Why I Care

[Konolas]

Hi, an European here.

Have you ever been to Europe? Because last I checked, having an "Euro identity" was nothing to be ashamed off. Also I can probably say this that most of us aren't that fond of having an European ethnostate.

[-Astoria-]

Press X to doubt.

Literally name a more socially stigmatized "ideology".

In what way is it "stigmatized"? That is the question I am asking.

[USS Monitor]

You operate on the premise that people are different based on race.
That premise is wrong.

Yes in some cases you have culture that has a relation to race. But that is because of racism. A spiral of segregation, not because certain races are “culturally attuned”.
“Race” as you call it, is auctally about skin color. I say that because you talk about some “euro” race. When in fact, Europe has many different races. The only thing in common with your “euro” race is that the skin color is white-ish.
That’s it.
Europe is home to many, many, different cultures.
You claim to accept different cultures, and different races, but only if they are white ish ?
That’s some serious contradiction..
In reality, skin color has no more meaning than eye color, or average toenail length.
(Race itself really being a not-so shared lineage).

The only real difference between people is culture and values.
Those are things that we are not born with and that we can change.
And you have already stated that you are open to other cultures and values.

We are different.
But we are all, equally different.
“Race”, or “skin color” have nothing to do with it.
We are all created equal.
White supremacy is a real thing.
(Yeah sure so is black supremacy, but it’s like 5 vs 300,000 instances of it, white supremacy is much, much more prevalent)
There are people that go around, chant with flames and say “you will not replace us”.
There is a lot of racism, but the vast majority is against anyone who is not white.

If you are white, and experience racism, it is no better or worse than if you experience racism as any other skin color, so call it out as such.
But don’t assume that white supremacy is fake, or that the “real” racism is against white people. That’s just lunacy.

We are all different, equally.
We are all created equal.

You say race isn't real, but this is false. Genetics are clearly able to be differentiated and are different as a result of selective processes and mutations that come to cluster together. Culture is a result of genetics and environment, not he other way around. Cultures don't create races; races create cultures. They are collective expressions of genetics. That is why we literally look and behave differently.

I once lived in a city that had roughly 2 million Chinese, and 200 other people. Most of the non-Chinese were white, but some were Brazilian or African.

There were a few bars where white people would gather and hang out. A couple of these bars were also popular with the city's small African community. We'd start the night with a white people table and an African table, but people would sometimes drift between the two groups. There were also a few locals who would hang out with us because they were somebody's girlfriend, or they just thought it was cool to hang out with white people and chat in English. But you could still tell which table was the "white people table." People were not just mixing at random.

In this social environment, there was a Chinese American guy. He was born and raised in Iowa, spoke English as his first language, but he was genetically pure-blooded Chinese. Do you think he sat at the white people table, the African table, or blended in with the locals in the rest of the bar?

[New haven america]

This got old 2 threads ago.

[Galactic Transylvania]

Hi, an European here.

Have you ever been to Europe? Because last I checked, having an "Euro identity" was nothing to be ashamed off. Also I can probably say this that most of us aren't that fond of having an European ethnostate.

It's almost like a continent that is home to many states - most if not all of which have well defined native ethnicities - that at many times in history were in fact in violent competition with each other does not, necessarily, have a unified ethnic identity.

Americans who create some "European Identity" in an attempt to create a unified meaningful 'white nation' really have no idea, in my experience, what they are talking about.

I dare OP to go tell a Serb he and a Bosnian are part of the 'same identity.' He isn't going to take as kindly to it as OP clearly thinks.

[USS Monitor]

This got old 2 threads ago.

I had missed the first two threads. Oh dear...

[Republic Of Ludwigsburg]

Hi, an European here.

Have you ever been to Europe? Because last I checked, having an "Euro identity" was nothing to be ashamed off. Also I can probably say this that most of us aren't that fond of having an European ethnostate.

It's almost like a continent that is home to many states - most if not all of which have well defined native ethnicities - that at many times in history were in fact in violent competition with each other does not, necessarily, have a unified ethnic identity.

