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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:55 am

Kowani wrote:[url= https://www.floridasupremecourt.org/con ... 19-716.pdf, Florida Supreme Court holds that criminal defendants who exercise their right against self-incrimination by refusing to admit guilt may be punished with higher sentences due to "lack of remorse” (5-2)[/url]

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I for one welcome this blatant act of judicial tyranny, makes who's who in the scums of the earth list easier.
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:11 am

Kowani wrote:[url= https://www.floridasupremecourt.org/con ... 19-716.pdf, Florida Supreme Court holds that criminal defendants who exercise their right against self-incrimination by refusing to admit guilt may be punished with higher sentences due to "lack of remorse” (5-2)[/url]


Isn't that blatantly unconstitutional?
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Postby Skelly Man Dan » Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:23 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Kowani wrote:[url= https://www.floridasupremecourt.org/con ... 19-716.pdf, Florida Supreme Court holds that criminal defendants who exercise their right against self-incrimination by refusing to admit guilt may be punished with higher sentences due to "lack of remorse” (5-2)[/url]


Isn't that blatantly unconstitutional?


Yep. I can’t look up the exact wording of the fifth amendment atm, but I believe it was in part inspired by a practice in English courts that forced defendants to either self-incriminate or be held in contempt of court. So congrats, they even violated the spirit of the law too.

Then again, people using the Constitution to complain about what others are doing while using it as toilet paper the second it’s inconvenient for them stopped being a shock a while ago.
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Postby American Legionaries » Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:27 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Kowani wrote:[url= https://www.floridasupremecourt.org/con ... 19-716.pdf, Florida Supreme Court holds that criminal defendants who exercise their right against self-incrimination by refusing to admit guilt may be punished with higher sentences due to "lack of remorse” (5-2)[/url]


Isn't that blatantly unconstitutional?


You'll need to ask a court.

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Salus Maior wrote:
Kowani wrote:[url= https://www.floridasupremecourt.org/con ... 19-716.pdf, Florida Supreme Court holds that criminal defendants who exercise their right against self-incrimination by refusing to admit guilt may be punished with higher sentences due to "lack of remorse” (5-2)[/url]


Isn't that blatantly unconstitutional?

Looks like Thomas Binger has a lovely career ahead in Florida.
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Salus Maior wrote:
Kowani wrote:[url= https://www.floridasupremecourt.org/con ... 19-716.pdf, Florida Supreme Court holds that criminal defendants who exercise their right against self-incrimination by refusing to admit guilt may be punished with higher sentences due to "lack of remorse” (5-2)


Isn't that blatantly unconstitutional?

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Postby Kowani » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:13 am

Biden administration reaches deal with Mexican government to restart the Trump-era “Remain in Mexico” program


The Biden administration has reached a deal with the Mexican government to restart the Trump-era “Remain in Mexico” program that requires asylum seekers to wait outside U.S. territory while their claims are processed, U.S. officials told reporters Thursday morning. Implementation of the program, formerly known as the Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP), will begin Monday at one border location and quickly expand to San Diego and in the Texas cities of Brownsville, Laredo and El Paso, said the administration officials, who briefed reporters on condition they not be identified. The U.S. officials said they expected Mexican authorities to announce the agreement Thursday. “Mexico has demanded a number of humanitarian improvements as conditions of agreeing to accept enrollees,” said one U.S. official, including guarantees that asylum seekers will have access to legal counsel and their humanitarian claims will be processed within 180 days. “These are improvements we agree with,” the official said.

The Trump administration used the MPP program to return more than 60,000 asylum seekers across the border to Mexico, where they were often preyed upon by criminal gangs, extortionists and kidnappers. President Biden denounced MPP as inhumane and quickly ended it after taking office, but Republican officials in Texas and Missouri sued the administration in federal court and won an injunction in August forcing the government to resurrect the program.

