Bill Maher blames gaming, beards and bad attire for "incels"

[GuessTheAltAccount]

So back to the baby-trap issue, how do we know it isn't a significant risk? There are millions of single mothers out there. They can't all have tried and failed to pull a baby trap, but they can't all not have done so either. And that's putting aside the fact that even if she honestly thought she wouldn't keep the baby and honestly changed her mind, the results if she goes after him for child support would be the same. Why should we take the word of people who so overconfidently guessed wrong about our personal lives as to how common these scenarios are or aren't?

[Sundiata]

Not everywhere in the United States unfortunately.

Not just in the United States, you know.

I can agree to disagree on whether or not it should be (most recent prostitution thread "should brothels exist" should be to your interest) but here please let's just focus on what applies within the law, as it stands, to much of the US and to many other countries.

That's fine.

I take a hard line against prostitution anyway. Young men just need to put a better foot forward these days. Join the military, go to university, join the church. There's so many ways to make your life better and your country better.

[Sundiata]

So back to the baby-trap issue, how do we know it isn't a significant risk?

It is, but just don't have sex with a woman who isn't your wife.

Why should we take the word of people who so overconfidently guessed wrong about our personal lives as to how common these scenarios are or aren't?

Well, a critical part of marriage and relationships is trust. Don't take risks without reasonable preparation.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

So back to the baby-trap issue, how do we know it isn't a significant risk?

It is, but just don't have sex with a woman who isn't your wife.

Why should we take the word of people who so overconfidently guessed wrong about our personal lives as to how common these scenarios are or aren't?

Well, a critical part of marriage and relationships is trust.

"Trust" is for idiots. Could you imagine if women were expected to "trust" their husbands about not minding at all if she's plump? We get these vows in writing precisely because people of either sex could otherwise so easily go back on their word.

Also, wives can still change their mind about whether or not to keep the baby if the condom breaks. Or can, you know, have been untruthful about it from the start. So marriage doesn't begin to address this issue.

[Blue Florentine]

Beards cause men to be incels? Explain every Muslim man who got married by 20.

Or Amish.
Or Hasidic Jew.

Arranged marriages. They have no choice.

[Kerwa]

So back to the baby-trap issue, how do we know it isn't a significant risk? There are millions of single mothers out there. They can't all have tried and failed to pull a baby trap, but they can't all not have done so either. And that's putting aside the fact that even if she honestly thought she wouldn't keep the baby and honestly changed her mind, the results if she goes after him for child support would be the same. Why should we take the word of people who so overconfidently guessed wrong about our personal lives as to how common these scenarios are or aren't?

Not all of them get child support for a variety of reasons, and many of them are single as a result of relationships failing for reasons other than pregnancy. Really it’s just not a thing.

But if it’s that awful in your brain, freeze some sperm and get a vasectomy.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Bill Maher isn't smart and people should stop paying attention to him.

[Kerwa]

That's fine.

I take a hard line against prostitution anyway. Young men just need to put a better foot forward these days. Join the military, go to university, join the church. There's so many ways to make your life better and your country better.

This is terrible advice. Society and the country is not owed a living. This is what the ruling classes want the peasants to believe.

[Nilokeras]

these threads are a real treat for me, since they always swing back around to your central fixation about how women are treacherous harpies out to collect your seed. you can play a fun game betting with your friends about how many posts it'll take to get from Bill Maher/religion to your sexual anxiety. this time you made it there in less than three pages!

[Dakini]

A bit like certain women who constantly chase more attractive men while ignoring average men and then whining when said men don’t commit or even reciprocate their interest. Entitlement goes both ways and men don’t owe women sex, money, or marriage, either.

It's also worth noting that if she manages to seduce him into sex, she can make him owe 18 years' worth of child support money (there's no "she said she'd abort" exception), even if he can't afford it and it'd drive him into poverty with her, if he refuses to be hers and only hers. I'm not sure there's really any gender-flipped "equivalent" of that. (Nor should there be, just so I'm clear on this.)

jfc, we get it, you hate women with a passion that burns with the light of a thousand suns. We don't care.

So back to the baby-trap issue, how do we know it isn't a significant risk? There are millions of single mothers out there. They can't all have tried and failed to pull a baby trap, but they can't all not have done so either. And that's putting aside the fact that even if she honestly thought she wouldn't keep the baby and honestly changed her mind, the results if she goes after him for child support would be the same. Why should we take the word of people who so overconfidently guessed wrong about our personal lives as to how common these scenarios are or aren't?

