Would you vote for a party with this platform?- US Politics

[Republicanana]

I don't why that you can't do policies from both left and right-wing, it is not really a beyond labels thing either.

Honestly, there's nothing that says you inherently can't. However, I still expect that even while the platform's acceptable to the average sane person, the nitty gritty details are going to be a lot harder to satisfy voters from both sides of the aisle that you hope to draw from. And forget it if a culture wars issue springs up. You can always ignore the fanatics, but that's still a gamble on how many Americans fit that category. As I said, it's not impossible, just threading a needle, like any broad coalition.

The "beyond labels" thing wasn't necessarily meant at you as-is, my bad. The term's just associated with a lot of rhetoric from groups who claim to draw from both sides, but tend to be solidly in one camp; I still expect that the average party trying to do a balancing act like this will inevitably tilt one way or the other.

I totally agree with you there. You would just have to campaign to show that while some of what your party supports is best, some of what the other party does might be right as well. The lack of third parties being able to be successful is a major problem that has led to both parties being able to stick to their core base issues and no one who can be "pragmatic" as they would say.

[Wizlandia]

I’m more interested in watching this party try to thread the needle.

Five bucks says it ends up jettisoning one side of the political spectrum and leaning hard into the other half, all the while insisting it’s still centrist or “beyond labels”.

I don't why that you can't do policies from both left and right-wing, it is not really a beyond labels thing either.

IMO, in America, there isn't really a principled sense of left vs right.

Like why is personal freedoms on drugs a left-wing idea, but personal freedoms on guns a right-wing one? Same with pro-choice vs pro-life. Same with vaccine mandates vs no mandates.

SALT Deduction is a tax break for the rich, and yet its expansion is supported by Democrats and opposed by Republicans, so it's seen as left-wing.

Heck, the parties themselves aren't even consistent. One day free trade is a right-wing neoliberal idea supported by Republicans and opposed by (most) Democrats, then Trump comes into power and Republicans become the anti-trade party. Immigration used to be a split issue, with many Republicans and Republican interest groups (e.g. Chamber of Commerce) being pro-immigration, and many Democrats and Democratic interest groups opposed (e.g. AFL-CIO). Now not so much. The two party's attitude towards free speech and cancel culture has also undergone significant change.

It almost feels as though in America, right-wing is just whatever Republicans support at a given time, and left-wing is just whatever Democrats happen to support at a given time. Combine that with the fact that American FPTP naturally results in a two-party system, and coalition formation will push two parties to adopt opposing policies, then almost by definition it's impossible for either party to have policies from both the left and right wing.

[Aurevbush]

-Increase Wall Street regulations ]NO, just don't bail out the big banks when they fail
-Free community college NO
-Medicare for All (PRIORITY) NO
-Pro-border wall, encourage legal immigration through entry points (border wall is not a priority, legal immigration is) I'd prefer a simple streamlined pathway to citizenship so no one has to worry about any hold up at the border
-Generally, Pro-Second Amendment (universal background checks, ban people on the no-fly list) YES, but I am too pro-2A for any checks or bans on law abiding people or weapons)
-Look for wasteful spending in the whole of government, and either cut that spending or move it somewhere else YES
-Do the same thing with regulations, looking for unneeded regulations, but not be afraid to add regulations if needed YES, but the less regulations we have the better.
-Be aggressive in fighting climate change Depending on who will do the fighting
-Free trade deals that can lead to equal trade between two countries, try to end the trade deficit as best as possible YES
-Figure out a way to start paying down our national debt YES, we can start by cutting spendign for wasteful initiatives and unconstitutional programs
-Mandatory Voter ID, universal and free Universal and free,sure! Mandatory? NO
-Renegotiate the Paris deal to make countries like China and India commit to faster emissions cuts YES
-Increase corporate taxes and/or close current loopholes Keep the current rate, close any loopholes
-Increase taxes on those making more than $1 million/year (PRIORITY) NO
-Decrease taxes for those in the lower class and maybe the middle class YES
-Figure out ways to speed up the process to vet refugees to let more in YES
-Legalize marijuana (PRIORITY) YES
-No regulations on cryptocurrency YES
-Criminal justice reform (No three-strike laws, shift focus to rehabilitation, ban private prisons) TWO OF THOSE POINTS, YES, still on thefence with Private Prisons
-Police reform (mandatory bodycams, ban on no-knock warrants, ban on chokeholds, increase training) YES
-Break up monopolies and bring new antitrust action NO
-Ban all corporate lobbying NO
-Repeal the Patriot Act YES


Overall, there's things on this party's platform I agree with, some I disagree with, others I may come to agree with in the future. Honestly, it's much better than the two party monopoly we have right now.