The Biden administration will offer coronavirus vaccines to asylum seekers placed in the MPP program, the officials said. Adults will be offered the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, and eligible minors will be able to receive the two-dose Pfizer regimen. The shots would not be mandatory, and they will be provided to migrants in U.S. Border Patrol stations by an independent contractor, the officials said. The Department of Justice has assigned 22 immigration judges to oversee the MPP restart and ensure claims are processed rapidly to comply with the 180-day timeline, officials said.

Biden officials have spent the past several weeks negotiating the terms of the restart with the Mexican government, which wanted the Biden administration to provide assurances that asylum seekers’ cases would be processed expeditiously. Officials in the United States are planning to initially use the MPP program primarily for single adult asylum seekers, who account for the majority of illegal border crossings, according to one official. Mexico is willing to accept asylum seekers from Spanish-speaking countries, as with the previous version of the program, but migrants from “all western hemisphere nations” will be eligible for return, one administration official said.
[…]
U.S. officials said asylum seekers returned to Mexico would not be housed in border camps and provided shelters away from dangerous border areas. The Mexican government will transport them back to the border for U.S. court hearings and provide security, the officials said.
The role of international organizations such as the United Nations in facilitating transportation and security for the asylum seekers remained unclear, and the U.S. officials did not announce new agreements.
In its statement last week, Mexico’s Foreign Ministry said it now “considers it essential to have additional resources from the United States, destined for shelters and international organizations to improve conditions for migrants and asylum seekers in a substantive way.”
Mexico has not yet publicly committed to accepting Haitians returned under MPP, a major sticking point for the Biden administration given the recent spike in Haitian migrants traveling to the border.
In its statement last week, the Mexican government raised concerns about other groups that it viewed as vulnerable: “unaccompanied minors, pregnant people, people with physical or mental illnesses, the elderly, people from the LGBT + community, unilingual indigenous people.”
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Postby American Legionaries » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:16 am

Kowani wrote:Biden administration reaches deal with Mexican government to restart the Trump-era “Remain in Mexico” program


The Biden administration has reached a deal with the Mexican government to restart the Trump-era “Remain in Mexico” program that requires asylum seekers to wait outside U.S. territory while their claims are processed, U.S. officials told reporters Thursday morning. Implementation of the program, formerly known as the Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP), will begin Monday at one border location and quickly expand to San Diego and in the Texas cities of Brownsville, Laredo and El Paso, said the administration officials, who briefed reporters on condition they not be identified. The U.S. officials said they expected Mexican authorities to announce the agreement Thursday. “Mexico has demanded a number of humanitarian improvements as conditions of agreeing to accept enrollees,” said one U.S. official, including guarantees that asylum seekers will have access to legal counsel and their humanitarian claims will be processed within 180 days. “These are improvements we agree with,” the official said.

The Trump administration used the MPP program to return more than 60,000 asylum seekers across the border to Mexico, where they were often preyed upon by criminal gangs, extortionists and kidnappers. President Biden denounced MPP as inhumane and quickly ended it after taking office, but Republican officials in Texas and Missouri sued the administration in federal court and won an injunction in August forcing the government to resurrect the program.

The Biden administration will offer coronavirus vaccines to asylum seekers placed in the MPP program, the officials said. Adults will be offered the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, and eligible minors will be able to receive the two-dose Pfizer regimen. The shots would not be mandatory, and they will be provided to migrants in U.S. Border Patrol stations by an independent contractor, the officials said. The Department of Justice has assigned 22 immigration judges to oversee the MPP restart and ensure claims are processed rapidly to comply with the 180-day timeline, officials said.

