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Postby Shrillland » Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:37 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
How so?

He violated the 29th Amendment severely


How? That amendment gives the federal government the right to regulate food, drugs, and agriculture, I don't see how this applies.
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Postby Diahon » Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:41 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:He violated the 29th Amendment severely


How? That amendment gives the federal government the right to regulate food, drugs, and agriculture, I don't see how this applies.

either he cited the wrong amendment, or he's trolling you

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Postby Shrillland » Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:48 pm

Diahon wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
How? That amendment gives the federal government the right to regulate food, drugs, and agriculture, I don't see how this applies.

either he cited the wrong amendment, or he's trolling you


I know, so I gave a suitable response. The 29th Amendment really does do that....in Germany. :D
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:03 pm

Diahon wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
How? That amendment gives the federal government the right to regulate food, drugs, and agriculture, I don't see how this applies.

either he cited the wrong amendment, or he's trolling you

Bro are you TROLLNAMING me

I am going to rage quit NSG forever and it is all your fault because you tr*llnamed me and you are my new rival
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Postby Untecna » Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:06 pm

Diahon wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
How? That amendment gives the federal government the right to regulate food, drugs, and agriculture, I don't see how this applies.

either he cited the wrong amendment, or he's trolling you

No, he's shitposting.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:07 pm

Untecna wrote:
Diahon wrote:either he cited the wrong amendment, or he's trolling you

No, he's shitposting.


He is playing the role of “patriot”

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Postby Untecna » Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:08 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Untecna wrote:No, he's shitposting.


He is playing the role of “patriot”

LARP!
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Hemakral wrote:damn bro that wall so thick kool-aid man couldn't bust through

[violet] wrote:Maybe we could power our new search engine from the sexual tension between you two.

Hispida wrote:"dude, you nuked us off the map"

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Postby Great Algerstonia » Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:08 pm

Untecna wrote:
Diahon wrote:either he cited the wrong amendment, or he's trolling you

No, he's shitposting.

Can you believe that Diahon trollnamed me I am literally crying right now
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:10 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
Untecna wrote:No, he's shitposting.

Can you believe that Diahon trollnamed me I am literally crying right now


Cope.

You called me a communist now you got call troll named. We are even.

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Postby Maricarland » Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:13 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:Can you believe that Diahon trollnamed me I am literally crying right now


Cope.

You called me a communist now you got call troll named. We are even.


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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:15 pm

Maricarland wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Cope.

You called me a communist now you got call troll named. We are even.


While communist may be a mischaracterization, it is not an insult.


That’s true. I’m following my own ideology I call it Jamesism. It is named after me. My last name is James

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Postby Untecna » Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:19 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Maricarland wrote:
While communist may be a mischaracterization, it is not an insult.


That’s true. I’m following my own ideology I call it Jamesism. It is named after me. My last name is James

Explain.
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TL;DR: I'm a democratic socialist. Surprise Surprise, I don't support genocide or violence.

Go 49rs

Untecna wrote:No, and you can talk to my dragon lawyers if you dragon want me to dragon shut up.

Hemakral wrote:damn bro that wall so thick kool-aid man couldn't bust through

[violet] wrote:Maybe we could power our new search engine from the sexual tension between you two.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:21 pm

Untecna wrote:
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That’s true. I’m following my own ideology I call it Jamesism. It is named after me. My last name is James

Explain.


It is a center left ideology. It’s basic tenements are freedom democracy equality before the law peace level business playing field patriotism.

Here’s the full post detailing it:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=511822&p=39190483#p39190483
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Postby Diahon » Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:39 pm

Maricarland wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Cope.

You called me a communist now you got call troll named. We are even.