Thread-jacking your own thread to go on about how women just want to trap you with a baby because we're all such manipulative assholes.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

these threads are a real treat for me, since they always swing back around to your central fixation about how women are treacherous harpies out to collect your seed. you can play a fun game betting with your friends about how many posts it'll take to get from Bill Maher/religion to your sexual anxiety. this time you made it there in less than three pages!

Because it's literally about "incels" because that's literally the topic of the thread. Bill Maher refers to "inceldom"; something that, if even at all definable, hasn't gotten mainstream attention until recently, and I refer to other things that have gotten increasing attention lately that may have contributed to this, certainly things that have either changed more; or the attention on them changed more; than the things Bill alluded to.

Anyone can be treacherous, but this particular form of it is something only one sex is empowered to engage in by the laws as they currently stand. And the people saying it's not going to happen are typically the same people who've been wrong about everything else.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

It's also worth noting that if she manages to seduce him into sex, she can make him owe 18 years' worth of child support money (there's no "she said she'd abort" exception), even if he can't afford it and it'd drive him into poverty with her, if he refuses to be hers and only hers. I'm not sure there's really any gender-flipped "equivalent" of that. (Nor should there be, just so I'm clear on this.)

jfc, we get it, you hate women with a passion that burns with the light of a thousand suns. We don't care.

So back to the baby-trap issue, how do we know it isn't a significant risk? There are millions of single mothers out there. They can't all have tried and failed to pull a baby trap, but they can't all not have done so either. And that's putting aside the fact that even if she honestly thought she wouldn't keep the baby and honestly changed her mind, the results if she goes after him for child support would be the same. Why should we take the word of people who so overconfidently guessed wrong about our personal lives as to how common these scenarios are or aren't?

Thread-jacking your own thread to go on about how women just want to trap you with a baby because we're all such manipulative assholes.

I didn't say "all". I'm saying "any". As in, that the law makes no distinction between whether she trapped him with the baby on purpose or not, and no one can tell in advance whether or not she's the type to do so. Each sex has its virtues and vices; to focus on one vice the law specifically empowers one sex to engage in does not constitute hatred.

So why should I believe your assessment of its likelihood when you can't even represent what I'm saying accurately?

[Grenartia]

It is, but just don't have sex with a woman who isn't your wife.


Well, a critical part of marriage and relationships is trust.

"Trust" is for idiots. Could you imagine if women were expected to "trust" their husbands about not minding at all if she's plump? We get these vows in writing precisely because people of either sex could otherwise so easily go back on their word.

Also, wives can still change their mind about whether or not to keep the baby if the condom breaks. Or can, you know, have been untruthful about it from the start. So marriage doesn't begin to address this issue.

Damn, man, you sure went full incel.

Could you imagine if women were expected to "trust" their husbands about not minding at all if she's plump?

I literally can and do. And more than that, I've actually seen it IRL.

We get these vows in writing precisely because people of either sex could otherwise so easily go back on their word.

Yikes, fam. You really did internalize all those "boomer hate wife" jokes from 90s sitcoms, didn't you?

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Damn, man, you sure went full incel.

See, this is the problem with NSers. They keep going back and forth between making claims about incels that would presumably negate the label applying to me if it were definable / if these claims were true, then counting me as an incel whenever it suits their agenda.

I literally can and do. And more than that, I've actually seen it IRL.

And yet, it's considered more socially acceptable to doubt his attraction to her than to mistrust in the ways I've noted.

Yikes, fam. You really did internalize all those "boomer hate wife" jokes from 90s sitcoms, didn't you?

Nah, I get that some people are happily married. Just like some people stand outside in a thunderstorm without getting hit by lightning.

But if trust needs to be the goal, a legal system that gives people more to fall back on when their trust turns out to be misplaced should be the ideal.

As well, if trust needs to be the goal, perhaps those touting it; including on this site; should not be undermining their own credibility through contradictions like those listed above?

[North Washington Republic]

What Bill Maher states what are the reasons why one can be an incel is just plain stupid.

