What Form Will The Next Revolution Take?

[Earthbound Immortal Squad]

Only two globally significant revolutions in the last 200 years famously. Ignoring the revolutions in the 1820s, 1840s, 1840s, 1850s, 1860s, 1870s, 1880, etc…

Not every instance of revolution created a distinctly new mode of government. I am discussing revolutions in the architecture of the State, not revolution against instances of the State.

this. the french revolution and the october revolution aren't the two "globally significant revolutions"; i'd say the springtime of nations, american revolution, 1952 egyptian revolution, xinhai revolution, and meiji restoration among others are equally if not more important.

Same as above. The American revolution, for example, was simply another instance of a revolution to install Liberal, or republican architecture to the State.

Not quite, the American revolution was because some rich people didn't want to pay more taxes to the crown. If the tax rates weren't so high I'm sure these same people would have been more than happy under the crown.

[Kaczynskisatva]

what about the agricultural revolution? Without it none of this would have existed (probably.).

I considered this, and I also considered the Republican, Imperial and Theocratic phases of the Roman Empire and Byzantium. Two points seemed like it was enough to form a pattern. Besides, the agricultural revolution was a technological one, like the industrial revolution, not a political one. Like the industrial revolution, it enabled and caused new modes of government, but it is not exactly the same thing.

First liberalism, then socialism, now it will be patriotism

We already have patriotism. Patriotism is just reverence and loyalty for the State - we have this in both Democratic and Communist countries. It is not a system of government.

[Neutraligon]

what about the agricultural revolution? Without it none of this would have existed (probably.).

I considered this, and I also considered the Republican, Imperial and Theocratic phases of the Roman Empire and Byzantium. Two points seemed like it was enough to form a pattern. Besides, the agricultural revolution was a technological one, like the industrial revolution, not a political one. Like the industrial revolution, it enabled and caused new modes of government, but it is not exactly the same thing.

First liberalism, then socialism, now it will be patriotism

We already have patriotism. Patriotism is just reverence and loyalty for the State - we have this in both Democratic and Communist countries. It is not a system of government.

You think the industrial revolution was not political?

[Arvenia]

I edited the OP, to make it clear what I am referring to:

[b]There have been, in recent history, two significant, global-scale revolutionary processes which transformed the architecture of the State, (re)introducing new fundamental political ideologies and modes of government:

- Liberalism, starting with the French and American Revolutions

- Socialism, starting with the Russian Revolution[/b]

I am concerned with global revolutions in form of government, not local revolutions against instances of government. The Chinese Communist revolution, for example, was a local revolution against an instance of government, but it did not represent a new form of government. It was a Socialist revolution.

First liberalism, then socialism, now it will be patriotism

How about a conservative revolution?

[Andronya]

Damn this is one interesting topic.

I don't think there will be a single type of revolution, although I deffinetly think there will be a bunch of revolutions in the near future.

For the Western-World I think more than revolution it will take the form of civil wars based on ideology, I see more and more polarization in terms of ideology in 1st world countries, ESPECIALLY in the US, I think we might see some form of balkanization in the US, Canada and Europe.

In Africa I'm fairly sure revolutions will come in some form of nativist/tribal/racial wars, and this would mostly come from the borders African countries currently have, I simply don't think the state of Africa that the Europeans left is going to last much longer. It's quite unfortunate that there will have to be wars as a consequence, but ultimately I don't think Africa can stay in the way it currently is, there are simply too many differences and arbitrary borders to encompass the entirety of Africa for that.

From Mexico downwards in America I expect there will be a bunch of wars that will intensify against governments, I'm not sure what ideological backing these will have, but government incompetence and corruption is a HUGE issue here in Latin-America, and that has mostly translated in the terrible drug-wars, so I expect that will also have a play.

I actually expect Asia and Oceania to be fairly stable in the upcoming years.

[Heloin]

First liberalism, then socialism, now it will be patriotism

We already have patriotism. Patriotism is just reverence and loyalty for the State - we have this in both Democratic and Communist countries. It is not a system of government.

The idea of the state and more so the idea of loyalty to the state are incredibly new ideas. Nationalism and patriotism as we know today it really only came to fruition with the revolutions of 1848.

[Heloin]

First liberalism, then socialism, now it will be patriotism

How about a conservative revolution?

Reactionary movements are rarely revolutionary in the shame sense. Generally they are led by those already in power (or just recently removed or being removed from power).

[Kerwa]

the american revolution was the first liberal republican revolution against an oppressive state. if anything, the american revolution was a precursor to the french revolution; without an american revolution, would there be a french revolution? if the answer is no, then the american revolution is arguably even more important than the french revolution.