[Vikanias]

No, because it would never exist, it’s like “wait you only agree partially with what I agree with?? You’re SUPPOSED to agree on everything I agree with” there is no compromise with the rapid polarization of politics.

[The Turlesz]

I actually really like this party other than the border wall and increased regulations its amazing. It also depends on what you mean on no cryptocurrency regulation. My only main problem is it would never exist or succeed.

[Monsone]

-Increase Wall Street regulations Vague; could use some refinement as to what specifically would be regulated.

-Free community college How about no-interest student loans and free tuition for in-state colleges for residents?

-Medicare for All (PRIORITY) Honestly, no. Why? Because Medicare For All =/= Universal Single-Payer Healthcare with incredibly subsidized drug prices.

-Pro-border wall, encourage legal immigration through entry points (border wall is not a priority, legal immigration is) Pretty sure the physical border wall is a waste of money considering how woefully ineffective the sections built IRL have shown themselves to be. Also, I'm pretty sure people immigrate illegally because legal immigration isn't possible for everybody. Basically, redundant and pointless bluster mostly focused on politics and not actual policies like speeding up the process for becoming a US citizen, removing quotas on how many Green Cards are issued, etc.

-Generally, Pro-Second Amendment (universal background checks, ban people on the no-fly list)

-Look for wasteful spending in the whole of government, and either cut that spending or move it somewhere else Ironic considering the party is pro-border wall. Also, the solution isn't so much cutting spending as ensuring it is spent properly in the first place. Not saying spending can't be cut, but definitely, there is a need for high degrees of spending when you factor in a lot of issues faced in the US.

-Do the same thing with regulations, looking for unneeded regulations, but not be afraid to add regulations if needed Absolutely not! Mostly because a lot of regulations are left up to states, and sometimes less isn't always the solution unless you want to have the Cuyahoga River on fire again.

-Be aggressive in fighting climate change Cool. How?

-Free trade deals that can lead to equal trade between two countries, try to end the trade deficit as best as possible Trade deficit =/= bad. A trade deficit exists because some jobs and industries cannot exist profitably in the US and hence are outsourced to other countries. Don't get hung up on a non-issue. A trade deficit is neither good nor bad, it just is, so let it be.

-Figure out a way to start paying down our national debt Most US debt is owed too...the US. Of the roughly $28 trillion owed as debt, only about $6.1 trillion is owed to foreign governments. There is no need to pay yourself off because you cannot be indebted to yourself.

-Mandatory Voter ID, universal and free Universal and free, sure. Mandatory? How about no.

-Renegotiate the Paris deal to make countries like China and India commit to faster emissions cuts Yeah, good luck with that. Maybe focus on the US and basically instead of renegotiating you force other countries to take more drastic action lest they look bad compared to a climate action laggard like the US?

-Increase corporate taxes and/or close current loopholes All for it, but how?

-Increase taxes on those making more than $1 million/year (PRIORITY) Alternatively, bring back the Eisenhower-era tax scheme with some tweaks to account for inflation and the like.

-Decrease taxes for those in the lower class and maybe the middle class Sure; see above.

-Figure out ways to speed up the process to vet refugees to let more in Why not do the same for all immigrants considering the sorry state of the US immigration system overall?

-Legalize marijuana (PRIORITY) Yes, sounds good to me.

-No regulations on cryptocurrency Cyptocurrency does have harms, you know. Namely, it has a serious environmental impact due to its high energy consumption.

-Criminal justice reform (No three-strike laws, shift focus to rehabilitation, ban private prisons) This could use a bit more explanation and cohesion.

