Why I Care

[Heloin]

I’ve told you before, if you are racist your ideology is inherently violent. Your stories of people accepting you as a racist are all either lies or you not taking the hint that whoever you where talking with held you in contempt because you are racist or was afraid of you.

You're willfully ignorant or in denial. You haven't lived my life or ever even met me. You haven't seen the guys that gave me rides home, or the jokes we cracked, or the girls that hugged on me. I'm just some projection to you. I talk to people honestly because I believe that's a matter or respect. Just because not everyone sees eye to eye doesn't mean they can't get along. You just don't get it because you don't have the experience. Some people just aren't as ideologically obsessed and morally fanatic as you.

I’ve meet to many people like you. They all tell the same story and it’s always the same lie. You’re deeply unliked because you’ve decided to be a openly racist and instead of coming to terms with this you’ve decided to came to an obscure internet forum to complain about how you are the victim. I in no way believe you have a single friend who would call you such who isn’t white.

[El Lazaro]

Someone thinks segregation is natural...oh help me, for I found another who hasn't heard of the cosmopolitan societies of Tang China, the Roman Empire, and the United States of America. Ah, and that is not forgeting that Europe itself is a giant melting pot of cultures, with its own bloody history of intermittent warfare and empires.

Even the Vikings weren’t all that white and pure-blooded, ethnic nationalism is more built out of an ignorance of history than any identities inherent to peoples.

[Heloin]

Everyone understands very clearly actually. They’ve dealt with this same kind of racist desperately wanting to pretend they are the victim. The lie doesn’t work when everyone knows it’s a lie.

"Blah, blah, blah, you're lying because I don't like what's being said". When you live under a police state, get stereotyped as a terrorist and threatened, yes, you're actually a victim. I do not consent to this society and I've never been free a day in my life. Sorry my skin isn't dark enough for you to care.

I’m from a dictatorship. One that did attempt to kill me.

[Indomitable Friendship]

I grew up around Black people. I've lived with a Black family. That's not the issue. The issue is that I have an instinctive identity and a correlating association. I don't want to be part of your authoritarian society. I want to build one that is a collective reflection of myself and those who wish to build with me. You think you have a right to dictate how I think and how I live, but you don't. I am a victim, just like any other person that looks at this "free" society and recognizes it for the prison that it is. You're a conformist and a totalitarian. You don't understand.

I guess I might actually be an evil totalitarian for suggesting that racism is wrong, but you’re literally not being oppressed by anyone. Stop with the cheesy grandstanding, I’m feeling secondhand embarrassment.

And I don’t think I’m the conformist for thinking everyone should be allowed to exist wherever they want to exist rather than throwing a tantrum about society not conforming exactly to what I think the ideal person is. You want to surround yourself with a bunch of white supremacists because you’re afraid of engaging with anything that’s even slightly unfamiliar to you.

You're a totalitarian for imposing the clear message that there is only one way to think. You're a universalist; I'm a relativist. I'm oppresssed by this system, which deprives me of liberty; I'm oppressed by the moral uniformity that pervades it and I'm oppressed by those that seek to keep me under it's yoke, which is you. I don't have an "ideal" person and that's what you don't get. I don't expect or obligate anyone to be anything but who they are. I'm not a White supremacist and to be frank, I certainly would never want to be surrounded by them because they are part of the problem. My entire life has been spent in unfamiliarity, so don't give me any bullshit that I'm some creature of comfort. Alienation is all I know.

[El Lazaro]

Everyone understands very clearly actually. They’ve dealt with this same kind of racist desperately wanting to pretend they are the victim. The lie doesn’t work when everyone knows it’s a lie.

"Blah, blah, blah, you're lying because I don't like what's being said". When you live under a police state, get stereotyped as a terrorist and threatened, yes, you're actually a victim. I do not consent to this society and I've never been free a day in my life. Sorry my skin isn't dark enough for you to care.

The US is far from a police state and you’re not the kind of person who’s even affected by what does exist. Law enforcement and the courts screw over the same black people and Latinos that you look down on and the surveillance state hurts a handful of political dissidents, very few of them having your ideology. You’re a privileged crybaby who has to make up silly sounding sob stories to trick yourself into believing you’re being oppressed. You’ve never been oppressed a day in your life and you’ve never spent a day in an authoritarian country either.

[El Lazaro]

I guess I might actually be an evil totalitarian for suggesting that racism is wrong, but you’re literally not being oppressed by anyone. Stop with the cheesy grandstanding, I’m feeling secondhand embarrassment.

And I don’t think I’m the conformist for thinking everyone should be allowed to exist wherever they want to exist rather than throwing a tantrum about society not conforming exactly to what I think the ideal person is. You want to surround yourself with a bunch of white supremacists because you’re afraid of engaging with anything that’s even slightly unfamiliar to you.

