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Pan-Euro Identity & You

Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:57 pm

I am a bisexual Euromutt from the US. I support the 14 Words, but hate the 88. What are your opinions on such topics? AMA and air your grievances.

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Postby Albrenia » Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:58 pm

Might wanna bulk out your OP a little there, such as giving a bit of meat to your various opinions and why you hold them.

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Postby New haven america » Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:59 pm

I think this is gonna go as well as the last attempt.
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Postby Karolengia » Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:59 pm

I am a "Pan-Europeanist" (supporter of a united Europe) and identify as a European, but nothing to do with America or 1488.
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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:00 pm

Albrenia wrote:Might wanna bulk out your OP a little there, such as giving a bit of meat to your various opinions and why you hold them.


IDK, I think a 20 Questions approach would be kinda fun.

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Postby Lady Victory » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:01 pm

You need to expand your OP. It's too short.

Indomitable Friendship wrote:I am a bisexual Euromutt from the US.


In other words, an American.

I support the 14 Words, but hate the 88.


What the fuck does this mean.

What are your opinions on such topics?


Race is an infinitely stupid concept and probably the worst thing Mankind has ever devised next to the mullet.

AMA and air your grievances.


Fuck White Nationalism.
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Postby Kerwa » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:01 pm

Indomitable Friendship wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Might wanna bulk out your OP a little there, such as giving a bit of meat to your various opinions and why you hold them.


IDK, I think a 20 Questions approach would be kinda fun.


Ok. Is it a vegetable?

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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:02 pm

Karolengia wrote:I am a "Pan-Europeanist" (supporter of a united Europe) and identify as a European, but nothing to do with America or 1488.


Do you mean civically or ethnically? Civic nationalism is bland and boring, not to mention unstable.

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:03 pm

Lady Victory wrote:...

I support the 14 Words, but hate the 88.


What the fuck does this mean.

...

Probably something like "I want the world to be safe for white children, but I don't hail to ze Adolf"

ditto on the white nationalism bit
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Postby Lady Victory » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:05 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:...



What the fuck does this mean.

...

Probably something like "I want the world to be safe for white children, but I don't hail to ze Adolf"

ditto on the white nationalism bit


So White Nationalism for the meek. Got it.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:09 pm

The 14 words are “ We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"
The 88 is a Hitler reference
It’s white supremacy without the Holocaust
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Postby Karolengia » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:09 pm

Indomitable Friendship wrote:
Karolengia wrote:I am a "Pan-Europeanist" (supporter of a united Europe) and identify as a European, but nothing to do with America or 1488.


Do you mean civically or ethnically? Civic nationalism is bland and boring, not to mention unstable.

I am not a nationalist of any sorts. The notion that the nation is the basis of political community is a destructive enlightenment idea. Further, there is no single "European ethnicity". I have my own ethnicity which is a part of the greater European mosaic.

I believe in a united Europe because I believe that Europeans comprise a unique civilisation and the best way to preserve and promote the interests of our civilisation is via European sovereignty.
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Postby Nora Xent » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:15 pm

Kowani wrote:The 14 words are “ We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"
The 88 is a Hitler reference
It’s white supremacy without the Holocaust

So the first KKK and the post-reconstruction south?
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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:20 pm

Lady Victory wrote:You need to expand your OP. It's too short.

Indomitable Friendship wrote:I am a bisexual Euromutt from the US.


In other words, an American.

I support the 14 Words, but hate the 88.


What the fuck does this mean.

What are your opinions on such topics?


Race is an infinitely stupid concept and probably the worst thing Mankind has ever devised next to the mullet.

AMA and air your grievances.


Fuck White Nationalism.


I have never felt connected to this country. It is just an authoritarian hole where people call the few extra links on their chain "freedom". My race will survive, the USA won't. 14 Words: "We Must Secure the Existence of our Race and a future for White children". Melodramatic, yes, but I agree with the sentiment. "88" means Heil Hitler; I am against both Hitler and NS and think it is the wrong path. Race is real, as in, there are biological differences between groups that are observable and able to be classified. Your feelings on the matter are the same as Flat Earthers. I wouldn't call myself a "White nationalist" because not only does that sound horrible, but it also is a loaded term and Euro Identity is anything but homogeneous in thought.

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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:21 pm

Lady Victory wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:Probably something like "I want the world to be safe for white children, but I don't hail to ze Adolf"

ditto on the white nationalism bit


So White Nationalism for the meek. Got it.


I am anything but meek.

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Postby New haven america » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:24 pm

Indomitable Friendship wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
So White Nationalism for the meek. Got it.


I am anything but meek.

