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Postby ImperialRussia » Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:07 pm

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Well, if they're at all representative of the state of basic scientific education in Russia, it makes me feel a lot better about the state of basic scientific education in America.

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Postby Grenartia » Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:45 pm

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Well, if they're at all representative of the state of basic scientific education in Russia, it makes me feel a lot better about the state of basic scientific education in America.

That is redundant science


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Postby The Second JELLIAN Republic » Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:52 pm

It’s not that anti satellite tests are being conducted, it’s that this particular one done by Russia seemed to intentionally threaten the iss.
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Postby Hispida » Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:55 pm

The Second JELLIAN Republic wrote:It’s not that anti satellite tests are being conducted, it’s that this particular one done by Russia seemed to intentionally threaten the iss.

or it was a stupid accident

in full honesty, it could easily be both

russia wants to show off how stronk it is (force projection's a big deal) but at the same time would russia really do something this stupid
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Postby Grenartia » Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:57 pm

The Second JELLIAN Republic wrote:It’s not that anti satellite tests are being conducted, it’s that this particular one done by Russia seemed to intentionally threaten the iss.


If I were to guess, I'd say it was an intentionally calculated move on Russia's part. Since the US has human launch capability from its own soil again, Russia no longer has as much of a reliable cash cow for its space program, and views the ISS as a financial burden. Basically, "if I can't have things my way, why should anyone have it at all?"

This test also explains why Russia recently made it illegal to report on its own space program.
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Postby Rusozak » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:12 pm

The Second JELLIAN Republic wrote:It’s not that anti satellite tests are being conducted, it’s that this particular one done by Russia seemed to intentionally threaten the iss.


Again, like a third of the ISS and its current crew is Russian. Why would they intentionally put their own station and cosmonauts at risk?
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Postby Hispida » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:12 pm

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The Second JELLIAN Republic wrote:It’s not that anti satellite tests are being conducted, it’s that this particular one done by Russia seemed to intentionally threaten the iss.


Again, like a third of the ISS and its current crew is Russian. Why would they intentionally put their own station and cosmonauts at risk?

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Postby Grenartia » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:28 pm

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The Second JELLIAN Republic wrote:It’s not that anti satellite tests are being conducted, it’s that this particular one done by Russia seemed to intentionally threaten the iss.


Again, like a third of the ISS and its current crew is Russian. Why would they intentionally put their own station and cosmonauts at risk?


Then who else do you propose did it?

If it can't be Russia for those reasons, then it can't be the US, either. That's half of the nations with ASAT capabilities ruled out. India has no reason to do it, especially since they enjoy fruitful cooperation with Russia on military and aerospace matters, and they would have nothing to gain by committing an act of war against them. China has the means to do it, and has grudges against both the US and Russia, but they wouldn't be so bold as to provoke the nuclear superpower on their own doorstep in such a manner.

Again, I'd like to point out, international law means that the only satellites you are allowed to shoot down are ones you own, and so shooting someone else's sat (even if its dead) is a significant diplomatic incident at best, and an act of war at worst. And whoever shot it would know this, and would have to be prepared for the consequences.
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Postby Comerciante » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:52 pm

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Senkaku wrote:I mean not all the imperial powers are this reckless with their ASAT tests, if they’re going to do space imperialism the least we could ask for is that it be competent space imperialism

ok but what about no space imperialism at all

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:53 pm

Kaczynskisatva wrote:
Duvniask wrote:Can we please stop filling orbital space with shit? Do we really want to be the species that trapped themselves on their home planet because they wouldn't stop littering? The Vulcans will be talking down to us for centuries.


By the time anyone has technology to leave the planet, they will have the technology to sent up a fleet of space drones with lasers on their heads, to vaporize all the junk. Until then, satellites are working fine. There is much more space than junk out there.

We've had the technology to leave the planet since the 50s.


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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:00 pm

Ifreann wrote:But think of all the fried foods we can offer them.


I thought you were Irish, not Scottish.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:12 pm

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Ifreann wrote:But think of all the fried foods we can offer them.


I thought you were Irish, not Scottish.

He is Swiss, give them fondue
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:48 pm

NASA/ESA astronauts currently outnumber the cosmonauts on the ISS five to two.

Guess who has first dibs on the lifeboat in that scenario...
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:50 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:NASA/ESA astronauts currently outnumber the cosmonauts on the ISS five to two.

Guess who has first dibs on the lifeboat in that scenario...

The ones who were vaccinated for covid?
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:54 pm

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Ifreann wrote:But think of all the fried foods we can offer them.