You're a totalitarian for imposing the clear message that there is only one way to think. You're a universalist; I'm a relativist. I'm oppresssed by this system, which deprives me of liberty; I'm oppressed by the moral uniformity that pervades it and I'm oppressed by those that seek to keep me under it's yoke, which is you. I don't have an "ideal" person and that's what you don't get. I don't expect or obligate anyone to be anything but who they are. I'm not a White supremacist and to be frank, I certainly would never want to be surrounded by them because they are part of the problem. My entire life has been spent in unfamiliarity, so don't give me any bullshit that I'm some creature of comfort. Alienation is all I know.

Edgy, but do you have any actual arguments? I would be equally “““totalitarian””” if I said raping and murdering little children is pretty bad, even if I bizarrely thought there should be no legal repercussions for doing so, but I have a weird feeling that you only criticize people for making normative statements when it’s in opposition to your racist agenda.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

OP never replied to my post.

[Ayytaly]

Someone thinks segregation is natural...oh help me, for I found another who hasn't heard of the cosmopolitan societies of Tang China, the Roman Empire, and the United States of America. Ah, and that is not forgeting that Europe itself is a giant melting pot of cultures, with its own bloody history of intermittent warfare and empires.

Even the Vikings weren’t all that white and pure-blooded, ethnic nationalism is more built out of an ignorance of history than any identities inherent to peoples.

Viking is more of an "occupation", not an ethnicity.

OP never replied to my post.

OP avoids the real questions.

[Indomitable Friendship]

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[Heloin]

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Why? It's a great source of comedy personally but what do you gain when you must of realised by now that no one here is going to be sympathetic to a little bigot crying about how they hate brown people.

[Ayytaly]

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Dodge forever

[Indomitable Friendship]

Someone thinks segregation is natural...oh help me, for I found another who hasn't heard of the cosmopolitan societies of Tang China, the Roman Empire, and the United States of America. Ah, and that is not forgeting that Europe itself is a giant melting pot of cultures, with its own bloody history of intermittent warfare and empires.

Tang China=All Asian
Roman Empire=Overwhelmingly European
The US=Plagued by identity conflicts and polarization.

Of course Europe was a melting pot, a melting pot of mostly ethnic European cultures, outside of the Abrahamic trio. And OK, we'll take "nature" out of the equation: Some people want to self segregate; do you believe they have no right to at the sovereign level?

[Indomitable Friendship]

Or you know. You could stop being racist, stop wanting an ethnostate, and stop arguing in this thread.

But then he wouldn’t be able to feel oppressed for simply wanting to oppress others!

Serious question: How would I be oppressing others?

[Indomitable Friendship]

Did I label any group as terrorists based on a stereotype? No, I didn't. And this isn't an ideology. How would you feel if someone labelled you a terrorist? You think it's a joke?

“Mein Führer, Roosevelt has called us terrorists when we are but mere Nazi war criminals! The tragedy, it is simply unbearable.”

Here’s an interesting thought: maybe people of races that are actually discriminated against in white majority countries like it even less when you assume they’re intrinsically different and not as human than you are. I mean, I’m not offended here because it’s too hilarious to get mad about, but I’m speaking in a general sense.

Here's an interesting thought: I'm not a war criminal and you're not moral for stereotyping me as an excuse to do me harm. You claim I'm not oppressed, yet advocate and condone harm against me based on my identity. Do you really not recognize your own cognitive dissonance?

[Indomitable Friendship]

There's no charade. I made this thread as a genuine attempt to have dialog with anyone willing to have it. You've harassed me, called me a liar, accused me of potential terrorism and condone harm against me. Am I supposed to be unemotional or act like it's not a big deal? It is, I have to defend myself because no one will do it for me. All of your hypocritical moral grandstanding is disgusting. You want to pass judgement and act like paragons of virtue while advocating abuse and spitting on my effort to have a genuine and civil discussion without rancor. Do you really not understand that you're just a jeering mob with pitchforks? No, you're good people. Your hostility is excused.

On the previous page I can read a little story you wrote about how your woke white boss fired you when your black coworkers and bosses where actually fine with your racism. Given enough time I wouldn’t be shocked if you started telling people that your totally real black friends actually respect you for using the N word.

My boss wasn't woke; he just doesn't want such a stigma in the store. I never got respect for any sort of edgy antics; I got respect because I was a hard worker and a genuine person, but you don't actually know me, so all you can do is project and assume like a broken record.

[Indomitable Friendship]

This guy threatens me and I somehow have a victim complex??? I get accused of being a potential terrorist, but I'm supposed to laugh it off???

Tell me the entire OP is bs and you’ve never had any real problems without telling me the entire OP is bs and you’ve never had any real problems.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

[Indomitable Friendship]

So what? I don't believe in hurting anybody. I get along with other colors. I've worked with people that were racist against Whites and we still had no problems because not all "racism" is at the cartoonish extreme you portray it as. We're all different and it's not only White people that feel that way. You don't have the right to abuse and oppress me over some Original Sin caricature. I've discussed these things with people of all races, face to face and the vast majority have been people that were good to me after the fact. Grow up or find some other socially acceptable victim to persecute.

Ooh, so you’re being persecuted. How can I join in? Pointing out the obvious fact that racism is bad and whites aren’t better than everyone else?

