American Politics VIII: Dancin' with Manchin

[Maricarland]

You just claimed a few posts ago that it has been put in practice, and its results justify it being an insult in your view.

people claimed the deformed regimes sprouting up across the third world and elsewhere to be communism, and they're right -- those are communist regimes, in practice

hopelessly authoritarian, nightmarishly brutal on everyone who strays out of line, crass in its use of human potential, and heedlessly wasteful and inefficient economically, even as the merely ambulatory pursued maximal production

You just described capitalism.

[Salus Maior]

you can't be serious

Name for me a single stateless, moneyless, classless society where private ownership over the means of production and society's resource was completely abolished.

Yeah, a complete fantasy never happened. Ya got us.

That being said, parties which intended that to happen have been in power. And we can judge them for their failures and excesses.

[New haven america]

You just claimed a few posts ago that it has been put in practice, and its results justify it being an insult in your view.

people claimed the deformed regimes sprouting up across the third world and elsewhere to be communism, and they're right -- those are communist regimes, in practice

hopelessly authoritarian, nightmarishly brutal on everyone who strays out of line, crass in its use of human potential if that potential was merely of the ordinary sort, and heedlessly wasteful and inefficient economically, even as the merely ambulatory pursued maximal production

Yes, that's called capitalism.

[Salus Maior]

people claimed the deformed regimes sprouting up across the third world and elsewhere to be communism, and they're right -- those are communist regimes, in practice

hopelessly authoritarian, nightmarishly brutal on everyone who strays out of line, crass in its use of human potential if that potential was merely of the ordinary sort, and heedlessly wasteful and inefficient economically, even as the merely ambulatory pursued maximal production

Yes, that's called capitalism.

TIL the Soviet Union was Capitalist.

[The Alma Mater]

Name for me a single stateless, moneyless, classless society where private ownership over the means of production and society's resource was completely abolished.

Yeah, a complete fantasy never happened. Ya got us.

That being said, parties which intended that to happen have been in power. And we can judge them for their failures and excesses.

Good. Keep that energy when tallking about religions.

[New haven america]

Name for me a single stateless, moneyless, classless society where private ownership over the means of production and society's resource was completely abolished.

Yeah, a complete fantasy never happened. Ya got us.

That being said, parties which intended that to happen have been in power. And we can judge them for their failures and excesses.

For one as religious as yourself it's not smart to practice projectile minerology in glass living spaces.

[Dreria]

Yeah, a complete fantasy never happened. Ya got us.

That being said, parties which intended that to happen have been in power. And we can judge them for their failures and excesses.

For one as religious as yourself it's not smart to practice projectile minerology in glass living spaces.

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[Diahon]

people claimed the deformed regimes sprouting up across the third world and elsewhere to be communism, and they're right -- those are communist regimes, in practice

hopelessly authoritarian, nightmarishly brutal on everyone who strays out of line, crass in its use of human potential if that potential was merely of the ordinary sort, and heedlessly wasteful and inefficient economically, even as the merely ambulatory pursued maximal production

Yes, that's called capitalism.

democracy and capitalism can and have coexisted in relative harmony

democracy and communism have not

[Maricarland]

Yes, that's called capitalism.

democracy and capitalism can and have coexisted in relative harmony

democracy and communism have not

Capitalism is the opposite of democracy. It is literally about making mini-dictators over the workplaces, over the means of production, over the land, etc...

[Celritannia]

Because the Southern ideology is now part of the Republican Party.

Prior to the 1930s, the Republican party was for the urban workers, and the democrats were for the rural elite.

However, that changed over the course of several decades, until we have had somewhat of an ideological swap between the 2 parties.

This is also why the Republican Party colour is red and the Democrats are blue.

Uh, none of that is true.

The only thing I was mistaken about and corrected on was the party colour.

Other than that, everything is simplified but correct.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

so, overwhelmingly republican county, how much more republican do you want it? rub out the democrat contingent? offer them up to the shrine of the all-eating trump? what?

What? It's the Republican primary.

[The Alma Mater]

Yes, that's called capitalism.

democracy and capitalism can and have coexisted in relative harmony

Where and when ?

[Diahon]

democracy and capitalism can and have coexisted in relative harmony

Where and when ?

*points to certain places in europe*

[Diahon]

democracy and capitalism can and have coexisted in relative harmony

democracy and communism have not

Capitalism is the opposite of democracy. It is literally about making mini-dictators over the workplaces, over the means of production, over the land, etc...

and then government steps in and ameliorates, so that mere maximal productivity isn't the raison d'etre of corporations, certain standards of workplace safety, fair compensation, worker representation, and so on are met, et cetera

hence, relative harmony

[The Alma Mater]

Where and when ?

*points to certain places in europe*

Slightly more specific please

[Diahon]

*points to certain places in europe*

Slightly more specific please

them scandinavian welfare states seem to have struck out a balance between private enterprise and social welfare, at least from my distracted view

[New haven america]

Where and when ?

*points to certain places in europe*

To pull out Poe's Law...

It worked great for Hitler! His party got democratically elected and he modernized the nation through capitalist means with nothing bad happening at all.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Though there might actually an emerging party switch of sorts, where the Democrats are becoming the party of the 'aristocratic' interest and the Republicans the party of the 'populist' interest, an actual reverse of their historic positions.

Thank you for your even-handed, impartial, and realistic analysis, Mr. Rubio

What?

[Diahon]

*points to certain places in europe*

To pull out Poe's Law...

It worked great for Hitler! His party got democratically elected and he modernized the nation through capitalist means with nothing bad happening at all.

i think we'd both agree that interwar europe wasn't a peninsula of peace

[Pasong Tirad]

To pull out Poe's Law...

It worked great for Hitler! His party got democratically elected and he modernized the nation through capitalist means with nothing bad happening at all.

i think we'd both agree that interwar europe wasn't a peninsula of peace

The point, which flew over your head, is that those "certain places in Europe" got to where they are today not through the imaginary "relative harmony" between democracy and capitalism. Neither has America, to bring it back on the topic of American politics.

[Union of Socialist Council-Republics]

Yes, that's called capitalism.

TIL the Soviet Union was Capitalist.

It's always good to learn new things.

democracy and capitalism can and have coexisted in relative harmony

The French Revolution is of course well-known for being peaceful and harmonious in its establishment of a democratic political system and capitalist economy.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

My respects to Republican Senator Bob Dole of Kansas and his family, you are a Trump supporter.

GMS.

[Diahon]

i think we'd both agree that interwar europe wasn't a peninsula of peace

The point, which flew over your head, is that those "certain places in Europe" got to where they are today not through the imaginary "relative harmony" between democracy and capitalism. Neither has America, to bring it back on the topic of American politics.

my point was that relative harmony was achieved for a time, not that it was necessarily enduring (at least, not without a superstructure of extensive social welfare for the masses at the absolute minimum)

[Nationalist Northumbria]

My respects to Republican Senator Bob Dole of Kansas and his family, you are a Trump supporter.

GMS.

You're paying your respects - a few days late - because he was a Trump supporter?

[Pasong Tirad]

The point, which flew over your head, is that those "certain places in Europe" got to where they are today not through the imaginary "relative harmony" between democracy and capitalism. Neither has America, to bring it back on the topic of American politics.

my point was that relative harmony was achieved for a time, not that it was necessarily enduring (at least, not without a superstructure of extensive social welfare for the masses at the absolute minimum)

You still have not been able to provide a concrete example of where and when this "relative harmony" between capitalism and "democracy" ever took place, other than writing down a vague handwave towards Europe.