The state the revolutionaries were fighting against wasn’t really oppressing them, that’s propaganda. Of course the colonies were filled with actually oppressed people, slaves, indentured servants etc., bu5 5he rev9lution changed fuck all for them. In fact the revolution succeeding probably made things worse in the long run.

The French revolution would have happened anyway, but probably later.

There will be no future revolutions because technology allows complete control over everything by the ruling class. People have - en masse - far less free will than they are credited with. Big change will come only from societal collapse or outside.

[Bear Stearns]

Nationalist uprising in each country against the global 1% and their PMC lackeys in the creative classes, financial services, academia, entertainment, legal professions, and bureaucracies.

[Limonovshchina]

Nationalist uprising in each country against the global 1% and their PMC lackeys in the creative classes, financial services, academia, entertainment, legal professions, and bureaucracies.

Dangerously based

[Neanderthaland]

Dance-off

Rap battle.

No. That was the last one.

[Untecna]

Rap battle.

No. That was the last one.

Well, you aren't wrong.

[Senkaku]

Nationalist uprising in each country against the global 1% and their PMC lackeys in the creative classes, financial services, academia, entertainment, legal professions, and bureaucracies.

Dangerously based

It’s just some weirdly optimistic spin applied to a wish for a Bronze Age collapse sequel. Who alive today isn’t included in or reliant on “the creative classes, financial services, academia, entertainment, legal professions, and bureaucracies,” besides maybe some subsistence farmers in remote regions of New Guinea?

It’s not necessarily wrong, it looks like something along those lines may happen as climate & other environmental stresses push modern civilization’s energy & food systems to their breaking point, but even if there are aspects of modern life that annoy you, writing about it as an optimistic fantasy is a bit off-putting.

[HISPIDA]

the american revolution was the first liberal republican revolution against an oppressive state. if anything, the american revolution was a precursor to the french revolution; without an american revolution, would there be a french revolution? if the answer is no, then the american revolution is arguably even more important than the french revolution.

Idk but i don't think the brits were that oppresive

Not every instance of revolution created a distinctly new mode of government. I am discussing revolutions in the architecture of the State, not revolution against instances of the State.



Same as above. The American revolution, for example, was simply another instance of a revolution to install Liberal, or republican architecture to the State.

Not quite, the American revolution was because some rich people didn't want to pay more taxes to the crown. If the tax rates weren't so high I'm sure these same people would have been more than happy under the crown.

i know for a fact i had a greentext around here somewhere. let me find it

edit: found it

if you can't read it or dont wanna click the link:

>*blockades their ports*
>*dissolves their legislatures*
>*drags them from the colonies to Britain to be tried in private military courts*
>*rips up their colonial charters*
>*refuses to approve laws passed by colonial legislatures*
>*uses military force to intimate colonial legislatures in session*
>*restricts immigration to the colonies without the consent of the affected colonies*
>*deprives colonies of the ability to elect their own judges*
>*forces colonists to house British soldiers without the consent of the colonists or the colonies*
>*uses those soldiers as tools of enforcement of acts of Parliament against the colonists*
>*appoints swarms of highly paid new bureaucrats without the colonial consent but places responsibility for the payment of the salaries of those bureaucrats on the colonies*
>*make judges and colonial governors reliant on parliament rather than the colonies for the payment of their salaries*
>*strip colonial legislatures of their ability to impeach and remove governors*
>*places their cities under martial law in peacetime*
>*increasingly strips colonial legislatures of their sovereignty and power in favor of royally appointed governors*
>*allows British soldiers to demand uncompensated food and shelter from any colonist under threat of punishment by the law*
>*allows the Royal Navy to block off colonial trade, in violation of the Navigation Acts*
>*arbitrarily attacks colonial coastal towns across the Eastern Seaboard*
>*uses foreign mercenaries in a war against fellow citizens and subjects
>*directs Native Americans to indiscriminately attack any and all colonists*
>*effectively ends the ability to have a fair trial by jury in Massachusetts*
>*directs captured American sailors to be treated as slaves rather than prisoners of war*
>"It was just the aristocrats making a power grab lmao most Americans loved Britain"

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I think the next revolution will be slow and subtle. Rather than masses rising up, it will start with communities coming together to make it impossible for the police to do their jobs because no one will cooperate with them. This will eventually lead to no-go zones for police where communities form alternative power structures to govern themselves. Refusal of work will increase, sabotage will become more common, shortages of goods will increase. Squatting will be rampant. Shoplifting will be out of control.

A slow cancer of the system until a critical tipping point is reached.

[FNU]

Preferably any form that happens to not starve people or make the people have no voice, i.e. a refined form of democracy.