You're already actively persecuting me. You deny my adversity, deny my autonomy and advocate harm to me. I never said Whites are superior to everyone else. I merely said Whites are different, just like all peoples are unique. You're literally just finding excuses to justify your sadism against me.

[Indomitable Friendship]

So what? I don't believe in hurting anybody. I get along with other colors. I've worked with people that were racist against Whites and we still had no problems because not all "racism" is at the cartoonish extreme you portray it as. We're all different and it's not only White people that feel that way. You don't have the right to abuse and oppress me over some Original Sin caricature. I've discussed these things with people of all races, face to face and the vast majority have been people that were good to me after the fact. Grow up or find some other socially acceptable victim to persecute.

I’ve told you before, if you are racist your ideology is inherently violent. Your stories of people accepting you as a racist are all either lies or you not taking the hint that whoever you where talking with held you in contempt because you are racist or was afraid of you.

And I've told you before you are a small minded authoritarian who actively condones harm against me. I'm genuine, you're not. I'm not a hypocrite and some people accept me for who I am because not everyone is as one dimensional as you.

[Omiph]

oooh, 33 page argument thread

[Indomitable Friendship]

"Blah, blah, blah, you're lying because I don't like what's being said". When you live under a police state, get stereotyped as a terrorist and threatened, yes, you're actually a victim. I do not consent to this society and I've never been free a day in my life. Sorry my skin isn't dark enough for you to care.

The US is far from a police state and you’re not the kind of person who’s even affected by what does exist. Law enforcement and the courts screw over the same black people and Latinos that you look down on and the surveillance state hurts a handful of political dissidents, very few of them having your ideology. You’re a privileged crybaby who has to make up silly sounding sob stories to trick yourself into believing you’re being oppressed. You’ve never been oppressed a day in your life and you’ve never spent a day in an authoritarian country either.

The US is a literal police state. It has police, prisons and uses them against any who do not conform to its authoritarianism. I don't really see how I'm "priviliged", as I live in poverty, have no autonomy and am stigmatized by every section of society.

[Indomitable Friendship]

You haven't seen the guys that gave me rides home, or the jokes we cracked, or the girls that hugged on me.

That’s probably true, but mostly for the reason that those are all about as real as the rest of the stories you’ve provided here. But you don’t know the real me, I’m special isn’t really a rebuttal to the point that racist political ideology is oppressive.

This may come as a shock to you, but not everyone is a moral extremist like you. Yes, you don't know me and you don't know the people I've known. You just stick your fingers in your ears and deny everything that doesn't fit your narrative.

[Indomitable Friendship]

You're willfully ignorant or in denial. You haven't lived my life or ever even met me. You haven't seen the guys that gave me rides home, or the jokes we cracked, or the girls that hugged on me. I'm just some projection to you. I talk to people honestly because I believe that's a matter or respect. Just because not everyone sees eye to eye doesn't mean they can't get along. You just don't get it because you don't have the experience. Some people just aren't as ideologically obsessed and morally fanatic as you.

I’ve meet to many people like you. They all tell the same story and it’s always the same lie. You’re deeply unliked because you’ve decided to be a openly racist and instead of coming to terms with this you’ve decided to came to an obscure internet forum to complain about how you are the victim. I in no way believe you have a single friend who would call you such who isn’t white.

You've never met anyone like me and you will never believe anything outside your comfort zone. You've made zero effort to speak in good faith. You're only here to spit on and degrade me.

[Indomitable Friendship]

"Blah, blah, blah, you're lying because I don't like what's being said". When you live under a police state, get stereotyped as a terrorist and threatened, yes, you're actually a victim. I do not consent to this society and I've never been free a day in my life. Sorry my skin isn't dark enough for you to care.

I’m from a dictatorship. One that did attempt to kill me.

And yet you became an authoritarian, anyway.

[Indomitable Friendship]

You're a totalitarian for imposing the clear message that there is only one way to think. You're a universalist; I'm a relativist. I'm oppresssed by this system, which deprives me of liberty; I'm oppressed by the moral uniformity that pervades it and I'm oppressed by those that seek to keep me under it's yoke, which is you. I don't have an "ideal" person and that's what you don't get. I don't expect or obligate anyone to be anything but who they are. I'm not a White supremacist and to be frank, I certainly would never want to be surrounded by them because they are part of the problem. My entire life has been spent in unfamiliarity, so don't give me any bullshit that I'm some creature of comfort. Alienation is all I know.

Edgy, but do you have any actual arguments? I would be equally “““totalitarian””” if I said raping and murdering little children is pretty bad, even if I bizarrely thought there should be no legal repercussions for doing so, but I have a weird feeling that you only criticize people for making normative statements when it’s in opposition to your racist agenda.

Do you have any actual arguments? Because you're clearly sidestepping the fact that you're an authoritarian who believes everyone should be forced to live under your universalist paradigm.

[Indomitable Friendship]

OP never replied to my post.

I missed it, then, please direct me to it and I will address it.