Biden officials have spent the past several weeks negotiating the terms of the restart with the Mexican government, which wanted the Biden administration to provide assurances that asylum seekers’ cases would be processed expeditiously. Officials in the United States are planning to initially use the MPP program primarily for single adult asylum seekers, who account for the majority of illegal border crossings, according to one official. Mexico is willing to accept asylum seekers from Spanish-speaking countries, as with the previous version of the program, but migrants from “all western hemisphere nations” will be eligible for return, one administration official said.
[…]
U.S. officials said asylum seekers returned to Mexico would not be housed in border camps and provided shelters away from dangerous border areas. The Mexican government will transport them back to the border for U.S. court hearings and provide security, the officials said.
The role of international organizations such as the United Nations in facilitating transportation and security for the asylum seekers remained unclear, and the U.S. officials did not announce new agreements.
In its statement last week, Mexico’s Foreign Ministry said it now “considers it essential to have additional resources from the United States, destined for shelters and international organizations to improve conditions for migrants and asylum seekers in a substantive way.”
Mexico has not yet publicly committed to accepting Haitians returned under MPP, a major sticking point for the Biden administration given the recent spike in Haitian migrants traveling to the border.
In its statement last week, the Mexican government raised concerns about other groups that it viewed as vulnerable: “unaccompanied minors, pregnant people, people with physical or mental illnesses, the elderly, people from the LGBT + community, unilingual indigenous people.”


Well ain't that lovely.

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Postby Untecna » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:16 am

Kowani wrote:Biden administration reaches deal with Mexican government to restart the Trump-era “Remain in Mexico” program


The Biden administration has reached a deal with the Mexican government to restart the Trump-era “Remain in Mexico” program that requires asylum seekers to wait outside U.S. territory while their claims are processed, U.S. officials told reporters Thursday morning. Implementation of the program, formerly known as the Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP), will begin Monday at one border location and quickly expand to San Diego and in the Texas cities of Brownsville, Laredo and El Paso, said the administration officials, who briefed reporters on condition they not be identified. The U.S. officials said they expected Mexican authorities to announce the agreement Thursday. “Mexico has demanded a number of humanitarian improvements as conditions of agreeing to accept enrollees,” said one U.S. official, including guarantees that asylum seekers will have access to legal counsel and their humanitarian claims will be processed within 180 days. “These are improvements we agree with,” the official said.

The Trump administration used the MPP program to return more than 60,000 asylum seekers across the border to Mexico, where they were often preyed upon by criminal gangs, extortionists and kidnappers. President Biden denounced MPP as inhumane and quickly ended it after taking office, but Republican officials in Texas and Missouri sued the administration in federal court and won an injunction in August forcing the government to resurrect the program.

The Biden administration will offer coronavirus vaccines to asylum seekers placed in the MPP program, the officials said. Adults will be offered the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, and eligible minors will be able to receive the two-dose Pfizer regimen. The shots would not be mandatory, and they will be provided to migrants in U.S. Border Patrol stations by an independent contractor, the officials said. The Department of Justice has assigned 22 immigration judges to oversee the MPP restart and ensure claims are processed rapidly to comply with the 180-day timeline, officials said.

Biden officials have spent the past several weeks negotiating the terms of the restart with the Mexican government, which wanted the Biden administration to provide assurances that asylum seekers’ cases would be processed expeditiously. Officials in the United States are planning to initially use the MPP program primarily for single adult asylum seekers, who account for the majority of illegal border crossings, according to one official. Mexico is willing to accept asylum seekers from Spanish-speaking countries, as with the previous version of the program, but migrants from “all western hemisphere nations” will be eligible for return, one administration official said.
[…]
U.S. officials said asylum seekers returned to Mexico would not be housed in border camps and provided shelters away from dangerous border areas. The Mexican government will transport them back to the border for U.S. court hearings and provide security, the officials said.
The role of international organizations such as the United Nations in facilitating transportation and security for the asylum seekers remained unclear, and the U.S. officials did not announce new agreements.
In its statement last week, Mexico’s Foreign Ministry said it now “considers it essential to have additional resources from the United States, destined for shelters and international organizations to improve conditions for migrants and asylum seekers in a substantive way.”
Mexico has not yet publicly committed to accepting Haitians returned under MPP, a major sticking point for the Biden administration given the recent spike in Haitian migrants traveling to the border.
In its statement last week, the Mexican government raised concerns about other groups that it viewed as vulnerable: “unaccompanied minors, pregnant people, people with physical or mental illnesses, the elderly, people from the LGBT + community, unilingual indigenous people.”

