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Stellar Colonies
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Founded: Mar 27, 2017
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Stellar Colonies » Sun Nov 07, 2021 3:05 pm

Relating to the thread topic, a system of donations will merely streamline the process of the wealthy twisting everything in their favor, even if it requires one person per push - they'll just pay to win.

Of course, the same point more or less has undoubtedly been brought up in these threads since before I joined NS, so it's probably redundant.

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Stellar Colonies wrote:Each Xero thread about donations makes me that much closer to becoming a communist

It's interesting how basically everyone who reads this thread has had that same reaction.

Maybe Xero is secretly an Accelerationist?

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Xerographica
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Xerographica » Sun Nov 07, 2021 6:26 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:Relating to the thread topic, a system of donations will merely streamline the process of the wealthy twisting everything in their favor, even if it requires one person per push - they'll just pay to win.

A = rich people currently commit the majority of the crimes
B = rich people would commit the majority of the crimes if they could literally pay for them

Are you assuming A or B or other?

Also, are you under the impression that the government would waste the donations on stupid things?
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Heloin
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Ex-Nation

Postby Heloin » Sun Nov 07, 2021 6:44 pm

Xerographica wrote:Also, are you under the impression that the government would waste the donations on stupid things?

HAHA!

Oh wait, you’re serious. Let me laugh even harder.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Neanderthaland
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Ex-Nation

Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:10 pm

Xerographica wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:Relating to the thread topic, a system of donations will merely streamline the process of the wealthy twisting everything in their favor, even if it requires one person per push - they'll just pay to win.

A = rich people currently commit the majority of the crimes
B = rich people would commit the majority of the crimes if they could literally pay for them

Are you assuming A or B or other?

Also, are you under the impression that the government would waste the donations on stupid things?

By far the most common form of theft in America is wage theft. In fact, it's double all other forms of theft combined.

So "A" is not as unrealistic as you're presuming.
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Stellar Colonies
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Stellar Colonies » Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:21 pm

Xerographica wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:Relating to the thread topic, a system of donations will merely streamline the process of the wealthy twisting everything in their favor, even if it requires one person per push - they'll just pay to win.

A = rich people currently commit the majority of the crimes
B = rich people would commit the majority of the crimes if they could literally pay for them

Are you assuming A or B or other?

Rich people have money

Money is power

Bad rich people have lots of money and lots of power to do bad things regardless if they're the majority

Xerographica wrote:Also, are you under the impression that the government would waste the donations on stupid things?

well
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If you want a mental image of me: straight(?) white male diagnosed with ASD.

I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.

Might be slowly going red over time.
Stellar Colonies is a loose confederacy comprised from most of the human-settled parts of the galaxy.

Ida Station is the only Confederate member state permitted to join the WA.

Add 1200 years for the date I use.

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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Page » Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:38 am

Xerographica wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:Relating to the thread topic, a system of donations will merely streamline the process of the wealthy twisting everything in their favor, even if it requires one person per push - they'll just pay to win.

A = rich people currently commit the majority of the crimes
B = rich people would commit the majority of the crimes if they could literally pay for them

Are you assuming A or B or other?

Also, are you under the impression that the government would waste the donations on stupid things?


Are you limiting "stupid things" to the bridge to nowhere variety or does the white phosphorus our military uses on brown kids also count as a stupid thing?
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Neutraligon
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Neutraligon » Mon Nov 08, 2021 8:00 am

Page wrote:
Xerographica wrote:A = rich people currently commit the majority of the crimes
B = rich people would commit the majority of the crimes if they could literally pay for them

Are you assuming A or B or other?

Also, are you under the impression that the government would waste the donations on stupid things?


Are you limiting "stupid things" to the bridge to nowhere variety or does the white phosphorus our military uses on brown kids also count as a stupid thing?

NO need to go that far, look at money spent on things like solar roadways.
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Galloism
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Galloism » Mon Nov 08, 2021 8:04 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Page wrote:
Are you limiting "stupid things" to the bridge to nowhere variety or does the white phosphorus our military uses on brown kids also count as a stupid thing?

NO need to go that far, look at money spent on things like solar roadways.

Tbh that's one of those things that sounded great in theory but cars and trucks are heavy and they fuck up the panels.
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Neutraligon
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Neutraligon » Mon Nov 08, 2021 8:08 am

Galloism wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:NO need to go that far, look at money spent on things like solar roadways.

Tbh that's one of those things that sounded great in theory but cars and trucks are heavy and they fuck up the panels.

Among other issues. Sorry there is a reason asphalt is used rather than individual tiles, and it has to do with structural issues. Considering we went from brick and cobblestone roads we should be well aware of the issue. These are simple things that engineers should have easily been able to say this will not work as stated. Similar to the hyperloop or other such suggestions. Then we can look at how we are unwilling to spend less money to do healthcare by having a universal option and well...yeah the government is very willing to do stupid things.
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Xerographica
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Xerographica » Mon Nov 08, 2021 8:31 am

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Xerographica wrote:A = rich people currently commit the majority of the crimes
B = rich people would commit the majority of the crimes if they could literally pay for them

Are you assuming A or B or other?

Rich people have money

Money is power

Bad rich people have lots of money and lots of power to do bad things regardless if they're the majority

Rich people are all in cahoots? Rich conservatives and rich liberals love each other? Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow are bffs? Rich people never stab each other in the back? Rich people are only going to use their power/money to screw poor people?
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FNU
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Founded: Jan 21, 2020
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby FNU » Mon Nov 08, 2021 8:35 am

[quote="Xerographica";p="39124682]Rich people are all in cahoots? Rich conservatives and rich liberals love each other? Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow are bffs? Rich people never stab each other in the back? Rich people are only going to use their power/money to screw poor people?[/quote]
I'm not rich, but by all standards, they'll team up for one thing, and that's the preservation of their wealth.
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Heloin
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Ex-Nation

Postby Heloin » Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:02 am

Xerographica wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:Rich people have money

Money is power

Bad rich people have lots of money and lots of power to do bad things regardless if they're the majority

Rich people are all in cahoots? Rich conservatives and rich liberals love each other? Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow are bffs? Rich people never stab each other in the back? Rich people are only going to use their power/money to screw poor people?

As a over simplistic view of the world it makes more sense then your idea of benevolent wealth.

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Nlarhyalo
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Nlarhyalo » Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:40 am

Xerographica wrote:Let’s tweak the scenario one more time by turning the buttons into donation buttons.

There it is!
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Ex-Nation

Postby Forensic Reality » Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:05 am

Justice in its simplest form is a balanced equation.
There is, however, an array of circumstances where we just cannot do the math.
The eye for an eye standard does not make anyone whole. We either forgive, or dig two graves.
Unfortunately, where we can actually equalize by a legal standard, we often punt, and fall back on vengeance.
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Herador » Mon Nov 08, 2021 1:05 pm

Xerographica wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:Rich people have money

Money is power

Bad rich people have lots of money and lots of power to do bad things regardless if they're the majority

Rich people are all in cahoots? Rich conservatives and rich liberals love each other? Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow are bffs? Rich people never stab each other in the back? Rich people are only going to use their power/money to screw poor people?

In a thread devoted to your just god-awful takes, this might be the worst.
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