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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:07 pm

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My question is why do we need to supply them with weapons to balance the energy crisis.

They control like 11% of global oil production. If you add in the rest of OPEC, it goes up to a bit under 40%.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/04/opec-agrees-to-stick-to-oil-production-plan-defying-us-pressure.html

Right now they seem like they're looking after their own interests first.


Couldn’t we force them to fix the prices?

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:09 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Antipatros wrote:They control like 11% of global oil production. If you add in the rest of OPEC, it goes up to a bit under 40%.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/04/opec-agrees-to-stick-to-oil-production-plan-defying-us-pressure.html

Right now they seem like they're looking after their own interests first.

Couldn’t we force them to fix the prices?

With what leverage?
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Postby Antipatros » Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:10 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Antipatros wrote:They control like 11% of global oil production. If you add in the rest of OPEC, it goes up to a bit under 40%.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/04/opec-agrees-to-stick-to-oil-production-plan-defying-us-pressure.html

Right now they seem like they're looking after their own interests first.


Couldn’t we force them to fix the prices?

We could put some extreme pressure on them. Trump piled on some serious pressure after he imposed sanctions on Iran, and then did it again when the Saudis and Russians couldn't agree to production cuts in the early days of the pandemic.

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Postby Deblar » Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:11 pm

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The Jamesian Republic wrote:Couldn’t we force them to fix the prices?

With what leverage?

A threatened dose of F R E E D O M. /s

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Postby Antipatros » Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:13 pm

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Couldn’t we force them to fix the prices?

We could put some extreme pressure on them. Trump piled on some serious pressure after he imposed sanctions on Iran, and then did it again when the Saudis and Russians couldn't agree to production cuts in the early days of the pandemic.

And then when it came to carrots, he sold them billions of dollars worth of advanced weaponry, and didn't make a huge deal out of Khashoggi getting murdered.

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Postby Senkaku » Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:15 pm

Antipatros wrote:
Antipatros wrote:We could put some extreme pressure on them. Trump piled on some serious pressure after he imposed sanctions on Iran, and then did it again when the Saudis and Russians couldn't agree to production cuts in the early days of the pandemic.

And then when it came to carrots, he sold them billions of dollars worth of advanced weaponry, and didn't make a huge deal out of Khashoggi getting murdered.

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Postby Antipatros » Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:17 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Antipatros wrote:And then when it came to carrots, he sold them billions of dollars worth of advanced weaponry, and didn't make a huge deal out of Khashoggi getting murdered.

the edit button is right there

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Postby Great Algerstonia » Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:23 pm

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Antipatros wrote:And then when it came to carrots, he sold them billions of dollars worth of advanced weaponry, and didn't make a huge deal out of Khashoggi getting murdered.

the edit button is right there

Where is it?

Edit: Found it
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:32 pm

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No one pays more than they have to for something unless the product is better than a cheaper option. If most people can fill the jobs Amazon has available, is it truly worth a higher wage? If not, then cheaper wages will win out if the market will bear it.


Not true. People buy brand name breakfast cereal, for example.

To be fair, Sai did say that people would buy a more expensive product if it's better than the cheaper option, and lots of off-brand breakfast cereal is definitely an inferior product.
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Postby Lady Victory » Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:37 pm

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Not true. People buy brand name breakfast cereal, for example.

To be fair, Sai did say that people would buy a more expensive product if it's better than the cheaper option, and lots of off-brand breakfast cereal is definitely an inferior product.


Off-brand anything is almost always worse than name brand.

Source: am poor, have had both, I'd rather spend more on name brand.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:39 pm

Deblar wrote:
Genivaria wrote:With what leverage?

A threatened dose of F R E E D O M. /s


Yes, or threaten to have the Crown Prince arrested for killing Jamal Khashoggi.

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Postby Soviet Socialist Kazakhstan » Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:46 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Deblar wrote:A threatened dose of F R E E D O M. /s


Yes, or threaten to have the Crown Prince arrested for killing Jamal Khashoggi.


The Crown Prince should be killed, but not for that. He should be killed because pretty much all royals are parasites leeching off the proletariat. The Bolsheviks were right to kill the whole Romanov family.
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Postby Shrillland » Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:55 pm

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Kowani wrote:i am once again asking everyone blaming the democrats or republicans for the result of off-year elections as an out party to expand your vision a bit more


Didn't McAulliffe's win in 2013 buck the trend of the Presidential Party losing the Governor's mansion the following year?

Personally, Youngkin's win follows the trend. Normally, the President's party loses the Governor's mansion.

Also, McAulliffe, and Joe Biden, have tried to skate by on the excuse that they're not as bad as Donald Trump.

Being better than The Donald is not any sort of standard by which we should hold our leaders. While a C- is better than an F, most of us would prefer an A.


