Congo before it allows itself to run out of lithium. It won't be a very nice century, but for the vast majority of users on this forum (living in developed Western countries) it's not their lives that are going to suffer.

Oh make no mistake, some of us already are starting to suffer. Hundreds of people in the Pacific Northwest died this summer from the heat. British Columbia has been utterly destroyed by natural disasters. Wildfire season is starting earlier, lasting longer and destroying more with each passing year. The largest sources of water for half the continent are rapidly drying up. Crop yields are projected to start falling in the coming years due to soil degradation and increased temperatures, and all this is just the tip of the iceberg.

I don't expect most people to ever accept the facts on this topic because it's too horrifying for most people to process, but even if you don't buy it you're still going to be impacted by it.

[Technoscience Leftwing]

* Democrats wanted ordinary citizens to determine policy. The socialists wanted every citizen to be protected from hunger, homelessness, illiteracy, and alienated labor. The new left wanted a variety of cultural genres and lifestyles.
* These goals were only partially achieved. The policy of the countries is determined by a small elite of billionaires and dignitaries who act by bribery or force, and use democracy as a screen. In many countries, even in developed countries, there are homeless, hungry and illiterate people. Many workers are forced into jobs they hate under the threat of poverty and hunger. In a number of countries, the diversity of cultures and lifestyles is threatened by religious fundamentalism, conservatism, or the barracks distortion of socialism towards excessive ascetic regulation.
* Consequently, self-government, social protection and emancipation are not fully realized. As a result of past revolutions, only a temporary compromise was reached, which the elites are trying to challenge, trying to take away the gains achieved from the masses.
* If the elites, out of greed, destroy this compromise, take away the social and democratic gains from the masses, and unleash a war among themselves, then the masses will cease to be well-fed and passive, they will become capable of new revolutions, and a new rise of the left movement will begin. Perhaps future revolutions will force elites to make more impressive concessions, or be suppressed by elites, or lead to self-government without elites. It is difficult to predict their outcome.

[Joohan]

It will occur not as a Revolution, but as a liberation. On January 6th 2022, the one year anniversary of the Democrats scamming the patriots out of tickets to the Capitol Building and the patriots walking in anyways to get what they paid for, a great liberation of the United States of America will occur. Millions and millions of armed patriots with support of patriotic elements of the US Military that stand against the traitorous socialist Democommunists will take back the country through two steps. First, the patriots already in local and state government positions will declare the Democratic Party and the Biden Presidency illegitimate and threaten secession until every Democrat is kicked out of D.C. Then, the patriot militias, while the Democrats are distracted, will take control of every state and federal buildings and declare Donald Trump the permanent God-Emperor of the USA and ban the Democratic Party and create a conservative patriotic utopia without the socialist communist globalist liberal CCP Democrats

Dad, you have an NS account?

[Imperial States of Duotona]

Next revolution will exclusively be a Super Smash Brothers Melee tournament.

Final Destination. No items. Fox only.

[Senkaku]

Because a vast amount of evidence supports the idea that societal and possibly civilization collapse is not only likely but potentially set in stone already by the middle of this century at this point. Unless we get some straight up magical tech that undoes hundreds of years of ecological damage and gives us a way to cheaply convert salt water into drinking water en masse with no real power requirements the future looks incredibly bleak.

Don't buy it, sorry. The Western world is too big to fail,

Lol. What do you think that term describes? Something that literally can’t fail?

and the EU will have a permanent UN mandate and a viceroy-in-all-but-name in the Congo before it allows itself to run out of lithium.

Running out of lithium isn’t really the sticking point here.

It won't be a very nice century, but for the vast majority of users on this forum (living in developed Western countries) it's not their lives that are going to suffer.

No, it’s just that their lives will likely be the last to begin feeling the most severe impacts. There’s certainly a spread of potential futures that don’t all necessarily involve a total global collapse, but between projected tropical wet-bulb summer temperatures, phosphorous supplies, topsoil quality, ocean acidification, and our current emissions trajectory… it’s hard to exclude the possibility either.

[Kerwa]

Either the government provides for them in that case or they will violently overthrow the government and set up a new one which would.

Hence my saying that the technical revolution will lead to some form of political/economic one.

There’s no doubt that we need completely new ideas for a completely new era. It’s fucking irritating listen to people spout the same shit you’ve been hearing for decades, especially when they re enthusiastic nd think their “ideas” are novel and fresh.

I just don’t think that any paradigm shift will be fro the bottom up, or independently conceived. We’ll get what the ruling classes think, and I am sure it won’t be to our benefit.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Don't buy it, sorry. The Western world is too big to fail,

Lol. What do you think that term describes? Something that literally can’t fail?

and the EU will have a permanent UN mandate and a viceroy-in-all-but-name in the Congo before it allows itself to run out of lithium.

Running out of lithium isn’t really the sticking point here.

It won't be a very nice century, but for the vast majority of users on this forum (living in developed Western countries) it's not their lives that are going to suffer.

No, it’s just that their lives will likely be the last to begin feeling the most severe impacts. There’s certainly a spread of potential futures that don’t all necessarily involve a total global collapse, but between projected tropical wet-bulb summer temperatures, phosphorous supplies, topsoil quality, ocean acidification, and our current emissions trajectory… it’s hard to exclude the possibility either.

I know what it means. Did you before googling it to make your shot at a call-out? I think it's a 'nice' way to describe the present and future situation, and it works in both the literal reading and how it is already used in economics. The developed world is a system that will do anything to sustain itself, and let's face it, the people running the rest of the world will prioritise it over their own peoples: they're already closer to it than they are to them.

You make the mistake of taking lithium too literally. It is an illustrative example of the lengths that will be gone to.

And lol no it's not at all going to be NSGers who suffer.

[Senkaku]

I know what it means. Did you before googling it to make your shot at a call-out? I think it's a 'nice' way to describe the present and future situation, and it works in both the literal reading and how it is already used in economics. The developed world is a system that will do anything to sustain itself, and let's face it, the people running the rest of the world will prioritise it over their own peoples: they're already closer to it than they are to them.

I grew up with it. The banks that were too big to fail still failed thanks to their recklessness nonetheless; it’s just that they had a backstop— they had other institutions that could prop them up, save them, stabilize them, give them a second chance at life. What’s the ecological equivalent of quantitative easing, pray tell? Is the solution to climate change just to have the Fed buy a few tens of trillions dollars of carbon offsets? On paper, they could probably plant enough forests to cover the surface of the Sun or something, I’m sure we could pencil it out.

[Segland]

Lol. What do you think that term describes? Something that literally can’t fail?

Running out of lithium isn’t really the sticking point here.

No, it’s just that their lives will likely be the last to begin feeling the most severe impacts. There’s certainly a spread of potential futures that don’t all necessarily involve a total global collapse, but between projected tropical wet-bulb summer temperatures, phosphorous supplies, topsoil quality, ocean acidification, and our current emissions trajectory… it’s hard to exclude the possibility either.

I know what it means. Did you before googling it to make your shot at a call-out? I think it's a 'nice' way to describe the present and future situation, and it works in both the literal reading and how it is already used in economics. The developed world is a system that will do anything to sustain itself, and let's face it, the people running the rest of the world will prioritise it over their own peoples: they're already closer to it than they are to them.

You make the mistake of taking lithium too literally. It is an illustrative example of the lengths that will be gone to.

And lol no it's not at all going to be NSGers who suffer.

Those ignored peoples in the developing world aren't a constant term, though. They can destabilize the order of the developed world even if they don't intend to with something as well-formed as a revolution.