Can't we just follow in the EU's footsteps and have open borders without any nonsense in between?
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Postby American Legionaries » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:23 am

Untecna wrote:
Kowani wrote:Biden administration reaches deal with Mexican government to restart the Trump-era “Remain in Mexico” program


The Biden administration has reached a deal with the Mexican government to restart the Trump-era “Remain in Mexico” program that requires asylum seekers to wait outside U.S. territory while their claims are processed, U.S. officials told reporters Thursday morning. Implementation of the program, formerly known as the Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP), will begin Monday at one border location and quickly expand to San Diego and in the Texas cities of Brownsville, Laredo and El Paso, said the administration officials, who briefed reporters on condition they not be identified. The U.S. officials said they expected Mexican authorities to announce the agreement Thursday. “Mexico has demanded a number of humanitarian improvements as conditions of agreeing to accept enrollees,” said one U.S. official, including guarantees that asylum seekers will have access to legal counsel and their humanitarian claims will be processed within 180 days. “These are improvements we agree with,” the official said.

The Trump administration used the MPP program to return more than 60,000 asylum seekers across the border to Mexico, where they were often preyed upon by criminal gangs, extortionists and kidnappers. President Biden denounced MPP as inhumane and quickly ended it after taking office, but Republican officials in Texas and Missouri sued the administration in federal court and won an injunction in August forcing the government to resurrect the program.

The Biden administration will offer coronavirus vaccines to asylum seekers placed in the MPP program, the officials said. Adults will be offered the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, and eligible minors will be able to receive the two-dose Pfizer regimen. The shots would not be mandatory, and they will be provided to migrants in U.S. Border Patrol stations by an independent contractor, the officials said. The Department of Justice has assigned 22 immigration judges to oversee the MPP restart and ensure claims are processed rapidly to comply with the 180-day timeline, officials said.

Biden officials have spent the past several weeks negotiating the terms of the restart with the Mexican government, which wanted the Biden administration to provide assurances that asylum seekers’ cases would be processed expeditiously. Officials in the United States are planning to initially use the MPP program primarily for single adult asylum seekers, who account for the majority of illegal border crossings, according to one official. Mexico is willing to accept asylum seekers from Spanish-speaking countries, as with the previous version of the program, but migrants from “all western hemisphere nations” will be eligible for return, one administration official said.
[…]
U.S. officials said asylum seekers returned to Mexico would not be housed in border camps and provided shelters away from dangerous border areas. The Mexican government will transport them back to the border for U.S. court hearings and provide security, the officials said.
The role of international organizations such as the United Nations in facilitating transportation and security for the asylum seekers remained unclear, and the U.S. officials did not announce new agreements.
In its statement last week, Mexico’s Foreign Ministry said it now “considers it essential to have additional resources from the United States, destined for shelters and international organizations to improve conditions for migrants and asylum seekers in a substantive way.”
Mexico has not yet publicly committed to accepting Haitians returned under MPP, a major sticking point for the Biden administration given the recent spike in Haitian migrants traveling to the border.
In its statement last week, the Mexican government raised concerns about other groups that it viewed as vulnerable: “unaccompanied minors, pregnant people, people with physical or mental illnesses, the elderly, people from the LGBT + community, unilingual indigenous people.”

Can't we just follow in the EU's footsteps and have open borders without any nonsense in between?


But that might cause the refugees to refuge!

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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:23 am

Untecna wrote:Can't we just follow in the EU's footsteps and have open borders without any nonsense in between?