One of those "Exception that proves the rule" situations. McAuliffe only won because of a strong siphoning Libertarian candidate, he would've lost in a TPP situation.
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Postby New Tryphalia » Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:03 pm

McAuliffe's rise was nothing but the triumph of mediocrity. He is mediocre in the extreme. He has all of the personality and substance of a corpse.
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Postby Giovenith » Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:04 pm

Soviet Socialist Kazakhstan wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Yes, or threaten to have the Crown Prince arrested for killing Jamal Khashoggi.


The Crown Prince should be killed, but not for that. He should be killed because pretty much all royals are parasites leeching off the proletariat. The Bolsheviks were right to kill the whole Romanov family.


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Postby Soviet Socialist Kazakhstan » Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:07 pm

Giovenith wrote:
Soviet Socialist Kazakhstan wrote:
The Crown Prince should be killed, but not for that. He should be killed because pretty much all royals are parasites leeching off the proletariat. The Bolsheviks were right to kill the whole Romanov family.


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Geez, I was speaking in vague, philosophical terms, but okay, duly noted. No advocacy of death. We should all live forever. All of us. Even royals. You might want to write a complaint to the Cosmos about that one if you feel that way. Of course, we'll all run out of natural resources eventually, but that's the sort of practical consideration that your sentimental ilk never wants to accept.

Noteworthy that a far more specific remark to that effect didn't attract a warning, but mine did. Gee, I wonder why. Favoritism much?

Also, if you're that concerned with feelings and death, you might not want to watch any comedians. That George Carlin guy might really upset you, especially for having the gall to be dead.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:29 pm

This looks to be the final SALT plan...?
raising the cap to $80k for nine years
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Postby New Tryphalia » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:16 pm

Kowani wrote:This looks to be the final SALT plan...?
raising the cap to $80k for nine years


What they really need to do is abolish the states entirely, replace them with far less autonomous provinces, districts, and regions, and impose a national VAT as well as sumptuary taxes meant to be impossible for the rich corporate welfare cases to escape. And replace the democratic system with a military junta. Yeah, constitutionalists in America would hate me on several issues, progressives on certain other ones.
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Postby Eahland » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:17 pm

Kowani wrote:This looks to be the final SALT plan...?
raising the cap to $80k for nine years

It always takes me a second to figure out that that acronym doesn't mean "Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty".
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:34 pm

Shrillland wrote:
The Andorian System wrote:
Didn't McAulliffe's win in 2013 buck the trend of the Presidential Party losing the Governor's mansion the following year?

Personally, Youngkin's win follows the trend. Normally, the President's party loses the Governor's mansion.

Also, McAulliffe, and Joe Biden, have tried to skate by on the excuse that they're not as bad as Donald Trump.

Being better than The Donald is not any sort of standard by which we should hold our leaders. While a C- is better than an F, most of us would prefer an A.


One of those "Exception that proves the rule" situations. McAuliffe only won because of a strong siphoning Libertarian candidate, he would've lost in a TPP situation.


I wonder if Northam would have won if he could have run for re-election.
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Postby Galactic Transylvania » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:36 pm

New Tryphalia wrote:
Kowani wrote:This looks to be the final SALT plan...?
raising the cap to $80k for nine years


What they really need to do is abolish the states entirely, replace them with far less autonomous provinces, districts, and regions, and impose a national VAT as well as sumptuary taxes meant to be impossible for the rich corporate welfare cases to escape. And replace the democratic system with a military junta. Yeah, constitutionalists in America would hate me on several issues, progressives on certain other ones.


That's an objectively horrible idea unless you want to kill a whole lot of people for minimal benefit.
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Postby New Tryphalia » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
One of those "Exception that proves the rule" situations. McAuliffe only won because of a strong siphoning Libertarian candidate, he would've lost in a TPP situation.


I wonder if Northam would have won if he could have run for re-election.


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Postby Kowani » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:56 pm

New Tryphalia wrote:
Kowani wrote:This looks to be the final SALT plan...?
raising the cap to $80k for nine years


What they really need to do is abolish the states entirely, replace them with far less autonomous provinces, districts, and regions, and impose a national VAT as well as sumptuary taxes meant to be impossible for the rich corporate welfare cases to escape. And replace the democratic system with a military junta. Yeah, constitutionalists in America would hate me on several issues, progressives on certain other ones.

We don’t hate you, we just think your ideas are dumb and have no chance of being enacted
Kinda sad, really
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Postby New Tryphalia » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:57 pm

Kowani wrote:
New Tryphalia wrote:
What they really need to do is abolish the states entirely, replace them with far less autonomous provinces, districts, and regions, and impose a national VAT as well as sumptuary taxes meant to be impossible for the rich corporate welfare cases to escape. And replace the democratic system with a military junta. Yeah, constitutionalists in America would hate me on several issues, progressives on certain other ones.

We don’t hate you, we just think your ideas are dumb and have no chance of being enacted
Kinda sad, really


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