While communist may be a mischaracterization, it is not an insult.

given its track record in practice, it is

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Postby Maricarland » Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:49 pm

Diahon wrote:
Maricarland wrote:
While communist may be a mischaracterization, it is not an insult.

given its track record in practice, it is


Communism has never been put into practice.
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Postby Diahon » Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:50 pm

anyway, as you guys well know, after getting banned from twitter following january 6, trump has taken to his own blog to shitpost about his stolen election, among other things

this day was yet another day of his endless trolling of decent americans (unlike him, abysmal as he is) -- but i'd like to draw attention to his part of his tirade in particular:

The Old Crow also allowed a breaking up of the filibuster, which allows the Democrats now to establish precedent for changing the number of Justices on the Supreme Court and, perhaps most importantly of all, a so-called Voting Rights Bill, which will make it almost impossible for Republicans to get elected in the future.


"the old crow", by the way, is mitch mcconnell

setting aside my own personal thoughts about putting even more perfidious trumpsters in power, and the fact that in the abovequoted as well as elsewhere, he's upset mitch apparently won't destroy the united states on trump's behalf, which "so-called voting rights bill" is he talking about?

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Postby Diahon » Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:51 pm

Maricarland wrote:
Diahon wrote:given its track record in practice, it is


Communism has never been put into practice.

you can't be serious

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:52 pm

Diahon wrote:
Maricarland wrote:
Communism has never been put into practice.

you can't be serious


In the way it was originally envisioned he is right. True communism doesn’t work.

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Postby Maricarland » Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:52 pm

Diahon wrote:
Maricarland wrote:
Communism has never been put into practice.

you can't be serious


Name for me a single stateless, moneyless, classless society where private ownership over the means of production and society's resource was completely abolished.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:53 pm

Maricarland wrote:
Diahon wrote:given its track record in practice, it is


Communism has never been put into practice.

And it never will. It is impossible and requires all humans to be good, which is impossible.
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Postby Diahon » Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:58 pm

Maricarland wrote:
Diahon wrote:you can't be serious


Name for me a single stateless, moneyless, classless society where private ownership over the means of production and society's resource was completely abolished.

and that's the reason why it will never be put into practice -- not even human opposition, but human nature

mandating that all of humanity act on strict standards of selfless behavior all the time is simply not achievable, never mind sustainable, even setting aside whether or not such a society would be good to have to begin with
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Postby Maricarland » Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:00 pm

Diahon wrote:
Maricarland wrote:
Name for me a single stateless, moneyless, classless society where private ownership over the means of production and society's resource was completely abolished.

and that's the reason why it will never be put into practice -- not even human opposition, but human nature


You just claimed a few posts ago that it has been put in practice, and its results justify it being an insult in your view.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:01 pm

Diahon wrote:
Maricarland wrote:
Name for me a single stateless, moneyless, classless society where private ownership over the means of production and society's resource was completely abolished.

and that's the reason why it will never be put into practice -- not even human opposition, but human nature


I don’t think any communist party in the world advocated pure communism. The only country in Europe to elect one into power was Moldova and they were more conservative on social issues.

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Postby Maricarland » Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:02 pm

Diahon wrote:
Maricarland wrote:
Name for me a single stateless, moneyless, classless society where private ownership over the means of production and society's resource was completely abolished.

and that's the reason why it will never be put into practice -- not even human opposition, but human nature

mandating that all of humanity act on strict standards of selfless behavior all the time is simply not achievable, never mind sustainable, even setting aside whether or not such a society would be good to have to begin with


Human nature is neither good nor evil, it is neutral and it is adaptable. Capitalism teaches and rewards selfishness, greed, competitive behavior, status-seeking behavior, etc... and punishes deviance from that behavior, so humans living under capitalism adapt to behave that way leading to the perception that human nature is selfish, greedy, competitive, etc... when it isn't, it has been molded to be that way.
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Postby Diahon » Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:05 pm

Maricarland wrote:
Diahon wrote:and that's the reason why it will never be put into practice -- not even human opposition, but human nature


You just claimed a few posts ago that it has been put in practice, and its results justify it being an insult in your view.

people claimed the deformed regimes sprouting up across the third world and elsewhere to be communism, and they're right -- those are communist regimes, in practice

hopelessly authoritarian, nightmarishly brutal on everyone who strays out of line, crass in its use of human potential if that potential was merely of the ordinary sort, and heedlessly wasteful and inefficient economically, even as the merely ambulatory pursued maximal production
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