I thought you were Irish, not Scottish.

Step 1 of Scottish space programme: create deep fried mars bar-flavoured space food.
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Postby Hispida » Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:28 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
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I thought you were Irish, not Scottish.

Step 1 of Scottish space programme: create deep fried mars bar-flavoured space food.

that's one of the most revoltingly disgusting things i've ever read.

when are they coming out?
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Postby Senkaku » Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:32 pm

Hukhalia wrote:
Senkaku wrote:I mean not all the imperial powers are this reckless with their ASAT tests, if they’re going to do space imperialism the least we could ask for is that it be competent space imperialism

ok but what about no space imperialism at all

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:45 pm

Hispida wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Step 1 of Scottish space programme: create deep fried mars bar-flavoured space food.

that's one of the most revoltingly disgusting things i've ever read.

when are they coming out?

Probably when there's a Scottish space station in orbit, i.e. never.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:10 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Hispida wrote:that's one of the most revoltingly disgusting things i've ever read.

when are they coming out?

Probably when there's a Scottish space station in orbit, i.e. never.

There may be a scot on the ISS, dried hagis comes to mind.
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Postby Grenartia » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:43 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:NASA/ESA astronauts currently outnumber the cosmonauts on the ISS five to two.

Guess who has first dibs on the lifeboat in that scenario...


*lifeboats

There's always at least 2 Soyuz docked at the station, enough to bring home everyone aboard. Plus whatever American capsule happens to be docked at the time.
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Postby Rusozak » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:14 pm

Grenartia wrote:
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Again, like a third of the ISS and its current crew is Russian. Why would they intentionally put their own station and cosmonauts at risk?


Then who else do you propose did it?

If it can't be Russia for those reasons, then it can't be the US, either. That's half of the nations with ASAT capabilities ruled out. India has no reason to do it, especially since they enjoy fruitful cooperation with Russia on military and aerospace matters, and they would have nothing to gain by committing an act of war against them. China has the means to do it, and has grudges against both the US and Russia, but they wouldn't be so bold as to provoke the nuclear superpower on their own doorstep in such a manner.

Again, I'd like to point out, international law means that the only satellites you are allowed to shoot down are ones you own, and so shooting someone else's sat (even if its dead) is a significant diplomatic incident at best, and an act of war at worst. And whoever shot it would know this, and would have to be prepared for the consequences.


I'm not saying Russia didn't do it, I'm just doubtful threatening the ISS was intentional.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:39 am

Rusozak wrote:
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Then who else do you propose did it?

If it can't be Russia for those reasons, then it can't be the US, either. That's half of the nations with ASAT capabilities ruled out. India has no reason to do it, especially since they enjoy fruitful cooperation with Russia on military and aerospace matters, and they would have nothing to gain by committing an act of war against them. China has the means to do it, and has grudges against both the US and Russia, but they wouldn't be so bold as to provoke the nuclear superpower on their own doorstep in such a manner.

Again, I'd like to point out, international law means that the only satellites you are allowed to shoot down are ones you own, and so shooting someone else's sat (even if its dead) is a significant diplomatic incident at best, and an act of war at worst. And whoever shot it would know this, and would have to be prepared for the consequences.


I'm not saying Russia didn't do it, I'm just doubtful threatening the ISS was intentional.


I find it extremely hard to believe Russia said "Lets test our shiny new missile by shooting a satellite without checking whether it will endanger our own assets!"
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Postby Kubra » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:43 am

Grenartia wrote:
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I'm not saying Russia didn't do it, I'm just doubtful threatening the ISS was intentional.


I find it extremely hard to believe Russia said "Lets test our shiny new missile by shooting a satellite without checking whether it will endanger our own assets!"
er...you do?
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:51 am

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I find it extremely hard to believe Russia said "Lets test our shiny new missile by shooting a satellite without checking whether it will endanger our own assets!"
er...you do?
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God, no wonder the USSR collapsed (yes, yes, I know, vastly different cause there).

Russia should have their space privileges revoked until they can prove they're more responsible. To anyone who is angrily replying to this post, that was a joke.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:01 am

Rusozak wrote:
The Second JELLIAN Republic wrote:It’s not that anti satellite tests are being conducted, it’s that this particular one done by Russia seemed to intentionally threaten the iss.


Again, like a third of the ISS and its current crew is Russian. Why would they intentionally put their own station and cosmonauts at risk?

You act as if the Russian government and military exists to protect the Russian people.
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