That being said, I think the reasons why some men become incels is multifaceted, but the main reason is because of mental health issues. The self-loathing and misanthropy that many, if not most incels suffer from. It can be argued that I fit many of the traits of an incel at one time. There is some societal blame for this too, but it’s isn’t the reasons which incels state. This is a result of the utter and complete failure of mental healthcare in this country, and the over sexualization we have permitted. If one isn’t having sex, they are looked at a weird. Traditionalists are have blame on their hands as well. Rushing people to find a partner and get married isn’t the solution either. As a Christian, I believe God has called some people to chastity. Some individuals are not meant to get married or have any sort of sexual relationships, and that’s okay.

And this must be said, incel forums and communities are largely toxic and embrace a self destructive lifestyle and mindset that leads these individuals to commit violence, up to including murder and suicide. They discourage people from getting professional help.

[Grenartia]

Damn, man, you sure went full incel.

See, this is the problem with NSers.

Then why are you here?

They keep going back and forth between making claims about incels that would presumably negate the label applying to me if it were definable / if these claims were true, then counting me as an incel whenever it suits their agenda.

If people keep mistaking you for an incel, then maybe that's a sign.

I literally can and do. And more than that, I've actually seen it IRL.

And yet, it's considered more socially acceptable to doubt his attraction to her than to mistrust in the ways I've noted.

Congratulations, you've discovered sexism. Would you like a cookie?

Yikes, fam. You really did internalize all those "boomer hate wife" jokes from 90s sitcoms, didn't you?

Nah, I get that some people are happily married. Just like some people stand outside in a thunderstorm without getting hit by lightning.

But if trust needs to be the goal, a legal system that gives people more to fall back on when their trust turns out to be misplaced should be the ideal.

My guy, stop trying to reinvent the wheel. Especially when your new design is shaped like an oval instead of a circle.

As well, if trust needs to be the goal, perhaps those touting it; including on this site; should not be undermining their own credibility through contradictions like those listed above?

lolwtfbbq

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Then why are you here?

Because it's nonetheless been instrumental in shaping my worldview and I feel compelled to keep coming back to the source of that worldview to ask my follow-up questions about it.

If people keep mistaking you for an incel, then maybe that's a sign.

And yet, they keep referring to things about them that I know for a fact are at odds with my life.

Congratulations, you've discovered sexism. Would you like a cookie?

Har har.

But life is not gender neutral, because not everything has an opposite sex equivalent. The law does not empower men to do the same thing to women, in this sort of context, because she has more ways out, and people are biased against admitting it could happen to them at all.

My guy, stop trying to reinvent the wheel. Especially when your new design is shaped like an oval instead of a circle.

Yeah, well, that tire's engineers haven't exactly been paragons of credibility lately.

[Kerwa]

If you need a legal system to fall back on to trust people in the first place you don’t really trust them.

You could try dating for an extended periods and getting to really know some before having sex with them. Crazy idea I know.

I would agree that popular media is probably responsible for a lot of misery.

[North Washington Republic]

If you need a legal system to fall back on to trust people in the first place you don’t really trust them.

You could try dating for an extended periods and getting to really know some before having sex with them. Crazy idea I know.

I would agree that popular media is probably responsible for a lot of misery.

That is one thing incels don’t seem to comprehend. If they want a monogamous, Husband-Wife relationship, then that requires courtship in Western societies. We don’t have arranged marriages for the most part. It seems that most want a wife with little effort on their part.
They want it to be like Rebecca and Isaac…

[USS Monitor]

It is, but just don't have sex with a woman who isn't your wife.


Well, a critical part of marriage and relationships is trust.

"Trust" is for idiots. Could you imagine if women were expected to "trust" their husbands about not minding at all if she's plump? We get these vows in writing precisely because people of either sex could otherwise so easily go back on their word.

Also, wives can still change their mind about whether or not to keep the baby if the condom breaks. Or can, you know, have been untruthful about it from the start. So marriage doesn't begin to address this issue.

If you don't trust someone you shouldn't be marrying them. Feel free to not get married.

[Stellar Colonies]

who?

Incels (male and female) often seem to start as people with some undesirable trait (usually poor social skills, often unrealistic expectations), and if they can't work past the issue, it traps them in a cycle of hatred towards the group they perceive as denying them affection. If they have bad experiences, it quickens that cycle. Men are overrepresented because of social norms pressuring them into being the ones to initiate and women being pressured to wait for 'suitors' to come to them.

Dissolving that social norm would help, but there'd still be members of that group floating around.

Although difficult, trying to help incels break that cycle is better than pushing them into a corner even more.

[North Washington Republic]

who?