[Senkaku]

I think the next revolution will be slow and subtle. Rather than masses rising up, it will start with communities coming together to make it impossible for the police to do their jobs because no one will cooperate with them. This will eventually lead to no-go zones for police where communities form alternative power structures to govern themselves. Refusal of work will increase, sabotage will become more common, shortages of goods will increase. Squatting will be rampant. Shoplifting will be out of control.

A slow cancer of the system until a critical tipping point is reached.

This is also just an attempt to put an optimistic spin on societal collapse, just from a different political stance. I wish everyone would cut it out. Revolutions produce something new out the other side, they’re not pure exercises in destruction.

[Neutraligon]

I honestly believe that the next revolution will be as a result of automation. Automation will create a massive political change in the same way the industrial revolution did.

[Washington Resistance Army]

In the west at least it's probably going to be violent ethnonationalism spurred on by a mixture of climate change, automation, demographic change etc.

[Alternate Garza]

It will be an anarcho syndicalist Revolution that abolishes all forms of political, economic, social, and religious tyranny and oppression, setting mankind free at last!

[English Realm]

With the current tensions in the world as it is, I don't believe that the next (significant, not just a little insurgency) revolution will be that much different, at least politically, to the historic ones. Of course, how and why will be completely different. But it's not going to take that long for one to happen, especially in South America, Africa, Central Asia etc.

[Kaczynskisatva]

Industrial revolution along the lines of automation.

This is the economic revolution, currently underway. What are the politics that will, or should, eventually accompany it?

You think the industrial revolution was not political?

Essentially, no. I think it was, in its essence, technological, and the technology had economic consequences, and the economics had political consequences.

As I observed in the OP, the industrial revolution was directly responsible for there being a "means of production" to be seized under the Socialist model, and Socialism was a model for dealing with the centralization of production which occurred under Industrialism, which had gotten to a point that was comparable to the monopoly on land as a means of production under Feudalism.

So, some politics necessarily accompanied, reacted to, and were enabled by the Industrial revolution.

What are the politics that will, or should, necessarily accompany, react to, or be enabled by the rise of automation and informatization?

[Neutraligon]

Industrial revolution along the lines of automation.

This is the economic revolution, currently underway. What are the politics that will, or should, eventually accompany it?

You think the industrial revolution was not political?

Essentially, no. I think it was, in its essence, technological, and the technology had economic consequences, and the economics had political consequences.

As I observed in the OP, the industrial revolution was directly responsible for there being a "means of production" to be seized under the Socialist model, and Socialism was a model for dealing with the centralization of production which occurred under Industrialism, which had gotten to a point that was comparable to the monopoly on land as a means of production under Feudalism.

So, some politics necessarily accompanied, reacted to, and were enabled by the Industrial revolution.

What are the politics that will, or should, necessarily accompany, react to, or be enabled by the rise of automation and informatization?

Hard to predict, but what we will see is a loss of power of the masses as they are less and less needed for basic jobs. We could end up in a position where money itself loses meaning due to the changes. The biggest limitation is basic materials.

[Kaczynskisatva]

I honestly believe that the next revolution will be as a result of automation. Automation will create a massive political change in the same way the industrial revolution did.

The system doesn't necessarily have to adapt - it will only do this, if pressured. I alluded, in the OP, to the individual alienation caused by the present system in the spiritual, social and sexual dimensions - it's worth noting that, in an economic sense, most people are becoming obsolete. Will they react to this in a critical way, or will they just take sedatives, watch Netflix, complain softly and get phased out of existence?

What will be, to automation, what Liberalism was to the printing press, or what Socialism was to the assembly line?

Hard to predict.

Yeah.

The future is like that.

Still, it's cheap to do, even if the results are only slightly better than noise, so it's worth trying.

[Neutraligon]

I honestly believe that the next revolution will be as a result of automation. Automation will create a massive political change in the same way the industrial revolution did.

The system doesn't necessarily have to adapt - it will only do this, if pressured. I alluded, in the OP, to the individual alienation caused by the present system in the spiritual, social and sexual dimensions - it's worth noting that, in an economic sense, most people are becoming obsolete. Will they react to this in a critical way, or will they just take sedatives, watch Netflix, complain softly and get phased out of existence?

What will be, to automation, what Liberalism was to the printing press, or what Socialism was to the assembly line?

Hard to predict.

Yeah.

The future is like that.

Still, it's cheap to do, even if the results are only slightly better than noise, so it's worth trying.

The system will have to adapt and for the same reason it had to adapt during the industrial revolution. The source of the change may be technological, but that technological change has a fundamental impact on the structures of society and as such on the politics of society.