That’s only within the EU, between member states.
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Postby Untecna » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:25 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Untecna wrote:Can't we just follow in the EU's footsteps and have open borders without any nonsense in between?


That’s only within the EU, between member states.

You know what I mean. Make open borders between, at least, Canada, the US, and Mexico.
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Postby Hemakral » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:25 am

Untecna wrote:Can't we just follow in the EU's footsteps and have open borders without any nonsense in between?

No, no, then bad people would get in!
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Postby Restored England » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:27 am

Untecna wrote:
Kowani wrote:Biden administration reaches deal with Mexican government to restart the Trump-era “Remain in Mexico” program


The Biden administration has reached a deal with the Mexican government to restart the Trump-era “Remain in Mexico” program that requires asylum seekers to wait outside U.S. territory while their claims are processed, U.S. officials told reporters Thursday morning. Implementation of the program, formerly known as the Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP), will begin Monday at one border location and quickly expand to San Diego and in the Texas cities of Brownsville, Laredo and El Paso, said the administration officials, who briefed reporters on condition they not be identified. The U.S. officials said they expected Mexican authorities to announce the agreement Thursday. “Mexico has demanded a number of humanitarian improvements as conditions of agreeing to accept enrollees,” said one U.S. official, including guarantees that asylum seekers will have access to legal counsel and their humanitarian claims will be processed within 180 days. “These are improvements we agree with,” the official said.

The Trump administration used the MPP program to return more than 60,000 asylum seekers across the border to Mexico, where they were often preyed upon by criminal gangs, extortionists and kidnappers. President Biden denounced MPP as inhumane and quickly ended it after taking office, but Republican officials in Texas and Missouri sued the administration in federal court and won an injunction in August forcing the government to resurrect the program.

The Biden administration will offer coronavirus vaccines to asylum seekers placed in the MPP program, the officials said. Adults will be offered the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, and eligible minors will be able to receive the two-dose Pfizer regimen. The shots would not be mandatory, and they will be provided to migrants in U.S. Border Patrol stations by an independent contractor, the officials said. The Department of Justice has assigned 22 immigration judges to oversee the MPP restart and ensure claims are processed rapidly to comply with the 180-day timeline, officials said.

Biden officials have spent the past several weeks negotiating the terms of the restart with the Mexican government, which wanted the Biden administration to provide assurances that asylum seekers’ cases would be processed expeditiously. Officials in the United States are planning to initially use the MPP program primarily for single adult asylum seekers, who account for the majority of illegal border crossings, according to one official. Mexico is willing to accept asylum seekers from Spanish-speaking countries, as with the previous version of the program, but migrants from “all western hemisphere nations” will be eligible for return, one administration official said.
[…]
U.S. officials said asylum seekers returned to Mexico would not be housed in border camps and provided shelters away from dangerous border areas. The Mexican government will transport them back to the border for U.S. court hearings and provide security, the officials said.
The role of international organizations such as the United Nations in facilitating transportation and security for the asylum seekers remained unclear, and the U.S. officials did not announce new agreements.
In its statement last week, Mexico’s Foreign Ministry said it now “considers it essential to have additional resources from the United States, destined for shelters and international organizations to improve conditions for migrants and asylum seekers in a substantive way.”
Mexico has not yet publicly committed to accepting Haitians returned under MPP, a major sticking point for the Biden administration given the recent spike in Haitian migrants traveling to the border.
In its statement last week, the Mexican government raised concerns about other groups that it viewed as vulnerable: “unaccompanied minors, pregnant people, people with physical or mental illnesses, the elderly, people from the LGBT + community, unilingual indigenous people.”

Can't we just follow in the EU's footsteps and have open borders without any nonsense in between?