Americans who create some "European Identity" in an attempt to create a unified meaningful 'white nation' really have no idea, in my experience, what they are talking about.

I dare OP to go tell a Serb he and a Bosnian are part of the 'same identity.' He isn't going to take as kindly to it as OP clearly thinks.

OP also said he wants the ethnostate to be the size of Singapore.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Hi, an European here.

Have you ever been to Europe? Because last I checked, having an "Euro identity" was nothing to be ashamed off. Also I can probably say this that most of us aren't that fond of having an European ethnostate.

It’s probably just a huge imaginary "concern" of the OP, who already had one or two threads about the same subject locked by Moderation.

I’m from Spain, and have traveled throughout most of Europe. It would be rather silly to talk about some sort of all encompassing Euro identity. Many countries have several of those throughout their different regions, pertaining to the vast groupings that conform different Europeans.

This thread is just a huge wank dream about whiteness and nationalism.

[Dakini]

Euro Identity is easily the most stigmatized and hated concept on the face of this Earth in an ideological sense

No it's not. It's absolutely not. In fact, in the EU, identifying as European is a very good thing because it suggests that you're supporting international cooperation.

White supremacy and white nationalism, however, are stigmatized. Though they're not nearly as stigmatized as they should be.

[Dakini]

Hi, an European here.

Have you ever been to Europe? Because last I checked, having an "Euro identity" was nothing to be ashamed off. Also I can probably say this that most of us aren't that fond of having an European ethnostate.

It's almost like a continent that is home to many states - most if not all of which have well defined native ethnicities - that at many times in history were in fact in violent competition with each other does not, necessarily, have a unified ethnic identity.

Americans who create some "European Identity" in an attempt to create a unified meaningful 'white nation' really have no idea, in my experience, what they are talking about.

I dare OP to go tell a Serb he and a Bosnian are part of the 'same identity.' He isn't going to take as kindly to it as OP clearly thinks.

To be fair, half these white supremacist assholes don't count Slavic people or Southern Europeans as "European" (they probably don't count Romanians either even though they're Romance language speakers not Slavic language speakers).

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Euro Identity is easily the most stigmatized and hated concept on the face of this Earth in an ideological sense

No it's not. It's absolutely not. In fact, in the EU, identifying as European is a very good thing because it suggests that you're supporting international cooperation.

White supremacy and white nationalism, however, are stigmatized. Though they're not nearly as stigmatized as they should be.

The rise of those in Poland, for example, is rather concerning.

[Latvijas Otra Republika]

Jesse

Euro identity isn’t a thing. You can be from the continent of Europe but it’s neither a cultural or ethnic background.

So weird.

[Dakini]

No it's not. It's absolutely not. In fact, in the EU, identifying as European is a very good thing because it suggests that you're supporting international cooperation.

White supremacy and white nationalism, however, are stigmatized. Though they're not nearly as stigmatized as they should be.

The rise of those in Poland, for example, is rather concerning.

The rise of these everywhere is concerning.

[Vassenor]

This is all because we refused to just accept without evidence that what happened in Waukesha was some sort of anti-white terrorist attack isn't it?

[Disgraces]

White supremacy and white nationalism, however, are stigmatized. Though they're not nearly as stigmatized as they should be.

Not on eastern Europe, sadly

It's almost like a continent that is home to many states - most if not all of which have well defined native ethnicities - that at many times in history were in fact in violent competition with each other does not, necessarily, have a unified ethnic identity.

Americans who create some "European Identity" in an attempt to create a unified meaningful 'white nation' really have no idea, in my experience, what they are talking about.

I dare OP to go tell a Serb he and a Bosnian are part of the 'same identity.' He isn't going to take as kindly to it as OP clearly thinks.

To be fair, half these white supremacist assholes don't count Slavic people or Southern Europeans as "European" (they probably don't count Romanians either even though they're Romance language speakers not Slavic language speakers).

