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Who do you vote for? If all other factors are the same?

Candidate 1 (straight Christian family man)
6
18%
Candidate 2 (LGBT atheist colored single woman)
12
35%
I use randomness to decide
3
9%
I do not vote
13
38%
 
Total votes : 34

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ImperialRussia
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Postby ImperialRussia » Sat Nov 06, 2021 11:00 pm

I guess Socialist Democracy is the winner

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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Sat Nov 06, 2021 11:06 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:I vote for the opposite of whoever Sai endorses. Always vote against the Nazi.

Ug wins the award for the correct answer.

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Haganham
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Postby Haganham » Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:30 am

Neanderthaland wrote:I vote for the opposite of whoever Sai endorses. Always vote against the Nazi.

Ah but what if sai predicts your choice and endorses the opposite of what they want?
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Galactic Transylvania
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Postby Galactic Transylvania » Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:57 am

Classic IM thread: a counter-factual that is near impossible to happen.

Candidate 2 has lived such a different life from Candidate 1 that it is almost impossible for both candidates to have the same views.
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Mercatus
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Postby Mercatus » Sun Nov 07, 2021 6:11 am

I vote candidate 1 because of the words “straight”, “Christian”, and “family”.
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Kaczynskisatva
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Postby Kaczynskisatva » Sun Nov 07, 2021 6:17 am

It is impossible for two such people to have the same moral compass. This hypothetical is comparable to the hypothetical, "what if there was a fruit that was both an apple, and an orange? Not a hyrbid of the two, but both 100% apple, and 100% orange."

This is outside of the range of what can be conceived of, so it cannot be meaningfully understood. Another way to interpret your question is, "What if, hypothetically, these personal features of individuals were entirely insignificant to their functions - would you consider them to be significant?"

The answer is in the question, so it is a tautology, not a question. Nothing with any comprehensible meaning has been stated in the thesis of this thread.

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Great Algerstonia
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:50 am

I vote #1 because only communists are atheists because they are in a secret alliance with Satan as shown by the Satanic Temple
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Infected Mushroom
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Nov 07, 2021 8:07 am

Thread is going well. Good diversity of opinions. Good arguments from all sides. I like.

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The Controlist Ferwerter Union
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Postby The Controlist Ferwerter Union » Sun Nov 07, 2021 8:16 am

I would vote for number 2 because I would rather not have a religious person lead my country
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Nov 07, 2021 8:17 am

The Controlist Ferwerter Union wrote:I would vote for number 2 because I would rather not have a religious person lead my country


Oh? How come?

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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:00 am

Page wrote:Candidate 2 because she's an atheist because even Christians who say that it doesn't effect their politics are lying even if they believe it.

Nah, it doesn't have to be the case. It is entirely possible (even likely) that both are the normal types of corrupt self-interested rabid sociopaths whose identities are just there to generate votes, and thus their views can comfortably be exactly the same.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:03 am

Haganham wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:I vote for the opposite of whoever Sai endorses. Always vote against the Nazi.

Ah but what if sai predicts your choice and endorses the opposite of what they want?

Well then darn, I guess I'll have accidentally voted for a virtually identical candidate. Oh no.
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The Controlist Ferwerter Union
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Postby The Controlist Ferwerter Union » Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:59 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Controlist Ferwerter Union wrote:I would vote for number 2 because I would rather not have a religious person lead my country


Oh? How come?


Because if the only difference between two candidates is that one is religious and the other is not, I would trust more in the non-religious candidate to make good political decisions because I think he or she acts morally good not out of fear for a God, but purely out of his or her own nature and also I would better trust a politician who accepts that he or she does not know or understand certain things than making up stories to comfort him or herself. To be clear this is not an attack on religion, I don't think religious people are untrustworthy just that non-religious people are more likely to make political decisions more in line with my own views.
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Postby Qassemist Soviet Iraq » Mon Nov 08, 2021 1:15 am

San Lumen wrote:Extremely unlikely if not impossible they’d be so similar. With no real choice as much as it pains me to say it I would sit out the election unless I could find some small difference I liked.


Really? Honestly, both parties are essentially puppets of corporate hegemons and the leaders of high finance.
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Infected Mushroom
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:58 am

Dundee Derry wrote:OP Wrote:
Who do you vote for? If all other factors are the same?


Er... Third Party? Like... other options exist ya know?


I’m assuming that you’ve got, practically speaking, a 2 party situation (in terms of electoral viability). Kind of like the IRL USA.

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Resilient Acceleration
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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:24 am

San Lumen wrote:Extremely unlikely if not impossible they’d be so similar. With no real choice as much as it pains me to say it I would sit out the election unless I could find some small difference I liked.

Anything can happen in politics. Last time in my country, all of the hardline Islamist fundamentalists and most millennials voted for the secular-nationalist candidate, who is unable to properly recite the Quran and who was formerly a key figure within the New Order military regime known to have persecuted ulemas. Meanwhile, all of the secular urban liberals and most boomers voted for the most powerful Muslim cleric in the country who was influential behind the success of the Islamist 2016 blasphemy mass protests.

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