Most Americans don’t like the idea of open borders. Ironically, the further that Americans are from the border, the more the idea of open borders terrifies them. All a leftist American politician would have to say to win millions of crossover votes from the Right is “I oppose open borders.” And the more leftist the populist politician who says it is on bread and butter issues, the closer to the political sweet spot of popularity they will be.
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Postby Untecna » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:27 am

Hemakral wrote:
Untecna wrote:Can't we just follow in the EU's footsteps and have open borders without any nonsense in between?

No, no, then bad people would get in!

Closing borders to prevent people from coming in is about as effective as banning guns because someone murdered someone with a gun. People will still defy that law.
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Postby GENSOC » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:29 am

Kowani wrote:Biden administration reaches deal with Mexican government to restart the Trump-era “Remain in Mexico” program


The Biden administration has reached a deal with the Mexican government to restart the Trump-era “Remain in Mexico” program that requires asylum seekers to wait outside U.S. territory while their claims are processed, U.S. officials told reporters Thursday morning. Implementation of the program, formerly known as the Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP), will begin Monday at one border location and quickly expand to San Diego and in the Texas cities of Brownsville, Laredo and El Paso, said the administration officials, who briefed reporters on condition they not be identified. The U.S. officials said they expected Mexican authorities to announce the agreement Thursday. “Mexico has demanded a number of humanitarian improvements as conditions of agreeing to accept enrollees,” said one U.S. official, including guarantees that asylum seekers will have access to legal counsel and their humanitarian claims will be processed within 180 days. “These are improvements we agree with,” the official said.

The Trump administration used the MPP program to return more than 60,000 asylum seekers across the border to Mexico, where they were often preyed upon by criminal gangs, extortionists and kidnappers. President Biden denounced MPP as inhumane and quickly ended it after taking office, but Republican officials in Texas and Missouri sued the administration in federal court and won an injunction in August forcing the government to resurrect the program.

The Biden administration will offer coronavirus vaccines to asylum seekers placed in the MPP program, the officials said. Adults will be offered the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, and eligible minors will be able to receive the two-dose Pfizer regimen. The shots would not be mandatory, and they will be provided to migrants in U.S. Border Patrol stations by an independent contractor, the officials said. The Department of Justice has assigned 22 immigration judges to oversee the MPP restart and ensure claims are processed rapidly to comply with the 180-day timeline, officials said.

Biden officials have spent the past several weeks negotiating the terms of the restart with the Mexican government, which wanted the Biden administration to provide assurances that asylum seekers’ cases would be processed expeditiously. Officials in the United States are planning to initially use the MPP program primarily for single adult asylum seekers, who account for the majority of illegal border crossings, according to one official. Mexico is willing to accept asylum seekers from Spanish-speaking countries, as with the previous version of the program, but migrants from “all western hemisphere nations” will be eligible for return, one administration official said.
[…]
U.S. officials said asylum seekers returned to Mexico would not be housed in border camps and provided shelters away from dangerous border areas. The Mexican government will transport them back to the border for U.S. court hearings and provide security, the officials said.
The role of international organizations such as the United Nations in facilitating transportation and security for the asylum seekers remained unclear, and the U.S. officials did not announce new agreements.
In its statement last week, Mexico’s Foreign Ministry said it now “considers it essential to have additional resources from the United States, destined for shelters and international organizations to improve conditions for migrants and asylum seekers in a substantive way.”
Mexico has not yet publicly committed to accepting Haitians returned under MPP, a major sticking point for the Biden administration given the recent spike in Haitian migrants traveling to the border.
In its statement last week, the Mexican government raised concerns about other groups that it viewed as vulnerable: “unaccompanied minors, pregnant people, people with physical or mental illnesses, the elderly, people from the LGBT + community, unilingual indigenous people.”