Bruh yes in romanian is "da" pls

[HISPIDA]

why are you so concerned about only europeans being white? what about arabs (that more often than not can look white), americans, and a noticable amount of hispanics among others? hell, i'd even say that europeans are less "racially kindred" than you think. depending on where you are, they have skin tones ranging to darker than lighter arabs to so pale that if they touch the sun they burst into flames.

[Disgraces]

why are you so concerned about only europeans being white? what about arabs (that more often than not can look white), americans, and a noticable amount of hispanics among others? hell, i'd even say that europeans are less "racially kindred" than you think. depending on where you are, they have skin tones ranging to darker than lighter arabs to so pale that if they touch the sun they burst into flames.

He thinks they're not real europeans

[HISPIDA]

why are you so concerned about only europeans being white? what about arabs (that more often than not can look white), americans, and a noticable amount of hispanics among others? hell, i'd even say that europeans are less "racially kindred" than you think. depending on where you are, they have skin tones ranging to darker than lighter arabs to so pale that if they touch the sun they burst into flames.

He thinks they're not real europeans

last time i checked qatar wasn't in europe so

[Disgraces]

why are you so concerned about only europeans being white? what about arabs (that more often than not can look white), americans, and a noticable amount of hispanics among others? hell, i'd even say that europeans are less "racially kindred" than you think. depending on where you are, they have skin tones ranging to darker than lighter arabs to so pale that if they touch the sun they burst into flames.

He thinks they're not real europeans

Except the white ones of course

[Kaczynskisatva]

Euro identity isn’t a thing. You can be from the continent of Europe but it’s neither a cultural or ethnic background.

So weird.

This is just factually untrue. The most obvious example here is the existence of the EU, and the monoculture it is in the process of seeding into its territories. The fact that we have someone with #iamEUropean in their signature chiming to signal against the existence of a Euro-monoculture illustrates some point about how that culture interprets the fact of its own existence, but it also demonstrates that it clearly exists.

Prior to this, the white monoculture was "Christendom." If you ask someone who is deeply into white identity politics whether or not Greeks are part of the club, and whether or not Turks are part of the club, the answer you will get - in light of the very short genetic distance between these two - highlights that their instinctive consideration of where the borders on "whiteness" are, are ultimately drawn where the old civilizational borders were drawn, when the Euro-monoculture was called Christendom.

Those borders also lined up pretty well with what was Rome and Byzantium. The only difference in territory now, is that the English found more islands upon which to be English. It is still the same peoples in the same places, aside from the addition of significant overseas territories placing the same people in new places.

Presently, the Euro-monoculture is split between remnant Christianity, and its successor Judeo-Christian ideology, Liberalism. These are both originally and distinctively white modes of thought and being, and clearly separate these formerly Christian, formerly Roman-imperial peoples from the rest of the world as effectively as those earlier distinctions did. Notably, all of these peoples are collectivized under one imperial power, NATO, with the exception of the Russians and adjacent peoples, which are simply a continuation of the East-West schism within former Rome / former Christendom.

I am still waiting for OP to come back from sleep, and get around to making an actionable point based off of this observation.

[Heloin]

I’ll very happily stigmatize racism.

[Disgraces]

its successor Judeo-Christian ideology, Liberalism.

I don't see how liberalism is religious in any way

[Kaczynskisatva]

I don't see how liberalism is religious in any way

I'm all out of statements of the obvious today.

In this context, it should be obvious that both are overriding, monopolistic cultural forces.

[Picairn]

OP, functionally you share 99.9% of your genes with the rest of humanity. The other 0.1% is skin, hair, eye color, or predisposition to diseases. This is because we all have common ancestors from the group of Homo Sapiens that migrated out of Africa 70,000 years ago.

And it's most likely your white skin owes its origin to Middle Eastern farmers, because Stone Age Europeans were black. https://phys.org/news/2015-06-ancient-d ... -skin.html

[Disgraces]

I don't see how liberalism is religious in any way

I'm all out of statements of the obvious today.

In this context, it should be obvious that both are overriding, monopolistic cultural forces.

I still don't see how it is religious