Justice

[Neanderthaland]

Well that's actually useful. Because that introduces what is probably the greatest injustice in your system.

Let's suppose that Michael's father's name is "Bezos." It now no longer matters how obviously guilty Michael is, or how many people try to pay to convict him. Michael is getting away scot free.

Ok, Jeff Bezos is Michael's father. How much would they both be willing to pay in order to prevent Michael from being electrocuted? If the amount of money you guess is too small, then I'm going to say that clearly society doesn't strongly perceive that Michael should be electrocuted. If the amount of money you guess is very large, then, assuming the government spends it on medical care, for example, then how many lives would be saved?

"I'd rather have Michael electrocuted than have _____ lives saved."

Please fill in the blank.

So that's literally just bribery with extra steps.

[Heloin]

Well that's actually useful. Because that introduces what is probably the greatest injustice in your system.

Let's suppose that Michael's father's name is "Bezos." It now no longer matters how obviously guilty Michael is, or how many people try to pay to convict him. Michael is getting away scot free.

Ok, Jeff Bezos is Michael's father. How much would they both be willing to pay in order to prevent Michael from being electrocuted? If the amount of money you guess is too small, then I'm going to say that clearly society doesn't strongly perceive that Michael should be electrocuted. If the amount of money you guess is very large, then, assuming the government spends it on medical care, for example, then how many lives would be saved?

"I'd rather have Michael electrocuted than have _____ lives saved."

Please fill in the blank.

I throw Jeff Bezos in prison.

[Herador]

Ok, Jeff Bezos is Michael's father. How much would they both be willing to pay in order to prevent Michael from being electrocuted? If the amount of money you guess is too small, then I'm going to say that clearly society doesn't strongly perceive that Michael should be electrocuted. If the amount of money you guess is very large, then, assuming the government spends it on medical care, for example, then how many lives would be saved?

"I'd rather have Michael electrocuted than have _____ lives saved."

Please fill in the blank.

So that's literally just bribery with extra steps.

Yes, that is every single one of these threads.

[Sungoldy-China]

Blood for blood, life for life
This is the justice

[Neanderthaland]

So that's literally just bribery with extra steps.

Yes, that is every single one of these threads.

Fair point. Still to have it explicitly stated that rich people should simply be above justice is... well, truth be told, I don't know a suitably strong term to condemn it.

But if someone were to argue that "release this murderer, and I will fund all kinds of public works for you." The correct answer would be to have them both imprisoned, and all of their assets seized.

[Xerographica]

Yes, that is every single one of these threads.

Fair point. Still to have it explicitly stated that rich people should simply be above justice is... well, truth be told, I don't know a suitably strong term to condemn it.

But if someone were to argue that "release this murderer, and I will fund all kinds of public works for you." The correct answer would be to have them both imprisoned, and all of their assets seized.

You're stranded on an island with a dozen people, including a doctor and his wife. He discovers that his wife is sleeping with another man, who he kills in a fit of passion. The doctor admits that he committed the crime. Would it be justice to kill or incarcerate the only doctor on the island?

Does justice mean society has to shoot itself in the foot? No, that is absurd. Incarceration and/or execution really aren't the only ways for people to pay for their crimes. Obviously they can literally pay for their crimes. The threshold can be, and should be, determined by society itself, via donations to the government.

[Heloin]

Fair point. Still to have it explicitly stated that rich people should simply be above justice is... well, truth be told, I don't know a suitably strong term to condemn it.

But if someone were to argue that "release this murderer, and I will fund all kinds of public works for you." The correct answer would be to have them both imprisoned, and all of their assets seized.

You're stranded on an island with a dozen people, including a doctor and his wife. He discovers that his wife is sleeping with another man, who he kills in a fit of passion. The doctor admits that he committed the crime. Would it be justice to kill or incarcerate the only doctor on the island?

Money is a fiction we use to trade goods and services. A doctor is a real person with real skills.

Does justice mean society has to shoot itself in the foot? No, that is absurd. Incarceration and/or execution really aren't the only ways for people to pay for their crimes. Obviously they can literally pay for their crimes. The threshold can be, and should be, determined by society itself, via donations to the government.

I read that and became a Maoist.

[Neu California]

Fair point. Still to have it explicitly stated that rich people should simply be above justice is... well, truth be told, I don't know a suitably strong term to condemn it.

But if someone were to argue that "release this murderer, and I will fund all kinds of public works for you." The correct answer would be to have them both imprisoned, and all of their assets seized.

