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rather live in fascist(Nazi) communist (stalinism) socitey

Postby Apotheosis Pandemonium » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:01 pm

For some closure, I believe both of these are bad however I see fascism as the lesser of two evils Communism had killed over 100 million fascism killed 20 million Personally I would rather live in a fascist society than a communist one. Debate me if you like I just want to see if people would rather live in a fascist society or a communist
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Postby Zarnicovia nova » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:04 pm

depends if your a minority
if you are: communism
if your not: fascism
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Postby The Rudan » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:05 pm

Apotheosis Pandemonium wrote:For some closure, I believe both of these are bad however I see fascism as the lesser of two evils Communism had killed over 100 million fascism killed 20 million Personally I would rather live in a fascist society than a communist one. Debate me if you like I just want to see if people would rather live in a fascist society or a communist


Neither. Both are authoritarian and brutally suppress their people. Any ideology that kills millions of people is not worth living in. A society with no power to the people or democracy has nothing.

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Postby Countesia » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:05 pm

Either, i will break it apart from within

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Postby Apotheosis Pandemonium » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:07 pm

The Rudan wrote:
Apotheosis Pandemonium wrote:For some closure, I believe both of these are bad however I see fascism as the lesser of two evils Communism had killed over 100 million fascism killed 20 million Personally I would rather live in a fascist society than a communist one. Debate me if you like I just want to see if people would rather live in a fascist society or a communist


Neither. Both are authoritarian and brutally suppress their people. Any ideology that kills millions of people is not worth living in. A society with no power to the people or democracy has nothing.



I mean if you had to choose one lets say there were only two countries left on earth and the planet is divided between the two nations one fascist one communist

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:08 pm

What kind of communism.

What kind of fascism.
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Postby The Rudan » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:08 pm

Apotheosis Pandemonium wrote:
The Rudan wrote:
Neither. Both are authoritarian and brutally suppress their people. Any ideology that kills millions of people is not worth living in. A society with no power to the people or democracy has nothing.



I mean if you had to choose one lets say there were only two countries left on earth and the planet is divided between the two nations one fascist one communist


If there was only two countries left on the entire planet I would just go the way of other nations.

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Postby Atlantian Federation » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:08 pm

I would rather live in a state where my property is collectivized, my living conditions are stark, and my city is a brutalist hellscape than be sent off to a death camp. Mostly because If I had to live under Nazi racial laws, I would most certainly be either worked to death as a slave or just killed and have my body thrown in a mass grave somewhere. If you prefer fascism, OP, I genuinely encourage you to imagine what it's like to be at the bottom rung.
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Postby Apotheosis Pandemonium » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:09 pm

also if you don't choose one i kinda defeats the whole premise of the post

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:11 pm

Atlantian Federation wrote:I would rather live in a state where my property is collectivized, my living conditions are stark, and my city is a brutalist hellscape than be sent off to a death camp. If I had to live under Nazi racial laws, I would most certainly be put to death. If you prefer fascism, OP, imagine what it's like to be at the bottom rung.


Integralist fascism wouldn't be too bad compared to Stalinist communism if that's your concern. And, if you class him as one, Salazarianism would be broadly fine compared to most communist states. On the other hand, a functional, actually working communist utopia is obviously preferable to any form of fascism.
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Postby Apotheosis Pandemonium » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:11 pm

Atlantian Federation wrote:I would rather live in a state where my property is collectivized, my living conditions are stark, and my city is a brutalist hellscape than be sent off to a death camp. If I had to live under Nazi racial laws, I would most certainly be put to death. If you prefer fascism, OP, I genuinely encourage you to imagine what it's like to be at the bottom rung.


exactly they would not be killing me im as white as a saltine cracker with no jewish hertiage and i do think both systems are terible ideoligeys. I agree with one person who posted here without power to the people or democrocy a society has nothing

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Postby Apotheosis Pandemonium » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:13 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Atlantian Federation wrote:I would rather live in a state where my property is collectivized, my living conditions are stark, and my city is a brutalist hellscape than be sent off to a death camp. If I had to live under Nazi racial laws, I would most certainly be put to death. If you prefer fascism, OP, imagine what it's like to be at the bottom rung.


