American Politics VIII: Dancin' with Manchin

[Arlenton]

What would be the case that brings about this? I don't see any states attempting, or any signs that any want to ban interracial marriage. Nor do I see a visible portion of the population advocating to do so, let alone a portion with significant leverage in politics like what the pro-life movement has. Loving and Roe are not comparable in this sense.

Both are based on the same Constitutional right to privacy, as are Griswold (contraception) and Obergefell (same-sex marriage). If the US government must remain neutral with respect to state enactments criminalizing abortion as the putative Supremes' majority reasons why must it not remain neutral with respect to state enactments criminalizing contraception or marriage between people of the same gender or different races? And I wouldn't be so damn certain that Mississippi wouldn't move to criminalize any of that.

I don't think Mississippi or any state would criminalize interracial marriage. I see no demand for it.

Criminalizing gay marriage? Sure. That is possible.

[The Jamesian Republic]

The demise of the Republican Party is the first step toward a much fairer nation and a better economic system. The contest then will be between the moderate and progressive wings of the current Democratic Party. Rinse and repeat.

I know many persons like myself who strongly disagree and support the Republicans over the Democrats.

I strongly disagree because you cannot preserve democracy and have only one political party. Just because the republicans don’t always have the best track record and even the democrats too doesn’t mean we should ban them. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

[San Lumen]

Both are based on the same Constitutional right to privacy, as are Griswold (contraception) and Obergefell (same-sex marriage). If the US government must remain neutral with respect to state enactments criminalizing abortion as the putative Supremes' majority reasons why must it not remain neutral with respect to state enactments criminalizing contraception or marriage between people of the same gender or different races? And I wouldn't be so damn certain that Mississippi wouldn't move to criminalize any of that.

I don't think Mississippi or any state would criminalize interracial marriage. I see no demand for it.

Criminalizing gay marriage? Sure. That is possible.

On what grounds? The 14th amendment applies to all not some.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

That's why I never get the "Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line" thing.
I can count the number of people I know that actually like the dems on one hand. It's just that, well, they're a bit less shit than the alternatives.

Republicans have and continue to deliver on what I want them to do, and they do so ruthlessly. So I can say I am pretty happy with my political party.

I have yet to see a Democrat say the same.

Great post.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

I know many persons like myself who strongly disagree and support the Republicans over the Democrats.

I strongly disagree because you cannot preserve democracy and have only one political party. Just because the republicans don’t always have the best track record and even the democrats too doesn’t mean we should ban them. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

I did not say this in reverse.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Republicans have and continue to deliver on what I want them to do, and they do so ruthlessly. So I can say I am pretty happy with my political party.

I have yet to see a Democrat say the same.

Great post.

If I was a democratic candidate here is some of what I would fight tooth and nail for:
Bismarck Model Universal Healthcare
Universal Education and universal private school vouchers along with school choice
Maternity and Paternity Leave
Financial Security
Minimum Wage adjusted with inflation
Voting Rights
Gun Rights
Electoral Process Reform

[The Jamesian Republic]

I strongly disagree because you cannot preserve democracy and have only one political party. Just because the republicans don’t always have the best track record and even the democrats too doesn’t mean we should ban them. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

I did not say this in reverse.

I meant to say I’m opposed to banning the Republican Party because then that strips away democracy from our country.

[Comerciante]

Great post.

If I was a democratic candidate here is some of what I would fight tooth and nail for:
Bismarck Model Universal Healthcare
Universal Education and universal private school vouchers along with school choice
Maternity and Paternity Leave
Financial Security
Minimum Wage adjusted with inflation
Voting Rights
Gun Rights
Electoral Process Reform

As the Republican nomination, I would have but a few words to say...

"BETTER DEAD THAN RED!"

[The Jamesian Republic]

If I was a democratic candidate here is some of what I would fight tooth and nail for:
Bismarck Model Universal Healthcare
Universal Education and universal private school vouchers along with school choice
Maternity and Paternity Leave
Financial Security
Minimum Wage adjusted with inflation
Voting Rights
Gun Rights
Electoral Process Reform

As the Republican nomination, I would have but a few words to say...

"BETTER DEAD THAN RED!"

As the Democratic Nomination I say “FREEDOM”

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Great post.