-Police reform (mandatory bodycams, ban on no-knock warrants, ban on chokeholds, increase training) Sounds great, could use more details and constraints.

-Break up monopolies and bring new antitrust action Sounds great, but in practice, it could wreak havoc on the economy and just force companies to self-atomize and in effect create different kinds of monopolies.

-Ban all corporate lobbying Good luck ever getting elected, then.

-Repeal the Patriot Act ...which expired in 2020 and ergo no longer is in effect?

The problem with a party following this platform is that the platform is full of contradictions like suggesting stronger action on climate change and then urging an absence of regulations on cryptocurrency; an activity notorious for its environmental impact. Overall, any party that follows this platform has likely reached the point that it's so large and unwieldy that such a platform has arisen out of an ungodly mess of different factions vying for influence and power with the end result being a platform full of self-contradictions and lacking significant detail. Either a platform is so simple that any voter can understand it, or it is sufficiently well-explained as to allow any voter to in time understand it. This platform is nether.

Hence, I don't think I would vote for a party with this platform. Mostly because it isn't the platform I personally believe is necessary, also because of the aforementioned reasons.

[Limonovshchina]

-Increase Wall Street regulations
No wall street to begin with. Nationalize strategic large and heavy industries. In fact, go as far as to rename actual wall street to people street.

-Free community college
Free college.

-Medicare for All (PRIORITY)
Universal free healthcare.

-Pro-border wall, encourage legal immigration through entry points (border wall is not a priority, legal immigration is)
And ease the path to citizenship from permanent residence or expand voting rights to permanent residents.

-Generally, Pro-Second Amendment (universal background checks, ban people on the no-fly list)
-Look for wasteful spending in the whole of government, and either cut that spending or move it somewhere else
-Do the same thing with regulations, looking for unneeded regulations, but not be afraid to add regulations if needed
These are good.

-Be aggressive in fighting climate change
Generally agreeable, but be more specific.

-Free trade deals that can lead to equal trade between two countries, try to end the trade deficit as best as possible
Make free trade deals actually equitable to the smaller countries without trying to exploit them with the threats of debt, assassinations, coups, invasions or other forms of destabilization through foreign intervention.

-Figure out a way to start paying down our national debt
Foster national industry and make those with money pay with violent force if necessary.

-Mandatory Voter ID, universal and free
Every adult citizen a voter automatically.

-Renegotiate the Paris deal to make countries like China and India commit to faster emissions cuts
As well as America and Russia.

-Increase corporate taxes and/or close current loopholes
Increase capital gains tax by a lot.

-Increase taxes on those making more than $1 million/year (PRIORITY)
-Decrease taxes for those in the lower class and maybe the middle class
-Figure out ways to speed up the process to vet refugees to let more in
Yes, good.

-Legalize marijuana (PRIORITY)
Decriminalize drug use by itself and invest in working addiction treatment.

-No regulations on cryptocurrency
Monitor them for scams and pyramid schemes.

-Criminal justice reform (No three-strike laws, shift focus to rehabilitation, ban private prisons)
-Police reform (mandatory bodycams, ban on no-knock warrants, ban on chokeholds, increase training)
-Break up monopolies and bring new antitrust action
-Ban all corporate lobbying
-Repeal the Patriot Act
Breddy gud.

This platform includes some left-wing and right-wing positions, which I think are a good platform and I would support it. Putting my opinion so that it does not get taken down like it did yesterday. Please debate and discuss below!

Good start. It could always be better, but what wouldn't be, really?

[Draconisisia]

I already do vote for Democrats when I have to, since we have a two party system. The national debt and "wasteful spending" arguments are just Republican talking points when they want to cut spending on programs such as education and Medicare, so that is inconsistent with the Medicare for all and free college education planks of this platform. The national debt is not actually a problem. If we want to talk about actually cutting wasteful spending, the first spending I would cut would be the "border wall", also the military, which receives more funding than it actually even asks for. As for regulations, of course I'm in favor of getting rid of bad regulations, but the point is that we should have better regulations, not necessarily fewer regulations. How good regulations are isn't determined by the number of them, we might actually benefit from having more regulations.