Integralist fascism wouldn't be too bad compared to Stalinist communism if that's your concern. And, if you class him as one, Salazarianism would be broadly fine compared to most communist states. On the other hand, a functional, actually working communist utopia is obviously preferable to any form of fascism.


well this is stalinist communism obviously if this was the communism that was originally dreamed up everone would choose it but untill a utopia apears capitalism is the best system

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Postby Limonovshchina » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:14 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:What kind of communism.

What kind of fascism.

Clearly nazbol. They never killed or oppressed anyone.
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Postby Rosmana » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:14 pm

Countesia wrote:Either, i will break it apart from within

Same.
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Postby Atlantian Federation » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:15 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Integralist fascism wouldn't be too bad compared to Stalinist communism if that's your concern. And, if you class him as one, Salazarianism would be broadly fine compared to most communist states. On the other hand, a functional, actually working communist utopia is obviously preferable to any form of fascism.

Very good point, but integralist fascism in the vein of Salazar is more just general right-wing authoritarianism that doesn't fully resonate with what I usually envision when I think fascism. The most prominent example being Nazi Germany is what made for my original response, but if I had to live under Franco or some other right-aligned dictatorship I'd probably prefer that because I'd at least be able to survive. The OP is just very vague in general and doesn't fully clarify what it means when it says fascism or communism. Neither's really a monolith, but they do have their exemplars for lack of better words.
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Postby The Disorder » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:19 pm

You wouldn't have any rights either way, so this is a distinction without a difference. Fascism and communism are the same evil, wearing different disguises.
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Postby Apotheosis Pandemonium » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:21 pm

[quote="Ostroeuropa";p="39169285"]What kind of communism.

What kind of fascism.[/quote


nazism should probably clear that up

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Postby Hukhalia » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:22 pm

man i wonder what my opinion on this matter is
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Postby Zarnicovia nova » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:23 pm

Apotheosis Pandemonium wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:What kind of communism.

What kind of fascism.[/quote


nazism should probably clear that up

It's national socalism not Nazism officially
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Postby Hukhalia » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:24 pm

Zarnicovia nova wrote:
Apotheosis Pandemonium wrote:

It's national socalism not Nazism officially

i don't think the particular name of the ideology mattered that much to those at auschwitz-birkenau -- all that matters is that nazism is an unspeakable threat
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Postby Apotheosis Pandemonium » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:27 pm

Zarnicovia nova wrote:
Apotheosis Pandemonium wrote:

It's national socalism not Nazism officially


I know but it's to long to have that in the name also when you think of nazi it's a lot worse then national socialism probably to the human mind

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:29 pm

I would be dead under Naziism. I might survive Stalinism, might not. But i'd roll the dice on Stalin.

Even if I figured I could probably try and get my undesirable bio-characteristics ignored by being a loyal nazi, i'd end up dead at long knives because I wouldn't be able to stop suggesting socialism.
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Postby Apotheosis Pandemonium » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:31 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:I would be dead under Naziism. I might survive Stalinism, might not. But i'd roll the dice on Stalin.

Even if I figured I could probably try and get my undesirable bio-characteristics ignored by being a loyal nazi, i'd end up dead at long knives because I wouldn't be able to stop suggesting socialism.



of course if you are a socialist or anything that disagrees with their ideology you would be sent sent straight to auchswitz

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Postby Zarnicovia nova » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:32 pm

I'm guessing it's the igelogy not the specific contry. It's a country with idelogy of stalinism not the soviet union under stalin. It's a country with the ideology of nazism not the 3rd german reich. because theirs a big difference(especccally with the nazism) as a different country could have different infiror races.
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Postby Limonovshchina » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:34 pm

Apotheosis Pandemonium wrote:Communism had killed over 100 million fascism killed 20 million

Capitalism has killed several billion
The YEVRAZ (Young Eurasian Valiant Revolutionary Autonomous Zones) or the Limonovshchina is a series of authoritarian communist, patriotic socialist and revolutionary nationalist territories across Europe, Russia, Central Asia and the Caucasus in rebellion against EU, NATO, CIS and their respective national governments. It is inspired by national bolshevism and eurasianism of Karl-Otto Paetel, Eduard Limonov and Alexander Dugin and led by the National Bolshevik Party of Eurasia or NBPE.
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