If I was a democratic candidate here is some of what I would fight tooth and nail for:
Bismarck Model Universal Healthcare
Universal Education and universal private school vouchers along with school choice
Maternity and Paternity Leave
Financial Security
Minimum Wage adjusted with inflation
Voting Rights
Gun Rights
Electoral Process Reform

Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Laborites, Democrat Socialists, Socialists, Communists and whatevers all want the same things, but we strongly disagree on the details.

[Salus Maior]

If I was a democratic candidate here is some of what I would fight tooth and nail for:
Bismarck Model Universal Healthcare
Universal Education and universal private school vouchers along with school choice
Maternity and Paternity Leave
Financial Security
Minimum Wage adjusted with inflation
Voting Rights
Gun Rights
Electoral Process Reform

As the Republican nomination, I would have but a few words to say...

"BETTER DEAD THAN RED!"

Lol No one with any kind of power in America is anywhere near ‘Red’. So rest easy, Cold War is over.

[Arlenton]

I don't think Mississippi or any state would criminalize interracial marriage. I see no demand for it.

Criminalizing gay marriage? Sure. That is possible.

On what grounds? The 14th amendment applies to all not some.

On the same grounds that the 14th protects the right to an abortion. Oh wait...

[San Lumen]

On what grounds? The 14th amendment applies to all not some.

On the same grounds that the 14th protects the right to an abortion. Oh wait...

How? The 14th amendment is about equal protection under the law.

[Comerciante]

As the Republican nomination, I would have but a few words to say...

"BETTER DEAD THAN RED!"

Lol No one with any kind of power in America is anywhere near ‘Red’. So rest easy, Cold War is over.

I don't need to be in touch with reality to win, I just need to keep pointing to my enemy as being a communist for implying an increase in government spending and rely on the ignorance of my voter base to do nothing short of a surface level research to buy it.

Universal Healthcare? Government gotta pay for it, which means more taxes!
Universal Education? Government gotta pay for it, which means more taxes!
Maternity and Paternity Leave? I'm sorry I thought this was AMERICA! why are we trying to destroy small businesses?
Financial Security? Sounds a lot like Federal Tyranny to me!

Am I missing the benefits that these institutions would provide in exchange? Maybe. My constituents won't give a fuck.

[Arlenton]

On the same grounds that the 14th protects the right to an abortion. Oh wait...

How? The 14th amendment is about equal protection under the law.

How I don't know. But I have no doubt a conservative majority on the Supreme Court could come up with some reasoning if they wanted to do so.

[San Lumen]

How? The 14th amendment is about equal protection under the law.

How I don't know. But I have no doubt a conservative majority on the Supreme Court could come up with some reasoning if they wanted to do so.

Such as? You can’t claim the 14th amendment doesn’t apply to every person.

[Cannot think of a name]

I did not say this in reverse.

I meant to say I’m opposed to banning the Republican Party because then that strips away democracy from our country.

Well, the Democratic Party can go mask off and back to being essentially the Republican Party and a new party can fill the void to the left of that and it would just be like when the Whigs disappeared and the Republicans appeared. We're just shuffling hats but overtly rejecting coo coo bananas people that are only voted for because they're the ones addressing your pet issue.

But if Trump didn't cause the Republican party to implode then they're not going anywhere. We're just a nation with coo coo bananas in our cereal and the least unified, least organized side of the electorate has to figure a way to plug the dam while simultaneously invent a new water management system by arguing amongst themselves apparently.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Lol No one with any kind of power in America is anywhere near ‘Red’. So rest easy, Cold War is over.

I don't need to be in touch with reality to win, I just need to keep pointing to my enemy as being a communist for implying an increase in government spending and rely on the ignorance of my voter base to do nothing short of a surface level research to buy it.

Universal Healthcare? Government gotta pay for it, which means more taxes!
Universal Education? Government gotta pay for it, which means more taxes!
Maternity and Paternity Leave? I'm sorry I thought this was AMERICA! why are we trying to destroy small businesses?
Financial Security? Sounds a lot like Federal Tyranny to me!

Am I missing the benefits that these institutions would provide in exchange? Maybe. My constituents won't give a fuck.

I can do the same but I can give my ideas a patriotic rebranding. For example: “All Americans should be given a good education to defend the principles of liberty and freedom” or “Patriotic Americans help find their neighbors health care.” or “A healthy populace can protect our nation from people who want to take our freedom.”