But you admit to the white nationalism.
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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:26 pm

Kowani wrote:The 14 words are “ We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"
The 88 is a Hitler reference
It’s white supremacy without the Holocaust


Euro Identity, advocacy and solidarity is not "White Supremacy". 99% of "us" just want independence and prosperity. The last thing most of us want is to lord over other peoples because it is that kind of stupidity that is partially responsible for this mess. "White Supremacy" is mostly a Europhobic meme and only a very, VERY small number of idiots actually subscribe to such nonsense.

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Postby Great Algerstonia » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:27 pm

I cannot support the 14 words because they were made by an anti-American
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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:30 pm

Nora Xent wrote:
Kowani wrote:The 14 words are “ We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"
The 88 is a Hitler reference
It’s white supremacy without the Holocaust

So the first KKK and the post-reconstruction south?


No, I personally approve of neither of those things. Here is what I desire: Independence for any European person of any ethnicity, sexuality, religion, or ideology (North, South, Eastern, Western, or any combination thereof like me :) ) to have a country where we mind our own business, stay out of trouble and work with the rest of the world to advance humanity. My goal is to establish a Singapore size city-state for this purpose.

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Postby Nora Xent » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:31 pm

Indomitable Friendship wrote:
Nora Xent wrote:So the first KKK and the post-reconstruction south?


No, I personally approve of neither of those things. Here is what I desire: Independence for any European person of any ethnicity, sexuality, religion, or ideology (North, South, Eastern, Western, or any combination thereof like me :) ) to have a country where we mind our own business, stay out of trouble and work with the rest of the world to advance humanity. My goal is to establish a Singapore size city-state for this purpose.

So you want an ethnostate, and that DOES make you a white supremacist.

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Postby Disgraces » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:33 pm

Indomitable Friendship wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:You need to expand your OP. It's too short.



In other words, an American.



What the fuck does this mean.



Race is an infinitely stupid concept and probably the worst thing Mankind has ever devised next to the mullet.



Fuck White Nationalism.


I have never felt connected to this country. It is just an authoritarian hole where people call the few extra links on their chain "freedom". My race will survive, the USA won't. 14 Words: "We Must Secure the Existence of our Race and a future for White children". Melodramatic, yes, but I agree with the sentiment. "88" means Heil Hitler; I am against both Hitler and NS and think it is the wrong path. Race is real, as in, there are biological differences between groups that are observable and able to be classified. Your feelings on the matter are the same as Flat Earthers. I wouldn't call myself a "White nationalist" because not only does that sound horrible, but it also is a loaded term and Euro Identity is anything but homogeneous in thought.

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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:34 pm

New haven america wrote:
Indomitable Friendship wrote:
I am anything but meek.

But you admit to the white nationalism.


What is "White Nationalism", though? Some people think only Western/Northern Europeans are White, whereas I am a Pan-Euro who values everyone from the pale Swede to the olive skinned Greek. That term is also loaded with things I may not agree with. Plus, not all White people are in solidarity, obviously, which is fine.

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Postby FNU » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:36 pm

Indomitable Friendship wrote:No, I personally approve of neither of those things. Here is what I desire: Independence for any European person of any ethnicity, sexuality, religion, or ideology (North, South, Eastern, Western, or any combination thereof like me :) ) to have a country where we mind our own business, stay out of trouble and work with the rest of the world to advance humanity. My goal is to establish a Singapore size city-state for this purpose.

Pal, I'm all for the advancement of humanity, but I think that it's best that all of humanity leaps forward, not those your little state deems worthy. If you want to sugar coat what you're saying, go on ahead, however the establishment of an ethnostate would do nothing but slow the advancement of humanity. You're quite literally creating an oxymoron "We want humanity to advance, except those humans, we don't like them."
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Postby Indomitable Friendship » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:37 pm

Karolengia wrote:
Indomitable Friendship wrote:
Do you mean civically or ethnically? Civic nationalism is bland and boring, not to mention unstable.

I am not a nationalist of any sorts. The notion that the nation is the basis of political community is a destructive enlightenment idea. Further, there is no single "European ethnicity". I have my own ethnicity which is a part of the greater European mosaic.

I believe in a united Europe because I believe that Europeans comprise a unique civilisation and the best way to preserve and promote the interests of our civilisation is via European sovereignty.


No, what I meant was who is European to you? An African born in Europe, or actual Europeans like Slavs, Latins, etc?

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Postby New haven america » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:38 pm

Indomitable Friendship wrote:
New haven america wrote:But you admit to the white nationalism.


What is "White Nationalism", though? Some people think only Western/Northern Europeans are White, whereas I am a Pan-Euro who values everyone from the pale Swede to the olive skinned Greek. That term is also loaded with things I may not agree with. Plus, not all White people are in solidarity, obviously, which is fine.

So yes, you admit to the white nationalism bit.
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