You're stranded on an island with a dozen people, including a doctor and his wife. He discovers that his wife is sleeping with another man, who he kills in a fit of passion. The doctor admits that he committed the crime. Would it be justice to kill or incarcerate the only doctor on the island?

Does justice mean society has to shoot itself in the foot? No, that is absurd. Incarceration and/or execution really aren't the only ways for people to pay for their crimes. Obviously they can literally pay for their crimes. The threshold can be, and should be, determined by society itself, via donations to the government.

An alternative would be they lock up the doctor and only let him out when they need him before sticking him back in his cage.

And our societies (outside of tiny, remote villages) aren't so short staffed in any area that executing or incarcerating even 100 murderers would be a major setback regardless of their profession. If your idea only makes sense scaling down to the level of only a dozen people, then it's not really a solid idea for a country of 330 million (US)

[Xerographica]

You're stranded on an island with a dozen people, including a doctor and his wife. He discovers that his wife is sleeping with another man, who he kills in a fit of passion. The doctor admits that he committed the crime. Would it be justice to kill or incarcerate the only doctor on the island?

Does justice mean society has to shoot itself in the foot? No, that is absurd. Incarceration and/or execution really aren't the only ways for people to pay for their crimes. Obviously they can literally pay for their crimes. The threshold can be, and should be, determined by society itself, via donations to the government.

An alternative would be they lock up the doctor and only let him out when they need him before sticking him back in his cage.

And our societies (outside of tiny, remote villages) aren't so short staffed in any area that executing or incarcerating even 100 murderers would be a major setback regardless of their profession. If your idea only makes sense scaling down to the level of only a dozen people, then it's not really a solid idea for a country of 330 million (US)

You're missing the point. Justice doesn't mean society has to shoot itself in the foot. If society electrocutes Michael, rather than accepting a $50 million payment for his crime, then this is the equivalent of society shooting itself in the foot.

[Heloin]

An alternative would be they lock up the doctor and only let him out when they need him before sticking him back in his cage.

And our societies (outside of tiny, remote villages) aren't so short staffed in any area that executing or incarcerating even 100 murderers would be a major setback regardless of their profession. If your idea only makes sense scaling down to the level of only a dozen people, then it's not really a solid idea for a country of 330 million (US)

You're missing the point. Justice doesn't mean society has to shoot itself in the foot. If society electrocutes Michael, rather than accepting a $50 million payment for his crime, then this is the equivalent of society shooting itself in the foot.

Execute Mikey boy and his rich daddy.

[The Holy Therns]

An alternative would be they lock up the doctor and only let him out when they need him before sticking him back in his cage.

And our societies (outside of tiny, remote villages) aren't so short staffed in any area that executing or incarcerating even 100 murderers would be a major setback regardless of their profession. If your idea only makes sense scaling down to the level of only a dozen people, then it's not really a solid idea for a country of 330 million (US)

You're missing the point. Justice doesn't mean society has to shoot itself in the foot. If society electrocutes Michael, rather than accepting a $50 million payment for his crime, then this is the equivalent of society shooting itself in the foot.

No, the rich should not get to buy their way out of prison or other sentences.

[Kannap]

Fair point. Still to have it explicitly stated that rich people should simply be above justice is... well, truth be told, I don't know a suitably strong term to condemn it.

But if someone were to argue that "release this murderer, and I will fund all kinds of public works for you." The correct answer would be to have them both imprisoned, and all of their assets seized.

You're stranded on an island with a dozen people, including a doctor and his wife. He discovers that his wife is sleeping with another man, who he kills in a fit of passion. The doctor admits that he committed the crime. Would it be justice to kill or incarcerate the only doctor on the island?

Does justice mean society has to shoot itself in the foot? No, that is absurd. Incarceration and/or execution really aren't the only ways for people to pay for their crimes. Obviously they can literally pay for their crimes. The threshold can be, and should be, determined by society itself, via donations to the government.

You do understand that a stranded island with a dozen people on it is different from a society where millions of people live, right?

[Kannap]

An alternative would be they lock up the doctor and only let him out when they need him before sticking him back in his cage.

And our societies (outside of tiny, remote villages) aren't so short staffed in any area that executing or incarcerating even 100 murderers would be a major setback regardless of their profession. If your idea only makes sense scaling down to the level of only a dozen people, then it's not really a solid idea for a country of 330 million (US)

You're missing the point. Justice doesn't mean society has to shoot itself in the foot. If society electrocutes Michael, rather than accepting a $50 million payment for his crime, then this is the equivalent of society shooting itself in the foot.

Better solution: Tax the rich.

Michael, who's of no importance other than you thinking he's important because his dad is filthy wealthy, can still face punishment for his crime while society still gets the money it needs to function. It's about time those filthy rich fuckers pay their taxes anyway.

