Bill Maher blames gaming, beards and bad attire for "incels"

[Kaczynskisatva]

Who cares what stupid ideas Bill Maher has about incels?

Watch, I can improve this in increments:

Who cares what stupid ideas Bill Maher has?

Who cares what ideas Bill Maher has?

Who cares what ideas a person has?

Who cares about an idea, with relation to it existing within a person's mind or speech patterns, instead of in relation to its predictive value?

The quality of an idea is determined by its predictive value, not in relation to who declares it.

Bill Maher has access to the same set of information that we do. Therefore, we do not need to cite him in relation to ideas, because he does not add value to them. People, generally, do not need to be cited in relation to ideas, because they do not add value to them unless they are known to have access to information that we do not have. Ideas have lives of their own, and they can live, or die, on the basis of what they contain.

[Na Dene]

Bill Maher is a piece of filth that needs to sink into obscurity.

He is one of the worst boomers: full of judgement and entitlement, but no sense of proportion or self-reflection.

Aand an authoritarian crypto-fascist too.

[Grave_n_idle]

My advice for most guys on the Incel spectrum would be to lose the fixation over female virginity.

Honestly, I don't think that's even really an issue. Especially where 'incel culture' escalates into violence, it's not about virginity - it's about how X is not having sex while Y is.

When you've got a community that refers to women as FHOs (Female Humanoid Organisms), virginity isn't really the issue.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Who cares what stupid ideas Bill Maher has about incels?

Watch, I can improve this in increments:

Who cares what stupid ideas Bill Maher has?

Who cares what ideas Bill Maher has?

Who cares what ideas a person has?

Who cares about an idea, with relation to it existing within a person's mind or speech patterns, instead of in relation to its predictive value?

The quality of an idea is determined by its predictive value, not in relation to who declares it.

Bill Maher has access to the same set of information that we do. Therefore, we do not cite him in relation to ideas. People, generally, do not need to be cited in relation to ideas, unless they are known to have access to information that we do not. Ideas can live, or die, on their own merits.

And yet, you invoked scandals involving those involved in the Lincoln Project to discredit the notion that Trump colluded with the Russians. Which is it?

The truth is, some degree of ad hominem is necessary. It isn't perfect, but for some purposes, it will have to do. Purposes like "extrapolating a pattern of being wrong to the most closely related topics on which one was wrong."

[Big Bad Blue]

Who cares what stupid ideas Bill Maher has about incels?

Or anything else for that matter. He and his mostly white male outlook have been decisively overtaken by events. Feigning outrage at anything he says at this point would be breaking a butterfly on the wheel. It says more about the complainant than anything else.

[Senkaku]

The quality of an idea is determined by its predictive value, not in relation to who declares it.

Bill Maher has access to the same set of information that we do. Therefore, we do not cite him in relation to ideas. People, generally, do not need to be cited in relation to ideas, unless they are known to have access to information that we do not. Ideas can live, or die, on their own merits.

I think you’re overthinking the point that Bill Maher is an aging, blinkered hack

[Chylopod]

Bill Maher laughed at the idea of gay marriage, and still hasn´t apologised for that.

That says a lot about his ´insights´ about love, affection, and relationships.

Bill Maher is way past his Best Before date. And he was never that good to begin with.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

My advice for most guys on the Incel spectrum would be to lose the fixation over female virginity.

Honestly, I don't think that's even really an issue. Especially where 'incel culture' escalates into violence, it's not about virginity - it's about how X is not having sex while Y is.

When you've got a community that refers to women as FHOs (Female Humanoid Organisms), virginity isn't really the issue.

It's worth noting that while some guys have been known to blow themselves up for a shot at 72 virgins in the afterlife, they have not been known to reject women's sexual advances solely over her not being a virgin. (And if this sort of thing has happened, I haven't heard of it.) Yes, they use "slut" as an insult, suggesting they would slightly prefer to have been her first time, and that the "virgins" part of "72" is a net positive. But that obviously has not been enough to give them the inclination; or at least not the willpower; to turn down sex with her even if he's not her first time.

