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Postby HISPIDA » Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:53 pm

Ifreann wrote:On this day, one hundred and sixty two years ago, abolitionist John Brown was hanged by the Commonwealth of Virginia on the charge of treason. On that morning he gave his jailer these last words by which to be remembered:

I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood. I had, as I now think, vainly flattered myself that without very much bloodshed it might be done.


His soul is marching on.

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Postby Diahon » Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:56 pm

Ifreann wrote:On this day, one hundred and sixty two years ago, abolitionist John Brown was hanged by the Commonwealth of Virginia on the charge of treason. On that morning he gave his jailer these last words by which to be remembered:

I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood. I had, as I now think, vainly flattered myself that without very much bloodshed it might be done.


His soul is marching on.

and as it turned out, he was quite the optimist, even at his most cynical

for as it turned out, not enough blood was shed, the bigots carried the day and keep on trying to carry the day to this day
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:57 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
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Considering you use sites like OANN; I wouldn’t be questioning bias.

You are also aggrandizing the claims. Nobody on the left thinks there is no bias. They know which sites biased on the lefty side. You won’t find anybody here suggesting MSNBC is unbiased (well there might be a couple).

I’ll make it simple for you.

If all you read are conspiracy peddling outlets and conservative outlets, you are biased and well partisan.


The American right-wing thinks that any news source that doesn’t confirm their bias has a “leftist bias”. The smarter ones pull the old “There is no such thing as unbiased journalism”. I would give anyone $5 to prove to me that Reuters or the AP has a left-wing bias.

I'd give $5 to someone who doesn't use a shit metric for measuring bias or actually understood how bias works beyond the 'no u' paradigm.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:57 pm

Diahon wrote:
Ifreann wrote:On this day, one hundred and sixty two years ago, abolitionist John Brown was hanged by the Commonwealth of Virginia on the charge of treason. On that morning he gave his jailer these last words by which to be remembered:

I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood. I had, as I now think, vainly flattered myself that without very much bloodshed it might be done.


His soul is marching on.

and as it turned out, he was quite the optimist, even at his most cynical


We need more optimism in this world.
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Postby American Legionaries » Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:58 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Diahon wrote:and as it turned out, he was quite the optimist, even at his most cynical


We need more optimism in this world.


I have little optimism towards your statement.

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Postby Diahon » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:00 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Diahon wrote:and as it turned out, he was quite the optimist, even at his most cynical


We need more optimism in this world.

i mean that completely negatively

not even two decades after he passed, reconstruction ended

almost four decades in, the first full manifestation of jim crow began to assert itself in the american consciousness

nearly a century hence, brown glumly and sometimes wrongheadedly asserting that the post-civil war amendments must be enforced

a decade after that, the assassinations of so, so many leaders of the civil rights era, and the lonely death of a self-exiled du bois in ghana

fast forward a few more decades, this bullshit
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:04 pm

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The Jamesian Republic wrote:
We need more optimism in this world.


I have little optimism towards your statement.


“Optimism is essential to achievement and it is also the foundation of courage and true progress.”

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Postby Kowani » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:06 pm

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Kowani wrote:Passes (221-212)

R!Yes
Kinzinger


Yes! So what’s next?

it goes to the senate
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Postby Diahon » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:09 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Kowani wrote:Passes (221-212)

R!Yes
Kinzinger


RIP

212 is 212 too many committed to the bit of "give me chaos or i'll give you chaos!"

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:09 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Yes! So what’s next?

it goes to the senate


How many people might oppose it and create a shutdown?
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Postby American Legionaries » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:11 pm

Diahon wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
RIP

212 is 212 too many committed to the bit of "give me chaos or i'll give you chaos!"


On the contrary, 221 is 221 too many commited to the continued operation of a government undeserving of authority.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:14 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
The American right-wing thinks that any news source that doesn’t confirm their bias has a “leftist bias”. The smarter ones pull the old “There is no such thing as unbiased journalism”. I would give anyone $5 to prove to me that Reuters or the AP has a left-wing bias.

I'd give $5 to someone who doesn't use a shit metric for measuring bias or actually understood how bias works beyond the 'no u' paradigm.


How about this chart that I found and shared earlier:
https://www.allsides.com/sites/default/ ... ion5_0.jpg
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Postby Lady Victory » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:14 pm

433 is 433 too many committed to the continuation of a vile and broken system designed to exploit and manipulate the American people.
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Postby Lady Victory » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:15 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
I have little optimism towards your statement.


“Optimism is essential to achievement and it is also the foundation of courage and true progress.”

Nicholas M. Butler, First President of Columbia University


Optimism is the opium of the naive.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:16 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Kowani wrote:it goes to the senate


How many people might oppose it and create a shutdown?


I think it’s going to be all of the Republicans. Manchin and Sinema might also oppose it because, who knows?
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:17 pm

You know some people say the means of the production should belong to the workers. I say the means of government should be owned by the people.
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Postby Lady Victory » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:18 pm

Ifreann wrote:On this day, one hundred and sixty two years ago, abolitionist John Brown was hanged by the Commonwealth of Virginia on the charge of treason. On that morning he gave his jailer these last words by which to be remembered:

I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood. I had, as I now think, vainly flattered myself that without very much bloodshed it might be done.


His soul is marching on.


To die in effort to free the enslaved is a noble and worthy death. John Brown is a proper American Hero and deserves our never-ending praise for his efforts, in vain as they might have been.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:18 pm

Lady Victory wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
“Optimism is essential to achievement and it is also the foundation of courage and true progress.”

Nicholas M. Butler, First President of Columbia University


Optimism is the opium of the naive.


Cynicism is the opium of the disillusioned.
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Postby HISPIDA » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:19 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Diahon wrote:212 is 212 too many committed to the bit of "give me chaos or i'll give you chaos!"


On the contrary, 221 is 221 too many commited to the continued operation of a government undeserving of authority.

what exactly makes the current govt "undeserving of authority" (minus the fact that they're a neoliberal imperalist regime that cares naught for the individual and everything for the dollar value)
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Postby Lady Victory » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:19 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:You know some people say the means of the production should belong to the workers. I say the means of government should be owned by the people.


Why not both? 8)
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Postby Lady Victory » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:20 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
Optimism is the opium of the naive.


Cynicism is the opium of the disillusioned.


I agree.

Which is why I prescribe to neither.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:21 pm

Lady Victory wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:You know some people say the means of the production should belong to the workers. I say the means of government should be owned by the people.


Why not both? 8)


Sure. :lol2:
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:22 pm

Lady Victory wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Cynicism is the opium of the disillusioned.


I agree.

Which is why I prescribe to neither.


I prescribe to never giving up and fighting for what is right.
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Postby Deblar » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:24 pm

Lady Victory wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:You know some people say the means of the production should belong to the workers. I say the means of government should be owned by the people.


Why not both? 8)

Kinda based, ngl

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