Incels (male and female) often seem to start as people with some undesirable trait (usually poor social skills), and if they can't work past the issue, it traps them in a cycle of hatred towards the group they perceive as denying them affection. If they have bad experiences, it quickens that cycle. Men are overrepresented because of social norms pressuring them into being the ones to initiate and women being pressured to wait for 'suitors' to come to them.

Dissolving that social norm would help, but there'd still be members of that group floating around.

Although difficult, trying to help incels break that cycle is better than pushing them into a corner even more.

Getting themselves proper healthcare for their mental health is a start.

[Saiwania]

"Trust" is for idiots. Could you imagine if women were expected to "trust" their husbands about not minding at all if she's plump? We get these vows in writing precisely because people of either sex could otherwise so easily go back on their word.

Its true that trust in itself carries the risk of it backfiring but at the same time, it usually flat out doesn't work to have no trust for anyone ever. You risk alienating people and make it all the more likely that they'll betray you if you're too hostile or push them away. The true way is perhaps to use/gain foresight to see from the other perspective and to aim for pursuing what is mutually beneficial. To strive to be unbiased and fair minded.

What someone else wants in life in terms of dreams/goals/aspirations you should try to help or fit within that if its compatible with what you're after as well. But you shouldn't suffocate them either in that they have to be free to choose differently, even if its not you they pick in the end. Don't make the mistake of letting your own emotions/expectations become too one sided as to set yourself up for disappointment or tragedy.

My advice for most guys on the Incel spectrum would be to lose the fixation over female virginity. Get over the fact that most women you meet (and a fair amount of men as well), will have had a sexual past that didn't involve you if they're not of a young age such as in their early 20s at latest. Its a stupid double standard in society that should be discarded. Just because you personally, haven't had sex ever doesn't mean that was how their life path went.

I find that for most people, the past is the past or should be. They're focused on their current life and not on their ex if that relationship is truly finished. If they're not a virgin, it has nothing to do with you generally speaking. You simply weren't their first major relationship that became physical, perhaps they didn't meet you until later, had a previously good relationship that just didn't work out in the long term, or realized that waiting for the right person was too impractical, because the net effect is that they'll be waiting forever if the aim is too much towards wanting perfection in terms of potential partners.

What should matter is if they're with you now and there is enough mutual benefit for both sides to be content with the other.

[Luminesa]

The same itineration of the same incel thread that has been done several times by the same person, now wearing pink socks instead of red ones. “Baby traps.” Sounds like someone missed a child support payment and ain’t happy.
Fortunately there is an affordable resource available to you!

[USS Monitor]

"Trust" is for idiots. Could you imagine if women were expected to "trust" their husbands about not minding at all if she's plump? We get these vows in writing precisely because people of either sex could otherwise so easily go back on their word.

Its true that trust in itself carries the risk of it backfiring but at the same time, it usually flat out doesn't work to have no trust for anyone ever. You risk alienating people and make it all the more likely that they'll betray you if you're too hostile or push them away. The true way is perhaps to use/gain foresight to see from the other perspective and to aim for pursuing what is mutually beneficial. To strive to be unbiased and fair minded.

What someone else wants in life in terms of dreams/goals/aspirations you should try to help or fit within that if its compatible with what you're after as well. But you shouldn't suffocate them either in that they have to be free to choose differently, even if its not you they pick in the end. Don't make the mistake of letting your own emotions/expectations become too one sided as to set yourself up for disappointment or tragedy.

My advice for most guys on the Incel spectrum would be to lose the fixation over female virginity. Get over the fact that most women you meet (and a fair amount of men as well), will have had a sexual past that didn't involve you if they're not of a young age such as in their early 20s at latest. Its a stupid double standard in society that should be discarded. Just because you personally, haven't had sex ever doesn't mean that was how their life path went.

I find that for most people, the past is the past or should be. They're focused on their current life and not on their ex if that relationship is truly finished. If they're not a virgin, it has nothing to do with you generally speaking. You simply weren't their first major relationship that became physical, perhaps they didn't meet you until later, had a previously good relationship that just didn't work out in the long term, or realized that waiting for the right person was too impractical, because the net effect is that they'll be waiting forever if the aim is too much towards wanting perfection in terms of potential partners.

What should matter is if they're with you now and there is enough mutual benefit for both sides to be content with the other.

Wow, not every day I see you giving such good advice.