[Heloin]

I like that you invented a license to hunt humans just with extra steps.

[Galloism]

I like that you invented a license to hunt humans just with extra steps.

Punishable by a fine means legal for a price.

[Ethel mermania]

A justice system isn't really based on a mob rule or who has the largest gofundme.

How the notion that buying a verdict from a national audience is fairer than a verdict resulted in by a deliberative due process is absolutely beyond me.

[Ifreann]

If the argument is now shifting to the claim that society would benefit from the revenues generated by allowing the rich to buy court decisions, then why don't we just cut out the middleman and seize their wealth? Apparently Jeff Bezos' money could be directly converted into lives saved by public investment into healthcare. Great, let's just take his money then. Why bother with this silly game of arresting his children and sentencing them to death by app?

[Ethel mermania]

If the argument is now shifting to the claim that society would benefit from the revenues generated by allowing the rich to buy court decisions, then why don't we just cut out the middleman and seize their wealth? Apparently Jeff Bezos' money could be directly converted into lives saved by public investment into healthcare. Great, let's just take his money then. Why bother with this silly game of arresting his children and sentencing them to death by app?

Advertising revenue, while the revolution may be televised. There is no way to buy ads. On " how much do you love your kid"? We can have a regularly scheduled program, with a 22 minute format

[Neanderthaland]

Fair point. Still to have it explicitly stated that rich people should simply be above justice is... well, truth be told, I don't know a suitably strong term to condemn it.

But if someone were to argue that "release this murderer, and I will fund all kinds of public works for you." The correct answer would be to have them both imprisoned, and all of their assets seized.

You're stranded on an island with a dozen people, including a doctor and his wife. He discovers that his wife is sleeping with another man, who he kills in a fit of passion. The doctor admits that he committed the crime. Would it be justice to kill or incarcerate the only doctor on the island?

It would be justice to incarcerate the only doctor. Doesn't prevent him from performing his duties either. Honestly, I don't know why you think this is even in question?

Does justice mean society has to shoot itself in the foot? No, that is absurd. Incarceration and/or execution really aren't the only ways for people to pay for their crimes. Obviously they can literally pay for their crimes. The threshold can be, and should be, determined by society itself, via donations to the government.

Our doctor can continue to contribute to society from inside their prison cell.

Justice means that the rules are the same for everyone.

[Neutraligon]

You're stranded on an island with a dozen people, including a doctor and his wife. He discovers that his wife is sleeping with another man, who he kills in a fit of passion. The doctor admits that he committed the crime. Would it be justice to kill or incarcerate the only doctor on the island?

It would be justice to incarcerate the only doctor. Doesn't prevent him from performing his duties either. Honestly, I don't know why you think this is even in question?

Does justice mean society has to shoot itself in the foot? No, that is absurd. Incarceration and/or execution really aren't the only ways for people to pay for their crimes. Obviously they can literally pay for their crimes. The threshold can be, and should be, determined by society itself, via donations to the government.

Our doctor can continue to contribute to society from inside their prison cell.

Justice means that the rules are the same for everyone.

They are... the rich have the same rule as the poor in xero's system. Blinks eye's innocently.

[Neanderthaland]

It would be justice to incarcerate the only doctor. Doesn't prevent him from performing his duties either. Honestly, I don't know why you think this is even in question?


Our doctor can continue to contribute to society from inside their prison cell.

Justice means that the rules are the same for everyone.

They are... the rich have the same rule as the poor in xero's system. Blinks eye's innocently.

Sure thing Wayne.

[Neutraligon]

They are... the rich have the same rule as the poor in xero's system. Blinks eye's innocently.

Sure thing Wayne.

Dejure they are treated the same. It is just like the law that makes sleeping under a bridge illegal. Everyone is treated the same legally...it is just that the homeless (or in this case the rich/poor) end up being affected more.

[Neanderthaland]

Sure thing Wayne.

Dejure they are treated the same. It is just like the law that makes sleeping under a bridge illegal. Everyone is treated the same legally...it is just that the homeless (or in this case the rich/poor) end up being affected more.

I was remarking that someone born into fantastic wealth that can afford his own butler, mansion, billion dollar weapons systems, and so on might have a hard time recognizing systemic injustice.

[Stellar Colonies]

Each Xero thread about donations makes me that much closer to becoming a communist

[Neanderthaland]

Each Xero thread about donations makes me that much closer to becoming a communist

It's interesting how basically everyone who reads this thread has had that same reaction.

Maybe Xero is secretly an Accelerationist?