Amazing. Cannot wait to hear the blue checkmark Dems on twitter try and justify this.
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Postby Restored England » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:33 am

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Kowani wrote:Biden administration reaches deal with Mexican government to restart the Trump-era “Remain in Mexico” program


The Biden administration has reached a deal with the Mexican government to restart the Trump-era “Remain in Mexico” program that requires asylum seekers to wait outside U.S. territory while their claims are processed, U.S. officials told reporters Thursday morning. Implementation of the program, formerly known as the Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP), will begin Monday at one border location and quickly expand to San Diego and in the Texas cities of Brownsville, Laredo and El Paso, said the administration officials, who briefed reporters on condition they not be identified. The U.S. officials said they expected Mexican authorities to announce the agreement Thursday. “Mexico has demanded a number of humanitarian improvements as conditions of agreeing to accept enrollees,” said one U.S. official, including guarantees that asylum seekers will have access to legal counsel and their humanitarian claims will be processed within 180 days. “These are improvements we agree with,” the official said.

The Trump administration used the MPP program to return more than 60,000 asylum seekers across the border to Mexico, where they were often preyed upon by criminal gangs, extortionists and kidnappers. President Biden denounced MPP as inhumane and quickly ended it after taking office, but Republican officials in Texas and Missouri sued the administration in federal court and won an injunction in August forcing the government to resurrect the program.

The Biden administration will offer coronavirus vaccines to asylum seekers placed in the MPP program, the officials said. Adults will be offered the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, and eligible minors will be able to receive the two-dose Pfizer regimen. The shots would not be mandatory, and they will be provided to migrants in U.S. Border Patrol stations by an independent contractor, the officials said. The Department of Justice has assigned 22 immigration judges to oversee the MPP restart and ensure claims are processed rapidly to comply with the 180-day timeline, officials said.

Biden officials have spent the past several weeks negotiating the terms of the restart with the Mexican government, which wanted the Biden administration to provide assurances that asylum seekers’ cases would be processed expeditiously. Officials in the United States are planning to initially use the MPP program primarily for single adult asylum seekers, who account for the majority of illegal border crossings, according to one official. Mexico is willing to accept asylum seekers from Spanish-speaking countries, as with the previous version of the program, but migrants from “all western hemisphere nations” will be eligible for return, one administration official said.
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U.S. officials said asylum seekers returned to Mexico would not be housed in border camps and provided shelters away from dangerous border areas. The Mexican government will transport them back to the border for U.S. court hearings and provide security, the officials said.
The role of international organizations such as the United Nations in facilitating transportation and security for the asylum seekers remained unclear, and the U.S. officials did not announce new agreements.
In its statement last week, Mexico’s Foreign Ministry said it now “considers it essential to have additional resources from the United States, destined for shelters and international organizations to improve conditions for migrants and asylum seekers in a substantive way.”
Mexico has not yet publicly committed to accepting Haitians returned under MPP, a major sticking point for the Biden administration given the recent spike in Haitian migrants traveling to the border.
In its statement last week, the Mexican government raised concerns about other groups that it viewed as vulnerable: “unaccompanied minors, pregnant people, people with physical or mental illnesses, the elderly, people from the LGBT + community, unilingual indigenous people.”

Amazing. Cannot wait to hear the blue checkmark Dems on twitter try and justify this.


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Postby GENSOC » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:33 am

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GENSOC wrote:Amazing. Cannot wait to hear the blue checkmark Dems on twitter try and justify this.


There is something Orwellian about the ease with which Twitter Dems will change their views on a dime to fall in with the Inner Party, aka DNC.

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Restored England wrote:
There is something Orwellian about the ease with which Twitter Dems will change their views on a dime to fall in with the Inner Party, aka DNC.

Blue MAGA is a hell of a drug.