[Kaczynskisatva]

And yet, you invoked scandals involving those involved in the Lincoln Project to discredit the notion that Trump colluded with the Russians[/url]. Which is it?

The truth is, some degree of ad hominem is necessary. It isn't perfect, but for some purposes, it will have to do. Purposes like "extrapolating a pattern of being wrong to the most closely related topics on which one was wrong."

The fact that the Lincoln Project exists does not credit the notion that "Trump colluded with the Russians" in the first place. I made that point clearly, I think you are capable of reading it and understanding it.

Some degree of "ad hominem" is necessary, but there are rules for determining this, just like there are rules for determining what is or is not an argument, or what is or is not a high quality post. If something cannot be processed rationally - if there is nothing inside the package to process, or if there is too much to process, or if it can't be processed for other reasons - then you must examine the packaging itself, because there is nothing else to examine.

For example: you just attempted to do a "gotcha", by claiming that I had attempted to invoke X scandal against Y character to discredit Z idea, and then you linked to a quote in which I responded to your characterization of the packaging by characterizing it another way, and then responded to the idea itself, the package content, stating that there was nothing in the package, no evidence for the idea, and that this is the most important thing, it's already known, and so the packaging does not contribute useful information about the contents. (It does contain information about the sender, but I already know everything I need to about the sender.)

So, this leaves you in the odd situation where you made an argument, and then linked to a thing that refutes your argument.

If I were to only examine the package here, I would be left thinking that this is just a reading comprehension error on your part, because I find myself just explaining the same thing I already explained in the post you linked to.

However, this is an empty package. It's not a coherent argument. It's an argument, but it's not coherent with what you're referring to. It can't be rationally processed.

Since there's no content here, I have to examine the packaging to understand why I received this empty package. Since I see "Trump colluded with the Russians" written on it, and I know from experience that this is a meme which has been programmed into people repeatedly while they are in an unconscious state (not responding to their physical surroundings) watching hypnoscreens. So, I know that this is usually declared reflexively because of response conditioning, and not because it is a conclusion which the person making it has come to. I also know that it is recited to declare an allegiance to an imaginary group of people, in the same way that "Allahu Akbar" is usually declared, not as an attempt to convey a coherent argument, but as a signal of allegiance to a real group of people.

So, I conclude here that there are entirely irrational reasons why you are making this statement, and that this is not a reading comprehension error, but just a conditioned emotional reaction towards an idea, coming from you. I am forced to conclude that you are just "Allahu Akbar"-ing for Rachel Maddow.

This is a great example of why packaging analysis is useful.

There are all sorts of useful inferences of probability you can make about a package content, based on the packaging. We use these to decide which packages to open, when there are too many packages and not enough time to open them - like deciding what to read, in a world with too many books in them.

However, since we are already here, reading this book, we do not need to stop to ask ourselves, "why am I even using this forum?" Or, maybe we do, but that's a different subject. We can reduce all uncertainty about the contents of the package, by opening it up, and seeing what is inside. If we are stone men and it contains a combustion engine, we might have to check the packaging again, because we still cannot process it. However, many times, it contains things which can be rationally processed. This post I just finished writing here is one such case. You could have read most of this post out of a book, with different examples, and it would do the same thing.

[Kaczynskisatva]

I think you’re overthinking the point that Bill Maher is an aging, blinkered hack

If Bill Maher says that people need water to survive, the fact that he said it would not change my opinion on the matter. I already know how to process that statement.

[Cannot think of a name]

Who cares what stupid ideas Bill Maher has about incels?

Watch, I can improve this in increments:

Who cares what stupid ideas Bill Maher has?

Who cares what ideas Bill Maher has?

Who cares what ideas a person has?

Who cares about an idea, with relation to it existing within a person's mind or speech patterns, instead of in relation to its predictive value?

The quality of an idea is determined by its predictive value, not in relation to who declares it.

Bill Maher has access to the same set of information that we do. Therefore, we do not need to cite him in relation to ideas, because he does not add value to them. People, generally, do not need to be cited in relation to ideas, because they do not add value to them unless they are known to have access to information that we do not have. Ideas have lives of their own, and they can live, or die, on the basis of what they contain.