[The Jamesian Republic]

I meant to say I’m opposed to banning the Republican Party because then that strips away democracy from our country.

Well, the Democratic Party can go mask off and back to being essentially the Republican Party and a new party can fill the void to the left of that and it would just be like when the Whigs disappeared and the Republicans appeared. We're just shuffling hats but overtly rejecting coo coo bananas people that are only voted for because they're the ones addressing your pet issue.

But if Trump didn't cause the Republican party to implode then they're not going anywhere. We're just a nation with coo coo bananas in our cereal and the least unified, least organized side of the electorate has to figure a way to plug the dam while simultaneously invent a new water management system by arguing amongst themselves apparently.

So this like a political lifecycle or is it like how a phoenix is reborn from its ashes? The old party dies and a new one takes its place and the other party reverts to as it was until it runs through the cycle

[Hemakral]

How I don't know. But I have no doubt a conservative majority on the Supreme Court could come up with some reasoning if they wanted to do so.

Such as? You can’t claim the 14th amendment doesn’t apply to every person.

It doesn't matter how valid your disagreements are, the Court could still invalidate the amendment.

[Comerciante]

I don't need to be in touch with reality to win, I just need to keep pointing to my enemy as being a communist for implying an increase in government spending and rely on the ignorance of my voter base to do nothing short of a surface level research to buy it.

Universal Healthcare? Government gotta pay for it, which means more taxes!
Universal Education? Government gotta pay for it, which means more taxes!
Maternity and Paternity Leave? I'm sorry I thought this was AMERICA! why are we trying to destroy small businesses?
Financial Security? Sounds a lot like Federal Tyranny to me!

Am I missing the benefits that these institutions would provide in exchange? Maybe. My constituents won't give a fuck.

I can do the same but I can give my ideas a patriotic rebranding. For example: “All Americans should be given a good education to defend the principles of liberty and freedom” or “Patriotic Americans help find their neighbors health care.” or “A healthy populace can protect our nation from people who want to take our freedom.”

Well you see that's the thing, American's already had all of these things. They had access to Universal Healthcare and Education.

But we gave them up because they came into close relations with our premier enemy the USSR and we bought the hyper-capitalist narrative that these things are closely related to Communism, you can't remove that stigma without a campaign of rebranding that won't be resolved in a single lifetime.

Heck, it's likely several lifetimes before you convince a public so enamored with being temporarily embarrassed millionaires instead of a struggling middle class that those things are one and the same..

[Arlenton]

How I don't know. But I have no doubt a conservative majority on the Supreme Court could come up with some reasoning if they wanted to do so.

Such as? You can’t claim the 14th amendment doesn’t apply to every person.

Ok fine. They could say that same sex marriage can be made illegal in states because it applies to straight people as well. Neither gay or straight people can marry someone of the same sex.

[American Legionaries]

How I don't know. But I have no doubt a conservative majority on the Supreme Court could come up with some reasoning if they wanted to do so.

Such as? You can’t claim the 14th amendment doesn’t apply to every person.

People pass laws that give privileges or enforce restrictions to some people and not everyone.

[The Jamesian Republic]

I can do the same but I can give my ideas a patriotic rebranding. For example: “All Americans should be given a good education to defend the principles of liberty and freedom” or “Patriotic Americans help find their neighbors health care.” or “A healthy populace can protect our nation from people who want to take our freedom.”

Well you see that's the thing, American's already had all of these things. They had access to Universal Healthcare and Education.

But we gave them up because they came into close relations with our premier enemy the USSR and we bought the hyper-capitalist narrative that these things are closely related to Communism, you can't remove that stigma without a campaign of rebranding that won't be resolved in a single lifetime.

Heck, it's likely several lifetimes before you convince a public so enamored with being temporarily embarrassed millionaires instead of a struggling middle class that those things are one and the same..

So we just have to wait until say 2048 then we can resell those ideas.

[San Lumen]

Such as? You can’t claim the 14th amendment doesn’t apply to every person.

Ok fine. They could say that same sex marriage can be made illegal in states because it applies to straight people as well. Neither gay or straight people can marry someone of the same sex.

That’s a stupid argument. Why would a heterosexual person marry someone of the same sex?