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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:35 am

Untecna wrote:
Kowani wrote:Biden administration reaches deal with Mexican government to restart the Trump-era “Remain in Mexico” program


The Biden administration has reached a deal with the Mexican government to restart the Trump-era “Remain in Mexico” program that requires asylum seekers to wait outside U.S. territory while their claims are processed, U.S. officials told reporters Thursday morning. Implementation of the program, formerly known as the Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP), will begin Monday at one border location and quickly expand to San Diego and in the Texas cities of Brownsville, Laredo and El Paso, said the administration officials, who briefed reporters on condition they not be identified. The U.S. officials said they expected Mexican authorities to announce the agreement Thursday. “Mexico has demanded a number of humanitarian improvements as conditions of agreeing to accept enrollees,” said one U.S. official, including guarantees that asylum seekers will have access to legal counsel and their humanitarian claims will be processed within 180 days. “These are improvements we agree with,” the official said.

The Trump administration used the MPP program to return more than 60,000 asylum seekers across the border to Mexico, where they were often preyed upon by criminal gangs, extortionists and kidnappers. President Biden denounced MPP as inhumane and quickly ended it after taking office, but Republican officials in Texas and Missouri sued the administration in federal court and won an injunction in August forcing the government to resurrect the program.

The Biden administration will offer coronavirus vaccines to asylum seekers placed in the MPP program, the officials said. Adults will be offered the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, and eligible minors will be able to receive the two-dose Pfizer regimen. The shots would not be mandatory, and they will be provided to migrants in U.S. Border Patrol stations by an independent contractor, the officials said. The Department of Justice has assigned 22 immigration judges to oversee the MPP restart and ensure claims are processed rapidly to comply with the 180-day timeline, officials said.

Biden officials have spent the past several weeks negotiating the terms of the restart with the Mexican government, which wanted the Biden administration to provide assurances that asylum seekers’ cases would be processed expeditiously. Officials in the United States are planning to initially use the MPP program primarily for single adult asylum seekers, who account for the majority of illegal border crossings, according to one official. Mexico is willing to accept asylum seekers from Spanish-speaking countries, as with the previous version of the program, but migrants from “all western hemisphere nations” will be eligible for return, one administration official said.
[…]
U.S. officials said asylum seekers returned to Mexico would not be housed in border camps and provided shelters away from dangerous border areas. The Mexican government will transport them back to the border for U.S. court hearings and provide security, the officials said.
The role of international organizations such as the United Nations in facilitating transportation and security for the asylum seekers remained unclear, and the U.S. officials did not announce new agreements.
In its statement last week, Mexico’s Foreign Ministry said it now “considers it essential to have additional resources from the United States, destined for shelters and international organizations to improve conditions for migrants and asylum seekers in a substantive way.”
Mexico has not yet publicly committed to accepting Haitians returned under MPP, a major sticking point for the Biden administration given the recent spike in Haitian migrants traveling to the border.
In its statement last week, the Mexican government raised concerns about other groups that it viewed as vulnerable: “unaccompanied minors, pregnant people, people with physical or mental illnesses, the elderly, people from the LGBT + community, unilingual indigenous people.”

Can't we just follow in the EU's footsteps and have open borders without any nonsense in between?


It would be nice but our border security wouldn’t be able to handle it.
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Postby Untecna » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:37 am

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Untecna wrote:Can't we just follow in the EU's footsteps and have open borders without any nonsense in between?


It would be nice but our border security wouldn’t be able to handle it.

EU doesn't do border security with their Schengen Area borders. That's what I meant.
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:38 am

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Salus Maior wrote:
That’s only within the EU, between member states.

You know what I mean. Make open borders between, at least, Canada, the US, and Mexico.


Maybe when Mexico gets its cartel problem sorted.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:39 am

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The Jamesian Republic wrote:
It would be nice but our border security wouldn’t be able to handle it.

EU doesn't do border security with their Schengen Area borders. That's what I meant.


Oh, never mind then.
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:41 am

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Hemakral wrote:No, no, then bad people would get in!

Closing borders to prevent people from coming in is about as effective as banning guns because someone murdered someone with a gun. People will still defy that law.


I mean, gun control is effective in a lot of places.

Also, just because some people successfully defy the law doesn’t mean that the law should be suspended.
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