You crawled so far up your ass with this that it’s an expedition.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Aren’t incels like that Seymour Skinner meme: Am I out of touch? No it’s the children who are wrong. That’s just the general vibe I get.

[Munchkinstan]

Who cares what stupid ideas Bill Maher has about incels?

This pretty much.

[Salus Maior]

And Bill Maher is a fucking idiot, again.

[Cannot think of a name]

Aren’t incels like that Seymour Skinner meme: Am I out of touch? No it’s the children who are wrong. That’s just the general vibe I get.

That also seems like Bill Maher’s schtick as well.

[Kaczynskisatva]

You crawled so far up your ass with this that it’s an expedition.

If the primary forms of logic are in my ass, then I am the God of your God, and I make your world real by shitting out the essence of your conception.

I don't have time for that sort of responsibility.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Aren’t incels like that Seymour Skinner meme: Am I out of touch? No it’s the children who are wrong. That’s just the general vibe I get.

That also seems like Bill Maher’s schtick as well.

Yeah I did watch his show but then I got tired of it.

[Phosphorea]

Bill Maher is like herpes:

He never really goes away, and he reminds you of times that, with the benefit of hindsight, you´d rather forget. (Even if you were somewhat enthousiastically participating at the time.)

He also seems really keen to spread his filth to as many people as possible.

[The Holy Therns]

Who cares what stupid ideas Bill Maher has about incels?

Watch, I can improve this in increments:

Who cares what stupid ideas Bill Maher has?

Who cares what ideas Bill Maher has?

Who cares what ideas a person has?

Who cares about an idea, with relation to it existing within a person's mind or speech patterns, instead of in relation to its predictive value?

The quality of an idea is determined by its predictive value, not in relation to who declares it.

Bill Maher has access to the same set of information that we do. Therefore, we do not need to cite him in relation to ideas, because he does not add value to them. People, generally, do not need to be cited in relation to ideas, because they do not add value to them unless they are known to have access to information that we do not have. Ideas have lives of their own, and they can live, or die, on the basis of what they contain.

You use so many words to say nothing.

[The Disorder]

Who cares?

I could blame the existence of quantum cryptography on photosynthesis, mechanical pencils, and the battle of Thermopylae - and it wouldn't mean a damn thing. Even if there was some relation between them (which there isn't), no one would notice or care.

...Why would people notice or care about some random person's opinion on the unrelated & irrelevant?

[Dreria]

Odreria blames bill maher for “nation states”

[Comerciante]

Oh god oh fuck.

I play video games.

I have a beard.

I wear worn out jeans and flannel, idk if that bad attire but whatever.

NSG, am I an incel now?

By all accounts if you weren't before you are for sure, I mean consider for a moment... your posting on NSG.

[The V I C]

Bill Maher set a world record for the amount of things he was wrong about. The man literally never has a good take.

[Reorganized Tryphalia]

I find it hilarious that people recommend marriage, courtship, and heavy financial investment (aka “dating”) as a solution to the incels’ woes. That’s like recommending amputation of the arm or leg to cure Parkinson’s. It didn’t solve your problems. It just gave you new ones.

The long term solution is to improve yourself without worrying about sex for a while. When you’re ten to twenty years older and richer, the girls will be eager. Now, whether you want the same ones that rejected you before is your quandary. I would not.

To quote a popular feminist saying against the ladies this time, “If she doesn’t want you at your worst, she doesn’t deserve you at your best.”

[The V I C]

I find it hilarious that people recommend marriage, courtship, and heavy financial investment (aka “dating”) as a solution to the incels’ woes. That’s like recommending amputation of the arm or leg to cure Parkinson’s. It didn’t solve your problems. It just gave you new ones.

The long term solution is to improve yourself without worrying about sex for a while. When you’re ten to twenty years older and richer, the girls will be eager. Now, whether you want the same ones that rejected you before is your quandary. I would not.

To quote a popular feminist against the ladies this time, “If she doesn’t want you at your worst, she doesn’t deserve you at your best.”

Tbh alot of incels have a bad attitude. I can't say they all do but some of these guys would attract women if they just acted a little more normal and touched grass once in a while.